Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.

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**Co'tor Shas**

Well, a hardcore anti-government group might be able to get their hands on them from over the boarder perhaps?

**d-usa**

Ouze wrote:

#notallAKs

I'm just saying that any patriotic domestic terrorist should be buying American made weapons, that's all

**Jihadin**

It was well executed. Damn near to a "T"

**CptJake**

There is no confirmation they used AKs. Only confirmed is 'long gun'.

And of course in CA, 'assault weapons' and high capacity magazines are illegal if I remember correctly.

**d-usa**

CptJake wrote:
There is no confirmation they used AKs. Only confirmed is 'long gun'.

Thanks for clearing that up, so it really could be anything then. Although even AK-47 doesn't really narrow it down much based on our reporting standards with the media.

**Goliath**

Ahtman wrote:
Breotan wrote:
So no, this isn't a "pretty normal" event.

Actually mass shootings in the US are fairly normal, sadly. There are different reasons for them, of course, but the overall unfortunately happens with some frequency in this country.

Yup. 352nd shooting with more than 4 fatalities (including shooter) this year.

**CptJake**

Plenty of AK style weapons come up from central america. I suspect they are going to be as common as AR types. They also have a 'cool' factor amongst the gang elements which also aids in commonality.

**richred_uk**

Goliath wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Breotan wrote:
So no, this isn't a "pretty normal" event.

Actually mass shootings in the US are fairly normal, sadly. There are different reasons for them, of course, but the overall unfortunately happens with some frequency in this country.
Yup. 352nd shooting with more than 4 fatalities (including shooter) this year.

From the Washington post - the number is the number of mass (4+ victims - I dont know if that means fatalities - I suspect it doesn't) shootings per day in the US:

**jasper76**

I hope they catch em and hang em high.

This country is getting scarier and scarier to live in.

**LethalShade**

How many confirmed casualties ?

**CptJake**

jasper76 wrote:

This country is getting scarier and scarier to live in.

I honestly don't understand that point of view. The VAST majority in the US is NEVER going to be directly exposed this type of event. Why live in fear?

**Co'tor Shas**

LethalShade wrote:
How many confirmed casualties ?

14 dead, 14 wounded.

**CptJake**

LethalShade wrote:
How many confirmed casualties ?

I've seen 14 dead mentioned recently, but I don't think any number is 'confirmed' at this point.

**jasper76**

CptJake wrote:
Plenty of AK style weapons come up from central america. I suspect they are going to be as common as AR types. They also have a 'cool' factor amongst the gang elements which also aids in commonality.

Well, I don't actually live in fear. Just sayin. These mass shootings are just becoming a normal thing to see in the news. I used to be surprised to hear something like 14 people shot dead. Now, its just another Wednesday in the good ole USA.

**CptJake**

jasper76 wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Plenty of AK style weapons come up from central america. I suspect they are going to be as common as AR types. They also have a 'cool' factor amongst the gang elements which also aids in commonality.

Well, I don't actually live in fear. Just sayin. These mass shootings are just becoming a normal thing to see in the news.

News reports the unusual and bloody.

MOST of these 'mass shootings' are some nutter who offs his family and self, really horrendous domestic violence. Another large part is criminal activity/gang activity. A small portion is gak like we are seeing today.

**jasper76**

It's all bad to me.

**Kanluwen**

CptJake wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

You do realize that we've had attacks like this before that had nothing to do with organized terrorist groups, right?

Nidal Hassan was not a member of an organized terror group. Does not change the fact he was a terrorist who committed a terrorist act. 'Inspired by' is the way we'll see a lot of these described.

Okay...?

I'm referring to these kinds of shootings where the shooters had body armor, (reported) automatics, and concealed their identities.
North Hollywood immediately springs to mind.

**Kilkrazy**

CptJake wrote:
Again, a DaIsh attack is VERY likely to actually be domestic DaIsh inspired, NOT initiated by DaIsh in Syria/Iraq. And the targeting would be local as a result.

Not attempting to link this to any group, but folks need to understand the paradigm on targeting and attacks has evolved.

The Paris attack was organised from Brussels.

**LethalShade**

Kilkrazy wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Again, a DaIsh attack is VERY likely to actually be domestic DaIsh inspired, NOT initiated by DaIsh in Syria/Iraq. And the targeting would be local as a result.

Not attempting to link this to any group, but folks need to understand the paradigm on targeting and attacks has evolved.

The Paris attack was organised from Brussels.

Except you don't cross the Ocean to the US as easily as the Franco-Belgian border.

**CptJake**

Kilkrazy wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Again, a DaIsh attack is VERY likely to actually be domestic DaIsh inspired, NOT initiated by DaIsh in Syria/Iraq. And the targeting would be local as a result.

Not attempting to link this to any group, but folks need to understand the paradigm on targeting and attacks has evolved.

The Paris attack was organised from Brussels.

Are either Paris or Brussels in the US?

I didn't think so. My answer is regarding here in the US. And we've seen it. Guys are very rarely traveling far for their attacks, and have almost all been 'inspired' instead of infiltrated DaIsh members. Even in cases where there was some coordination (Hassan for example) the targeting was local. In the rare cases it is not, it is usually do to the 'inspired' part (see Nasser Abdo inspired by Hassan).

**Jihadin**

They call this workplace violence I'm recarrying

**jasper76**

I really don't get the location. What kind of human scum would target a center for developmental disabilities?

**Dreadclaw69**

This seems a very sophisticated attack, although the choice of target is very strange. The Christmas party in the building may be a clue as to the attackers and motive, but it is very early to speculate in any useful manner

d-usa wrote:
Other than "AK-47" it really doesn't seem very ISIL inspired just because the target feels "off" IMO. It seems like they have been targeting areas focusing on "western decadence" or "western sinful living", like bars, concerts, and the soccer stadium. I don't know that a local government worker party would be on their radar.

Government workers seen like they would be more of a domestic anti-government style attack, but I would expect AR-15s instead of AK-47s (although I admit that this may be profiling on my part).

At first sight I really have a hard time narrowing it down to any group that immediately jumps to mind.

Agreed. There are none of the hallmarks of an ISIS attack;
- not a very public target
- no hostages
- fleeing the scene
- lack of confirmed explosives

d-usa wrote:
I'm just saying that any patriotic domestic terrorist should be buying American made weapons, that's all

Plenty of good US made AKM pattern rifles are available

**LethalShade**

jasper76 wrote:
I really don't get the location. What kind of human scum would target a center for developmental disabilities?

A human scum ? Nuff said.

**Frazzled**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
LethalShade wrote:
How many confirmed casualties ?

14 dead, 14 wounded.

crap that sucks.

**Jihadin**

So far nothing has been said by the attackers. (God Wills It or God is Great).
Just went in and shot the place.

**Co'tor Shas**

Frazzled wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
LethalShade wrote:
How many confirmed casualties ?

14 dead, 14 wounded.
crap that sucks.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. And we have no idea how severe these injuries are either.

**Jihadin**

Caught them it seems...or in pursuit of..one on foot.

One officer down
Suspect down
aanother in vehicle (2nd suspect)
3rd on foot

edit

3rd suspect on foot.

Possible forth. Unsure of...driver of the vehicle

**Chute82**

One suspect hit by gunfire.. The police have a suv surrounded

**DarkTraveler777**

For anyone interested, here is the local news stream: http://ktla.com/on-air/live-streaming/