Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.

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**Jihadin**

DEVELOPING: As many as a dozen people have reportedly been killed in what police call an active shooter situation Wednesday in San Bernardino, Calif., where SWAT teams were pursuing three suspects who may have escaped in an SUV.

As many as 30 hostages were seen coming out of the building, a center for treating developmentally disabled people, near a public golf course where the event occurred. The local Fox TV affiliate said at least 12 fatalities occurred inside the building, which was surrounded by authorities, just before noon local time.

.@SanBernardinoPD has confirmed 1to3 possible suspects.Multiple victims. #SBCSD &other agencies assisting. More info to come. #SanBernardino

The call came in around 11 a.m. in the 1300 block of South Waterman Avenue, at the Inland Regional Center, according to San Bernardino police Lt. Rich Lawhead. A makeshift triage center was set up outside the facility. A local NBC videographer reported there were not enough ambulances to transport victims, and that people were using pickup trucks to carry victims to triage areas.

The San Bernardino Sheriff's Office closed off local streets and emergency responders were making their way into a cluster of buildings on the scene.

A witness told Fox News that gunmen wearing masks and body armor entered the building and started shooting. Another area resident said a woman trapped inside called her father and asked him to "pray for us."

Bomb Squad went in already on a suspected package.
I've a bad vibe on this

**NinthMusketeer**

More of the same, really. These events are going to happen at a regular rate and thats pretty normal.

**Frazzled**

Edited on advice of fellow poster to remove unhelpful bit.

The report of multiple people in masks is not good.

**Breotan**

What the hell motivates people like this?

**jreilly89**

*sighs* its Chrismas dammit. Or Hannukah even. Why can't people be good to each other?

**Jihadin**

Seems we have three shooters, body armor, and....camo

**DarkTraveler777**

Frazzled wrote:
Ironically, have the incident a few miles west and it would be considered your average weekend drive by.

Even for you, Frazz, that is a pretty gakky response. I know you lived here for a while, but seriously, feth off with your California-Gang-Banger BS. 12 dead is not a common occurrence here, drive-bys or otherwise.

**Frazzled**

You're right. My bad. I will edit out and keep on topic.

Seems we have three shooters, body armor, and....camo

Let us be hopeful that that is a mistaken report or witness.

**Breotan**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
More of the same, really. These events are going to happen at a regular rate and thats pretty normal.

Witnesses are saying three suspects wearing masks and carrying AK47s. So no, this isn't a "pretty normal" event.

The authorities don't want to use the "T" word until more info comes in but given this has multiple suspects, a possible "device" left behind, and LAPD was already on alert by Homeland Security, it sure doesn't look like a crazed loner.

**Frazzled**

FBI and ATF on scene per LA Times. That doesn't sound good.
Edit: most recent LA Times update.

Police are now searching for a black sport utility vehicle that fled the scene of a mass shooting that left up to 20 people injured inside of a San Bernadino social services office on Wednesday morning, federal law enforcement sources told the Los Angeles Times.

A San Bernadino police spokeswoman also confirmed there "are fatalities," but was unsure of how many people had been killed.

At least three suspected shooters fled the building after gunfire erupted, according to the sources, who requested anonymity because the investigation is active and ongoing.

It is unclear if the people inside the vehicle are witnesses or suspects.

See the most-read stories this hour >>

Police also used a robot to detonate a "device" found inside the building, according to the sources, who also said investigators were assembling a battering ram to gain access to the office complex.
Live updates: Police say 'there are fatalities'
Live updates: Police say 'there are fatalities'

The San Bernardino Fire Department said the shooting took place in the 1300 block of Waterman Avenue, near Orange Show Road.

Sgt. Vicki Cervantes, the San Bernadino police spokeswoman, told reporters at the scene up to three shooters were reported inside the Inland Regional Center. Officers have not secured the building and are going door to door.

The suspects, she said, are heavily armed and were possibly wearing body armor.

“It’s a very active scene,” Cervantes said. “It’s very fluid.”
Television news footage showed police officers and firefighters at the scene as well as people being escorted out of the area.

**Ahtman**

Breotan wrote:
So no, this isn't a "pretty normal" event.

Actually mass shootings in the US are fairly normal, sadly. There are different reasons for them, of course, but the overall unfortunately happens with some frequency in this country.

**WrentheFaceless**

I can understand the motivation behind targets that are political or religious points of contention, not to say that either of those reasons are justification for this sort of thing.

But a center that assists the disabled? Cmon....

Some cold hearted bastards =/ Lets hope this is brought to a swift conclusion without further loss of life

**BrotherGecko**

Breotan wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
More of the same, really. These events are going to happen at a regular rate and thats pretty normal.

Witnesses are saying three suspects wearing masks and carrying AK47s. So no, this isn't a "pretty normal" event.

