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17 wounded. 14 dead.

Police in apparent shootout with suspects.

 jasper76 wrote:
I really don't get the location. What kind of human scum would target a center for developmental disabilities?

The kind targeting the county employees who rented the conference area for their Christmas party...

Well, the dudes in that black SUV aint goin nowhere, if there even alive.

LEOs have a vehicle surrounded.


As an aside I didn't realize that some California police used Mini-14s

Given the number of military-equipped gangs in California, specifically in San Bernardino? I'm surprised they don't all drive Abrams.

another mass shooting? it must be Wednesday.

Can we just make a common thread "mass shootings in the US" it would save space, rather than having two threads going on at the same time.

cue Obama to say what a tragedy it is, cue the NRA to blame mentally unstable people. outrage by the american people, elected officials throw their hands up and shrug saying there's nothing we can do. and done.

LEO are really quiet about this.
I hope this is not a ISIS inspired attack to go with the Paris one.

Edit

Was a fire fight at the stop. Has the feel they were going to die they were going out shooting.

Seems "two" is still on the loose

 Jihadin wrote:
LEO are really quiet about this.
I hope this is not a ISIS inspired attack to go with the Paris one.

I find it sad that so much gun violence occurs, that you can't know if it's a terrorist attack, or just more americans shooting up the place.

Obama and other Ds have already weighed in.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on San Bernardino shootings wrote: Each time I see breaking news of yet another mass shooting, I feel it in the pit of my stomach. Congress can’t stop every shooting, but we can help reduce their frequency. I remain hopeful that enough of my colleagues will join me to make that a reality.

Hillary Clinton wrote:I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H

 CptJake wrote:
Obama and other Ds have already weighed in.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on San Bernardino shootings wrote: Each time I see breaking news of yet another mass shooting, I feel it in the pit of my stomach. Congress can’t stop every shooting, but we can help reduce their frequency. I remain hopeful that enough of my colleagues will join me to make that a reality.

Hillary Clinton wrote:I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H

Wow
he said that right after the Paris shooting.....Awesome Sauce there Chosen One

This has more of a Boston bomber type vibe to it. Gunfire instead of explosives but the rest of it seems to be going down a similar path.

If you heard a random thunder-clap don't worry it was just my palm meeting my face.

Wolf Blitzer just tried said its scary to see the police using the same armored vehicles he saw in Iraq and Fellujah....

Yah, those light armored swat vehicles...

At least one perp dead on street, and one in the SUV. SUV has SWAT trying to figure out if there are explosives, don't know if perp in it is dead or wounded. Heard 'pipe bombs' mentioned as having been found.

Local TV is reporting 1 suspect deceased on the street, one suspect not moving but with a gun in the SUV, and a search for a possible third suspect that may have fled.

(beat me to it)

 BrotherGecko wrote:
If you heard a random thunder-clap don't worry it was just my palm meeting my face.

Wolf Blitzer just tried said its scary to see the police using the same armored vehicles he saw in Iraq and Fellujah....

Yah, those light armored swat vehicles...

They are using Bearcat MRAPs. Which were used in Iraq and (I think) Afganistan. Mostly Iraq though because they don't do well off road.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on San Bernardino shootings wrote:Congress can’t stop every shooting, but we can help reduce their frequency.

How? Seriously, put up or shut up, Senator.

Not that it makes any difference, but why a hospital for the mentally disabled? I mean, in the co springs shooting, while it's monstrous to shoot up a planned parenthood (or anywhere else), I can see the motive - some people don't approve of abortions.

Do note I'm not condoning the co springs shooting in any way, shape, or form, but I can understand that someone could be insane and angry enough to target a PP for its abortion services.

But why a mentally disabled hospital? I guess because it would be an easy target?

I mean, the newtown shooting was pretty senseless, and similarly undefended, but that guy was nuts, as I recall (like the co springs shooter). But from the description, this was a coordinated and planned effort by multiple shooters.

I guess what I'm getting at is - if they're sane enough to plan, coordinate, execute, and, hell, even agree on such a action, why a hospital for the developmentally disabled?

 Jihadin wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Obama and other Ds have already weighed in.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on San Bernardino shootings wrote: Each time I see breaking news of yet another mass shooting, I feel it in the pit of my stomach. Congress can’t stop every shooting, but we can help reduce their frequency. I remain hopeful that enough of my colleagues will join me to make that a reality.

