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I was an English major. Now I work in a completwlt unrelated Computer Science field. Degrees are a joke compared to accomplishments and skills, and through my now-getting-lengthy job experience, in most cases degrees held is an afterthought to skills and experience acquired when looking through resumes for new hires. To be completely honest, we hardly ever even look beyond the letter "B".

I think at some point the question must be asked from a debt-to-payback side whether undergrad degrees are worth the insane amount of debt schools are burdening their students with, and whether our entire system of undergraduate education is even relevant any longer. If kids are spending half their life paying off student loans, something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.

What this all has to do with some jerk calling our OP a warmonger is beyond me, but that's my 2 cents.

 Desubot wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.

And that sometimes becomes PAINFULLY obvious.

Well thats news to me. Though not saying anyone without credentials are horrible teachers but with the amount money being dumped to go to college + you would figure accredited teachers would be a big deal. (There is knowing your field, and then there is the ablity to teach it yaknow?)

Oh, I totally agree there. But just from knowing how the certification training is done here and what is taught in Ed. Dev. classes, that itself doesn't produce good teachers either. My best teachers were the ones who absolutely loved their subject matter, and as a result, knew it inside out, not the ones most deeply steeped in tautological theory.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What the feth is liberal arts studies?

Its the degree you get while working at Starbucks. Once you graduate you get to work for...Starbucks.

Or you become a teacher and spend your life educating young minds and enjoying your summers at the beach or painting miniatures and laughing at people who are so delusional to think they have more "real" jobs that give them high stress levels.

1. I hate kids like the white hot heat of a thousand sons. Thats not going to happen.
2. You have to have a teaching degree and certification for that. Unless you have that your argument is incorrect.

Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.

I know. My boy is a TA (or will be in the fall). He doesn't even have a degree yet. But he's a presenter at Mathfest next week. In your face Slovenia!


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 Desubot wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.

And that sometimes becomes PAINFULLY obvious.

Well thats news to me. Though not saying anyone without credentials are horrible teachers but with the amount money being dumped to go to college + you would figure accredited teachers would be a big deal. (There is knowing your field, and then there is the ablity to teach it yaknow?)

They call them PhD's.


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 zombiekila707 wrote:
Me personally I would have said something like "But our lord and savior Khorne needs more skulls... for his skull throne!"

This.

 Desubot wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.

And that sometimes becomes PAINFULLY obvious.

Well thats news to me. Though not saying anyone without credentials are horrible teachers but with the amount money being dumped to go to college + you would figure accredited teachers would be a big deal. (There is knowing your field, and then there is the ablity to teach it yaknow?)

The problem is, and this is more true at a CC than a 4-year, that you'll have one or two "tenured" professors of a given subject. Then you'll get a crap load of the part-time "adjunct professors" who are, in theory, scratching their way up to make tenure and full-time positions.

It so happened that I had an English "professor" who tried telling the whole class that you always capitalize the word "segregation", because it was the official title of what went on in the South. This guy failed at reading comprehension, he couldn't make it to class on time, and then when we called him on it, he said, "Im not paid to be here early" Didn't understand that the syllabus was the contract between students and professor (as in, if a student complains about an assignment to the dean of that department, the dean will look at the syllabus, and if that assignment is not on there, then the professor cannot grade the assignment).

The CC that I was at, there are no "credentials" to prove you can teach a subject. The only requirement that they have is that you have a masters in the subject field you're teaching.

"I know. My boy is a TA (or will be in the fall). He doesn't even have a degree yet. But he's a presenter at Mathfest next week. In your face Slovenia!" Good for him Frazz, I hope he enjoys it.

Me too. Its something to see your kid moving forward to do something, be someone that really does make a difference in life, does have meaning. Oh crap, hold on I've got something in my eye...

GC on the other hand is going to Comic Con in SA as Harley Quinn, complete with toy bat. SWMBO wouldn't let take my suggestion and bring a real bat.

I'd say computer games glorify war and violence more. You often directly make your character kill people in various graphic ways. I grew up playing Wolfenstein in which the whole point of the game is to machine gun as many Nazis to death as you can, and it was certainly a lot of fun. Wargaming involves removing miniature models from a table top. I don't think it's anywhere nearly as stimulating to the senses from the aspect of glorifying killing in combat. I think a lot of Wargamers have a greater appreciation of the history behind their armies than the general public and know a lot more of the honourable and dishonourable things they did.