The authorities don't want to use the "T" word until more info comes in but given this has multiple suspects, a possible "device" left behind, and LAPD was already on alert by Homeland Security, it sure doesn't look like a crazed loner.

Right now I'd hold off on the Islamic "T" also. From the "tacticool" description from witnesses it also sounds like Caucasian type shooter too.

**Breotan**

Ahtman wrote:
Breotan wrote:
So no, this isn't a "pretty normal" event.

Actually mass shootings in the US are fairly normal, sadly. There are different reasons for them, of course, but the overall unfortunately happens with some frequency in this country.

"Lone gunman" shootings are happening too often, I agree. Even with the few details we have, it is clear this is not the same thing.

Back to the OT, it's looking like all three perps left in that black SUV. No update on the pursuit.

**d-usa**

Time for Alex Jones in three...two...one...

**Ahtman**

Breotan wrote:
it is clear this is not the same thing.

Which is why I said there are different reasons for doing it but they all have the same general outcome: lots of people shot. Mass shootings, for any reason, have become far to common in the USA. It isn't everyday to be sure, but even a few times is to many.

**Breotan**

d-usa wrote:
Time for Alex Jones in three...two...one...

Why? If we want crazy talk we can just look at Twitter for what pundits on the right and left are spewing.

**jreilly89**

Ahtman wrote:
Breotan wrote:
it is clear this is not the same thing.

Which is why I said there are different reasons for doing it but they all have the same general outcome: lots of people shot. Mass shootings, for any reason, have become far to common in the USA. It isn't everyday to be sure, but even a few times is to many.

Agreed. This is something far different than your traditional lone gunmen, but sadly these tragedies are far too common and frequent these days.

**jhe90**

Not good, but bombs, cammo gear, masks and Ak47's ....

this is too much like Paris..... it might not be, its bad every way, but if those lot are about, there savage barbarians :(

**BrotherGecko**

d-usa wrote:
Time for Alex Jones in three...two...one...

You are late....already has been called a false flag. Something about the NWO is happening now.

**Tactical_Spam**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
I can understand the motivation behind targets that are political or religious points of contention, not to say that either of those reasons are justification for this sort of thing.

But a center that assists the disabled? Cmon....

Some cold hearted bastards =/ Lets hope this is brought to a swift conclusion without further loss of life

Neo-Nazis?

**Ustrello**

Oh look another mass shooting, that makes it what? 1040 since sandy hook?

**TheCustomLime**

Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

**Kanluwen**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
I can understand the motivation behind targets that are political or religious points of contention, not to say that either of those reasons are justification for this sort of thing.

But a center that assists the disabled? Cmon....

Some cold hearted bastards =/ Lets hope this is brought to a swift conclusion without further loss of life

The article that Frazzled posted says that it is a "social services center". To some politically active groups, they consider welfare mooching minorities to be a "blight" on the US.

Not necessarily the first target that immediately springs to mind, but there's always someone out there who might think of it as a target.

**Frazzled**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

Lets not presume anything at this point. First reports are often very wrong.

**Kanluwen**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

You do realize that we've had attacks like this before that had nothing to do with organized terrorist groups, right?

**TheCustomLime**

Kanluwen wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

You do realize that we've had attacks like this before that had nothing to do with organized terrorist groups, right?

I realize that and I really hope it's not. I'm just voicing my concern is all.

**jhe90**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

You do realize that we've had attacks like this before that had nothing to do with organized terrorist groups, right?

I realize that and I really hope it's not. I'm just voicing my concern is all.

in the current climate, with massive threat levels, the attack on Paris, UK and others foiling several terror plots, and the fact a certain group are a psychopathic death cult?
it would be very worrying if it was.

**Kanluwen**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

You do realize that we've had attacks like this before that had nothing to do with organized terrorist groups, right?

I realize that and I really hope it's not. I'm just voicing my concern is all.

Honestly, if it were ISIS?
I would expect not just one attack but multiples. They know they need to make a concerted effort to cause as much havoc as possible at once in an attempt for demoralization.

Because once their attack is stopped, it becomes MUCH harder for them to make a follow-up on US soil.

**Grey Templar**

I too don't understand why this type of place was targeted. It doesn't fit the profile. I can't think of any similar events ever. Its not the sort of controversial target that is on the receiving end of shootings.

Lots of reports are saying the shooters got away, so we might have more attacks still to come. It would fit the style of the Paris attacks that ISIS did so its a possibility.

Ahtman wrote:
Breotan wrote:
So no, this isn't a "pretty normal" event.

Actually mass shootings in the US are fairly normal, sadly. There are different reasons for them, of course, but the overall unfortunately happens with some frequency in this country.

Just to clarify, normal doesn't mean common. Compared to any other type of crime they are very very very rare.