Hillary Clinton wrote:I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H

Wow
he said that right after the Paris shooting.....Awesome Sauce there Chosen One

Spread some of the awesome sauce please (source).

These are the comments I recall Obama making after Paris.

"This is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share," Obama said in a statement delivered in the White House Briefing Room. "We stand prepared and ready to provide whatever assistance the people of France need to respond."

Obama added, "This is a heartbreaking situation, and obviously those of us here in the United States know what it's like and we've gone through these kinds of episodes ourselves."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/politics/paris-terror-attacks-obama/

What's that third vehicle moving in with the armored deck on front?

If its a VBIED or close to one then we're in a new game


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 jasper76 wrote:
What's that third vehicle moving in with the armored deck on front?

EOD team

Xray machine and robot controls...might have a mechanical arm to. Thick blast shield

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Not that it makes any difference, but why a hospital for the mentally disabled? I mean, in the co springs shooting, while it's monstrous to shoot up a planned parenthood (or anywhere else), I can see the motive - some people don't approve of abortions.

Do note I'm not condoning the co springs shooting in any way, shape, or form, but I can understand that someone could be insane and angry enough to target a PP for its abortion services.

But why a mentally disabled hospital? I guess because it would be an easy target?

I mean, the newtown shooting was pretty senseless, but the guy was insane as I recall (like the co springs shooter). But from the description, this was a coordinated and planned effort by multiple shooters.

I guess what I'm getting at is - if they're sane enough to plan, coordinate, and, hell, even agree on such a action, why a hospital for the developmentally disabled?

As I've mentioned several times, the target seems to be a conference center rented out to the county gov't employees for their Christmas party. THAT is what was hit....


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Source for my quotes above:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html (you'll need to scroll down)

and

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/672149874046083072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

And Bernie weighs in: https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/672160504572452864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Sanders wrote:Mass shootings are becoming an almost-everyday occurrence in this country. This sickening and senseless gun violence must stop.

other candidates on the incident (including the Rs) http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/12/02/2016-candidates-react-to-san-bernardino-shooting/

Note the difference in theme between the parties....

Ah, my apologies. Thanks for the clarification.

I see the Obama attack force is now out in full, not even allowing for the end of the situation before pouncing.

Have some respect for the dead before we start the political attacks.

The quote source requested is the one that was probably made up, allegedly after the Paris attacks - not yours.

Truly, Obama is history's greatest monster.

 Jihadin wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Obama and other Ds have already weighed in.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on San Bernardino shootings wrote: Each time I see breaking news of yet another mass shooting, I feel it in the pit of my stomach. Congress can’t stop every shooting, but we can help reduce their frequency. I remain hopeful that enough of my colleagues will join me to make that a reality.

Hillary Clinton wrote:I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H

Wow
he said that right after the Paris shooting.....Awesome Sauce there Chosen One

It's a true statement. One terrorist attack in Paris =/= 355 mass shootings in the US inside a single year.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
It seems a little strange that a disgruntled worker would round up two of his buddies and get AK47s just to waste his former colleagues.

Then again, this is breaking news. It's just as likely to be a 9mm pistol as it is an actual Kalashnikov rifle.

Given what we know, I highly doubt this is workplace violence. That usually ends up with the perp committing suicide or suicide by cop at the scene. They don't usually flee.

I doubt we'll know the accurate motive for days, really.

 Ouze wrote:
The quote source requested is the one that was probably made up, allegedly after the Paris attacks - not yours.

Truly, Obama is history's greatest monster.

I kinda figured Jihadin was talking out of his ass, but I wanted to see if I missed anything.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Obama and other Ds have already weighed in.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on San Bernardino shootings wrote: Each time I see breaking news of yet another mass shooting, I feel it in the pit of my stomach. Congress can’t stop every shooting, but we can help reduce their frequency. I remain hopeful that enough of my colleagues will join me to make that a reality.

Hillary Clinton wrote:I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H

Wow
he said that right after the Paris shooting.....Awesome Sauce there Chosen One

It's a true statement. One terrorist attack in Paris =/= 355 mass shootings in the US inside a single year.

How many of those shootings were simple robberies or gang shootouts which escalated? The defining # of victims for a mass shooting is pretty low and can easily encompass things like that.

Security guards at the facility were unarmed, or so says the local NBC TV stream.