Punch him in the dick. Live up to the title he gave you.

 Frazzled wrote:


1. Your response should be..wait you're trying to insult the warmonger? "Thats not very smart" THEN
2. Employ the whippy sticks of ultimate ouchy. They will run screaming from your senseless warmongering. It what they are for.

The extremes of Frazzielogic in two easy steps.

1. Frazzie you earned your exalt from that, a true wit answer.

2. Jumping on Frazzie here, on behalf of the numerous comments in a similar vain. Even the simplest play threat against someone who would come out with gak like that 'insult' received.
however wouldn't that type of person being extremely litigious in a liberal douche way, and might they find sympathy from flesh eating lawyers of similar persuasion.

I think I am going with responses along the lines of:

"YES! A plastic sci-fi warmonger!

NO plastic sci-fi civilsation of 40k years in the future is safe from my wrath!

AND I use loaded dice.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHHA"

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Except that canard is simply not true: http://www.studentsreview.com/unemployment_by_major.php3

Math majors have higher unemployment rates than language studies majors.

People make fun of pure maths degrees as well.

You never heard the old joke -

What each of these is not like the other?
a) A PhD in Mathematical Biology
b) A PhD in Theoretical Mathematics
c) A PhD in Statistics
d) A large pizza

The answer is B, because the other three can feed a family of four.


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 Polonius wrote:
It's a specific version of a great point, which is to keep in mind that people do things for their own reasons, and they might not have the same reasons as you. Never assume that a person you are dealing with has the same motivations, assumptions, values, or priorities you have.

That is a really good thing to keep in mind.

 Orlanth wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


1. Your response should be..wait you're trying to insult the warmonger? "Thats not very smart" THEN
2. Employ the whippy sticks of ultimate ouchy. They will run screaming from your senseless warmongering. It what they are for.

The extremes of Frazzielogic in two easy steps.

1. Frazzie you earned your exalt from that, a true wit answer.

2. Jumping on Frazzie here, on behalf of the numerous comments in a similar vain. Even the simplest play threat against someone who would come out with gak like that 'insult' received.
however wouldn't that type of person being extremely litigious in a liberal douche way, and might they find sympathy from flesh eating lawyers of similar persuasion.

Thats why every prudent warmonger is friends with the owner of a nearby pig farm or wiener dog pack.

"I love people food. Not too hot. Not too cold. Just right!"
-Rodney the Shanker, sneakiest of all animals. Bastard snuck onto the table while the wife was TEN FEET AWAY and stole an entire stick of butter.

Gamingdog wrote:
The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"

If you really celebrated war, wouldn't you be shooting things instead of rolling dice?

 Skinnereal wrote:

Gamingdog wrote:
The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"

If you really celebrated war, wouldn't you be shooting things instead of rolling dice?

War doesn't always involve guns ya know.

 Desubot wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

Gamingdog wrote:
The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"

If you really celebrated war, wouldn't you be shooting things instead of rolling dice?

War doesn't always involve guns ya know.

lol, doncha know, you are only a warmonger if you play 40 k games,

fantasy has no guns, ergo is totally fine, you are just an, um, elf monger? then

 easysauce wrote:

fantasy has no guns

The entire Empire, Dwarf, and Ogre factions would like a word.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

fantasy has no guns

The entire Empire, Dwarf, and Ogre factions would like a word.

They *had* guns.
Then Kirby blew up the setting.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

fantasy has no guns

The entire Empire, Dwarf, and Ogre factions would like a word.

They *had* guns.
Then Kirby blew up the setting.

We're not speaking anymore. 8th lives forever in our hearts and gaming tables, and thanks to the ETC and Swedes(much to my surprise)

 Grey Templar wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

fantasy has no guns

The entire Empire, Dwarf, and Ogre factions would like a word.

They *had* guns.
Then Kirby blew up the setting.

We're not speaking anymore. 8th lives forever in our hearts and gaming tables, and thanks to the ETC and Swedes(much to my surprise)

I never said that was a good thing.
I miss my lizards. Now they are just demons :(
8th ed Fantasy is proper fantasy

 Grey Templar wrote:

 easysauce wrote:

fantasy has no guns

The entire Empire, Dwarf, and Ogre factions would like a word.

ok, ill admit that was a bit of a sideways jab at the new AOS stuff, sorry I know the wound is still fresh.

