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Hardly surprising or newsworthy.

 CptJake wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
If you heard a random thunder-clap don't worry it was just my palm meeting my face.

Wolf Blitzer just tried said its scary to see the police using the same armored vehicles he saw in Iraq and Fellujah....

Yah, those light armored swat vehicles...

They are using Bearcat MRAPs. Which were used in Iraq and (I think) Afganistan. Mostly Iraq though because they don't do well off road.

Naw Bearcats are civilian commerical vehicles never heard of military using them. You'd have to show me were you saw that, I'd find it interesting why the military used thin skin commerical MRAPs.

Used as FOB runners for QRF

 Grey Templar wrote:
Hardly surprising or newsworthy.

Really? Where I live, security guards are typically armed.

 jasper76 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Hardly surprising or newsworthy.

Really? Where I live, security guards are typically armed.

That usually depends on what they are guarding.

Some little convention center isn't usually going to have armed guards.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Obama and other Ds have already weighed in.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on San Bernardino shootings wrote: Each time I see breaking news of yet another mass shooting, I feel it in the pit of my stomach. Congress can’t stop every shooting, but we can help reduce their frequency. I remain hopeful that enough of my colleagues will join me to make that a reality.

Hillary Clinton wrote:I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H

Wow
he said that right after the Paris shooting.....Awesome Sauce there Chosen One

It's a true statement. One terrorist attack in Paris =/= 355 mass shootings in the US inside a single year.

How many of those shootings were simple robberies or gang shootouts which escalated? The defining # of victims for a mass shooting is pretty low and can easily encompass things like that.

And how many weren't? How many were national headline generating mass shootings? More than I am comfortable with. Are you actually okay with the state of affairs in this country? The Planned Parenthood shooting thread hasn't even closed yet and we have another mass shooting thread. If we had one of these events a year it would be troubling, but we have many, many more than that each year. We have a problem in the country, and trying to find justification for the amount of shootings we have every year is lunacy to me. "A lot of them are suicides." "Some of them are crimes gone wrong." Yeah, so what? Many of these attacks are against defenseless people and we have become so inured to this new reality that we can actually spend time now parsing which "mass shooting" should qualify as an actual mass shooting or just a technical one.

Honestly. WTF?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
I see the Obama attack force is now out in full, not even allowing for the end of the situation before pouncing.

Have some respect for the dead before we start the political attacks.

That's really funny, considering republicans were repeating the same lies a terrorist was saying, while a planned parenthood while a clinic was under siege.

My point is that there are many many more things which unnecessarily kill or injure people that would be far easier to fix. Gun violence has no substance to it in the grand scheme of things. Its simply not worth time or effort to fix, especially when there are constitutional rights involved.

Its just an outrage machine that the left likes to crank because it serves their agenda, but they have no intention of actually doing anything to solve the problem. All they end up doing is trampling on the rights of law abiding citizens while not solving the actual, very minor, problem.

If you really truly want to reduce gun violence, you will focus exclusively on improving the economy and reducing crime rates. Not putting on gun-control right restricting band-aids that make you feel warm and fuzzy.

You notice the difference between this shooting to the one at PP?
One was a nut job
This one was coordinated and executed to a "T" by three individuals who were prepared to fight.

This is not a typical Mass Shooting. This involved three individuals (possible four) compare to a lone Gunman

 Grey Templar wrote:
My point is that there are many many more things which unnecessarily kill or injure people that would be far easier to fix. Gun violence has no substance to it in the grand scheme of things. Its simply not worth time or effort to fix, especially when there are constitutional rights involved.

Its just an outrage machine that the left likes to crank because it serves their agenda, but they have no intention of actually doing anything to solve the problem. All they end up doing is trampling on the rights of law abiding citizens while not solving the actual, very minor, problem.

If you really truly want to reduce gun violence, you will focus exclusively on improving the economy and reducing crime rates. Not putting on gun-control right restricting band-aids that make you feel warm and fuzzy.

