Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.

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**Ustrello**

Well considering we lead the world in mass shootings I would say it is a common occurrence.

**IV th legion**

The CEO of the center has said that the shooting started in a conference room being rented by an outside group. BBC is saying that the majority of the shooting took place in a building with a library and conference center. Apparently a SWAT situation in Pasadena (~20-30 minutes away by road) related to this.

**Grey Templar**

Ustrello wrote:
Well considering we lead the world in mass shootings I would say it is a common occurrence.

Being the leader of something that is incredibly rare overall doesn't really mean anything.

If 99% of people have between 0-3 pimples, we could say the guy with 4 pimples has "a lot of pimples".

Mass shootings still only account for a minuscule insignificant number of wrongful deaths in the US.

**CptJake**

Kanluwen wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

You do realize that we've had attacks like this before that had nothing to do with organized terrorist groups, right?

Nidal Hassan was not a member of an organized terror group. Does not change the fact he was a terrorist who committed a terrorist act. 'Inspired by' is the way we'll see a lot of these described.

**Sinful Hero**

Reasons the center was probably attacked was it's a very soft target. Centers for the developmentally disabled aren't usually known to have tight security, and the residents won't exactly be able to protect themselves.

**Ustrello**

Grey Templar wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
Well considering we lead the world in mass shootings I would say it is a common occurrence.

Being the leader of something that is incredibly rare overall doesn't really mean anything.

If 99% of people have between 0-3 pimples, we could say the guy with 4 pimples has "a lot of pimples".

Mass shootings still only account for a minuscule insignificant number of wrongful deaths in the US.

If you have a disproportionate amount of pimples or cancer cells compared to the normal human you usually seek treatment. But your comparison is not apt, because if there were someone with 23 pimples, the united states would have 133. That is quite a difference.

Sauce http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

**Grey Templar**

I agree. I doubt it was a specific attack on disabled people though, a crowded mall would have been just as ideal.

**Breotan**

BrotherGecko wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Time for Alex Jones in three...two...one...

You are late....already has been called a false flag. Something about the NWO is happening now.

What? Where are you getting this?

**Frazzled**

IV th legion wrote:
The CEO of the center has said that the shooting started in a conference room being rented by an outside group. BBC is saying that the majority of the shooting took place in a building with a library and conference center. Apparently a SWAT situation in Pasadena (~20-30 minutes away by road) related to this.

Bloomberg is saying a robot detonated a suspicious device. Multiple sources confirming looking for multiple gunmen in SUV.

Picked a decent time for a getaway traffic wise.

The target is...strange.

**Grey Templar**

Ustrello wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
Well considering we lead the world in mass shootings I would say it is a common occurrence.

Being the leader of something that is incredibly rare overall doesn't really mean anything.

If 99% of people have between 0-3 pimples, we could say the guy with 4 pimples has "a lot of pimples".

Mass shootings still only account for a minuscule insignificant number of wrongful deaths in the US.

If you have a disproportionate amount of pimples or cancer cells compared to the normal human you usually seek treatment. But your comparison is not apt, because if there were someone with 23 pimples, the united states would have 133. That is quite a difference.

Sauce http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

True, but again that 133 isn't adjusted to account for differences in population or other demographics. We will have more of just about everything simply because we are so much larger than most countries.

**Ustrello**

Grey Templar wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
Well considering we lead the world in mass shootings I would say it is a common occurrence.

Being the leader of something that is incredibly rare overall doesn't really mean anything.

If 99% of people have between 0-3 pimples, we could say the guy with 4 pimples has "a lot of pimples".

Mass shootings still only account for a minuscule insignificant number of wrongful deaths in the US.

If you have a disproportionate amount of pimples or cancer cells compared to the normal human you usually seek treatment. But your comparison is not apt, because if there were someone with 23 pimples, the united states would have 133. That is quite a difference.

Sauce http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

True, but again that 133 isn't adjusted to account for differences in population or other demographics. We will have more of just about everything simply because we are so much larger than most countries.

So by that logic India should be outpacing us in mass shootings 3 to 1

**Frazzled**

Can we not go there right now?

**Grey Templar**

Ustrello wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
Well considering we lead the world in mass shootings I would say it is a common occurrence.

Being the leader of something that is incredibly rare overall doesn't really mean anything.

If 99% of people have between 0-3 pimples, we could say the guy with 4 pimples has "a lot of pimples".

Mass shootings still only account for a minuscule insignificant number of wrongful deaths in the US.

If you have a disproportionate amount of pimples or cancer cells compared to the normal human you usually seek treatment. But your comparison is not apt, because if there were someone with 23 pimples, the united states would have 133. That is quite a difference.

Sauce http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-correct-mass-killings-dont-happen-oth/

True, but again that 133 isn't adjusted to account for differences in population or other demographics. We will have more of just about everything simply because we are so much larger than most countries.

So by that logic India should be outpacing us in mass shootings 3 to 1

Only if you considered population. There are many many other factors. But that is off-topic at the moment.

**BrotherGecko**

Breotan wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Time for Alex Jones in three...two...one...

You are late....already has been called a false flag. Something about the NWO is happening now.

What? Where are you getting this?

Reddit is hard at work reporting the events. Not saying its a ton of people as I try not to stare too long in fear of being burned but yah its already a false flag to people that like to use the words false and flag too close to each other.