For what its worth, Im still missing my gorkamorka days and morheim campaigns

Gamingdog wrote:
The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"

Whomever you were speaking with is an absolute idiot.

Gamingdog wrote:
The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"

I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.

Any way I just wanted to vent a little

Why bothering with that? Just ignore it
I was insulted because of long hair, for listening pop by rockers, for listening metal by oldiers, for wearing something, for playing Sims, for "toy dolls" (40k miniatures), for not interesting in vodka football clubs phones serials movies whatever, for . But I don't care, I don't think I do something wrong.
My neighborhood is a veteran of Afghanistan (he's about 55 now) and he has a lot of stand model tanks, 1/72 game miniatures and never considered as a "playing toys".
Many people returned from army plays World of Tanks game, strikeball/airsoft, collect tanks and weapon models.
only those people, which is defective condemn others, because they are not able for anything else

ps and yes, I'm warmonger because I like killing elves with tank threads and burning mutant alien cocoroaches with flamers

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 chromedog wrote:
I also can't understand gamers who hook up with SOs that despise their hobbies ...I mean, the sex can't have been THAT good. The respect thing comes into it, and if they can't (or you can't) respect their hobbies, then that's a deal breaker anyway.

Me neither. I have heard of people "revealing" their interest in war gaming to a SO after a predesignated time so as not to scare the other person off. I can't stand that sort of self-hating behavior because it legitimizes the mindset that war gaming is an embarrassing hobby.

We should all be proud of this hobby. It is challenging and creative, but most importantly there is no reason to give someone else power over your interests. Not even for a hot piece of ass.

Most people I know don't even know what wargaming is and those who do just make fun of or insult me for it.
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I've personally given up on trying to justify it for people and just play it for my own enjoyment.

I think being "proud" of wargaming is a bit self righteous. It's a time consuming and expensive hobby centering around toy soldiers. Barring the really skilled I don't think there's any hobby to be proud of. Hobbies are distractions from real life.

Unless your hobby is like helping Orphans or charity work. Then you definitely should have be proud of that.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
What the feth is liberal arts studies?

In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.

Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!

Sadly all that "civilization" and "culture" stuff only becomes important after hundreds of years. Speaking as someone trying to be a writer...

Keep in mind most major artists have died in crippling poverty and gained prominence only long after their deaths.

Did you ask the person if they consider games such as chess to be perpetuating warmongering?

Tabletop wargames, like chess are simply a game to test strategy with a set of rules.

There is also other aspects involved such as the artistic side, stories and epic tales and social aspect. Gencon is going on right now. Over 50,000 people meet to play games and talk to each other.

This reminds me of the time a local school ran a 'hobbies day' and my local club decided to put in a big game to get some kids involved. It was a primarily a historical club and we out on a Waterloo based game. We got loads of interest and complements from the majority of parents, but one woman kicked up a huge fuss and accused us of being Warmongers who where trying to brainwash kids into joining the army. In the end one of the teachers had to ask her to leave.

It's just ignorant sanctimonious posturing, best ignored.

Hah. Far from miniature wargaming glorifying war and being warmongering, I long for a world in which there are no longer any Wars save for their fictional depictions in entertainment media (video games, film, TV, wargames etc).


If this person is so offended over "Warmongering" miniature wargames, she should be asked for her opinion on Libya and Syria. Two countries that the West actively helped to destabilize (the former by directly bombing the ruling government/regime, and the latter by supporting various amorphous rebel factions, some of which are Jihadist).

If she waffles in response, and cannot come up with a coherent answer, then she's clearly just making empty sanctimonious posturing and doesn't truly care about genuine warmongering, she's just picking on an easy target (harmless Nerds ).

Gamingdog wrote:
The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"

I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.

Any way I just wanted to vent a little

Surely if you're being called a warmonger because of your hobby then that's a good thing.?

Just walk away and come back with a face full of warpaint (Maybe some blood for the blood god paint?), then just rabble something Braveheartish. It'd be priceless.

Or dress up like a Slaanesh cultist and make sexually suggestive remarks about making love not war.

Aww man I wish someone called me a warmonger, that would be so cool.

Also there's a large list of skills that you get out of a BA degree like mine, its just that most people with BA's don't realize they have the skills because they seem self evident, but trust me, skills like computer literacy, critical thinking and the ability to give coherent presentations (ie the foundation of history/politics/classics/english majors) are not universal.