**TheCustomLime**

Couldn't even wait until the bodies started to stink before turning this into a political thing. Don't let a good tragedy go to waste, am I right America?

**CptJake**

Live stream: http://livestream.com/accounts/9262780/events/3189705

About to have a press conference...

**BobtheInquisitor**

jhe90 wrote:
Not good, but bombs, cammo gear, masks and Ak47's ....

this is too much like Paris..... it might not be, its bad every way, but if those lot are about, there savage barbarians :(

There has to be something more going on here. Not only is the building not a religious or political target (so far as I know), but the attackers put a lot of planning into this to strike at San Bernardino...not exactly the Paris of Southern California. I feel like the attackers must be locals.

**CptJake**

Seems the county gov't/county workers had rented the room for a Christmas party

Federal sources: County workers may have been targeted
The shooting took place at a gathering of San Bernardino County employees, according to federal law enforcement sources who requested anonymity because the investigation is active and ongoing. Those officials said they think that group, not the facility, may have been targeted.

Keith Nelson, vice president of the Inland Regional Center’s Board of Trustees, said the shooting took place in building No.3 on the campus.

Building No. 3 is the only building on the campus that is open to the public and does not require a work badge to enter, Nelson said,

The conference room, which holds up to 200 people, was decorated for a holiday party, said Marybeth Feild, board president and CEO of the center.

—Paloma Esquivel, Richard A. Serrano and Veronica Rocha

**BobtheInquisitor**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
Possible bomb, AK47s, masks, body armor and masks. This is starting to smell like a terrorist attack.

I wonder if ISIS will be stupid enough to claim responsibility.

You do realize that we've had attacks like this before that had nothing to do with organized terrorist groups, right?

I realize that and I really hope it's not. I'm just voicing my concern is all.

I doubt ISIS even knows where San Bernardino is. If they were planning a terrorist attack in SoCal, I would expect them to hit somewhere closer to Disneyland, both in location and name recognition.

If this is terrorism, it's most likely domestic.

**CptJake**

Again, a DaIsh attack is VERY likely to actually be domestic DaIsh inspired, NOT initiated by DaIsh in Syria/Iraq. And the targeting would be local as a result.

Not attempting to link this to any group, but folks need to understand the paradigm on targeting and attacks has evolved.

**WrentheFaceless**

Hrm, most obvious suspect is to identify who was recently fired from the county who held a grudge.

**CptJake**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hrm, most obvious suspect is to identify who was recently fired from the county who held a grudge.

That does seem like a smart place to start.

**TheCustomLime**

It seems a little strange that a disgruntled worker would round up two of his buddies and get AK47s just to waste his former colleagues.

Then again, this is breaking news. It's just as likely to be a 9mm pistol as it is an actual Kalashnikov rifle.

**Spetulhu**

CptJake wrote:
Seems the county gov't/county workers had rented the room for a Christmas party

OK, that's a better target than the disabled, but still a bit odd for a mass shooting with several perpetrators. One guy with a grudge against the county I could see, but three in heavy gear? Well, perhaps some sort of idiot militia has finally decided to stop the evil guv'ment - but surely they'd also want to publish their reasons?

**LethalShade**

CptJake wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hrm, most obvious suspect is to identify who was recently fired from the county who held a grudge.

That does seem like a smart place to start.

AKs and maybe a bomb are a bit of an overkill for a simple grudge.
(But that's 'Murica so who knows ?)

**Frazzled**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hrm, most obvious suspect is to identify who was recently fired from the county who held a grudge.

San Bernardino County is big, as in larger than Israel kind of big. That could be a fair number of people. Difficult to see how that could be more than one shooter in that hypothetical but can't rule it out.

Cartel hit? They have the means, and its within their scope of historical activities. Someone choose poorly on the old silver or lead test?

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TheCustomLime wrote:
It seems a little strange that a disgruntled worker would round up two of his buddies and get AK47s just to waste his former colleagues.

Then again, this is breaking news. It's just as likely to be a shotgun as it is an actual Kalashnikov rifle.

Yes.

**CptJake**

No 'bomb' was confirmed. The bomb squad 'disabled' a package or a 'suspicious' item. They have not (that I can find) confirmed it was an actual bomb. Could have been a backpack some scared dude dropped in a funny place as he un-assed the AO.

We'll see.

**WrentheFaceless**

True, could be all kinds of reasons, but a holiday party seems a deliberate personal target.

**d-usa**

CptJake wrote:
Again, a DaIsh attack is VERY likely to actually be domestic DaIsh inspired, NOT initiated by DaIsh in Syria/Iraq. And the targeting would be local as a result.

Not attempting to link this to any group, but folks need to understand the paradigm on targeting and attacks has evolved.

Other than "AK-47" it really doesn't seem very ISIL inspired just because the target feels "off" IMO. It seems like they have been targeting areas focusing on "western decadence" or "western sinful living", like bars, concerts, and the soccer stadium. I don't know that a local government worker party would be on their radar.

Government workers seen like they would be more of a domestic anti-government style attack, but I would expect AR-15s instead of AK-47s (although I admit that this may be profiling on my part).

At first sight I really have a hard time narrowing it down to any group that immediately jumps to mind.

**Ouze**

d-usa wrote:
Government workers seen like they would be more of a domestic anti-government style attack, but I would expect AR-15s instead of AK-47s (although I admit that this may be profiling on my part).

#notallAKs

I have to say this is a weird one. My guess would be drug related but who knows.