The irony burns so hard with this statement

 Jihadin wrote:
You notice the difference between this shooting to the one at PP?
One was a nut job
This one was coordinated and executed to a "T" by three individuals who were prepared to fight.

This is not a typical Mass Shooting. This involved three individuals (possible four) compare to a lone Gunman

Whats more disturbing is now that we seemingly have a definition of a "Typical Mass Shooting" because they happen so often that we can 'define' them.

 Jihadin wrote:
You notice the difference between this shooting to the one at PP?
One was a nut job
This one was coordinated and executed to a "T" by three individuals who were prepared to fight.

This is not a typical Mass Shooting. This involved three individuals (possible four) compare to a lone Gunman

so it's ok for republicans to quote a terrorists during a terrorist attack, and that's not politicizing an terrorist act?

but oh no, Obama can't say anything about this attack, because it's different.

Pretty sure we've defined mass shootings for decades. Thats not a new thing.

 Jihadin wrote:
Used as FOB runners for QRF

I honestly can't find any evidence the military has ever purchased Bearcats in any amount. Maybe contractors in Iraq but not even the manufacturer seems to say so that I've found.

I will admit Iraq was a poorly documented conflict.

If you can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. I've seen all kinds of MRAPs being in an RCP but never a Bearcat.

 jasper76 wrote:
Security guards at the facility were unarmed, or so says the local NBC TV stream.

The decision to have armed security depends on what is being guarded, the budget for security, insurance for armed guards on site, the availability of armed guards. California has some very strict gun control so there might not be an available pool of armed guards, much less an available pool in the price range of a facility for the disabled.

Most likely they were hired to be a visible deterrent but not much else.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
You notice the difference between this shooting to the one at PP?
One was a nut job
This one was coordinated and executed to a "T" by three individuals who were prepared to fight.

This is not a typical Mass Shooting. This involved three individuals (possible four) compare to a lone Gunman

so it's ok for republicans to quote a terrorists during a terrorist attack, and that's not politicizing an terrorist act?

but oh no, Obama can't say anything about this attack, because it's different.

I'm calling it like I see it. Trying to..link me to politics not going to work. This was well planned and executed.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Security guards at the facility were unarmed, or so says the local NBC TV stream.

The decision to have armed security depends on what is being guarded, the budget for security, insurance for armed guards on site, the availability of armed guards. California has some very strict gun control so there might not be an available pool of armed guards, much less an available pool in the price range of a facility for the disabled.

Most likely they were hired to be a visible deterrent but not much else.

There are armed guards. At least in Los Angeles. But typically they guard high profile places like Jewelry Stores and the like. Though once I did see an armed guard standing in front of a grocery store which I thought was hilarious.

Someone at the Xmas party left mad and came back with two more individuals. Empty one mag, reload, empty the second mag, and all left.

Edit

like SHep said. These guys were on a "mission"

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Security guards at the facility were unarmed, or so says the local NBC TV stream.

The decision to have armed security depends on what is being guarded, the budget for security, insurance for armed guards on site, the availability of armed guards. California has some very strict gun control so there might not be an available pool of armed guards, much less an available pool in the price range of a facility for the disabled.

Most likely they were hired to be a visible deterrent but not much else.

There are armed guards. At least in Los Angeles. But typically they guard high profile places like Jewelry Stores and the like. Though once I did see an armed guard standing in front of a grocery store which I thought was hilarious.

If the grocery store gets robbed regularly they might have armed guards. Its not like large grocery stores only have chump change in their tills either.

The local news said that there were like 5-10 guards, suggesting a semi-substantial security force may have been present. I guess that's why I thought they might have been armed.

They actually thought it was a Active Shooter Drill being they have one once a month

 Jihadin wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
You notice the difference between this shooting to the one at PP?
One was a nut job
This one was coordinated and executed to a "T" by three individuals who were prepared to fight.

This is not a typical Mass Shooting. This involved three individuals (possible four) compare to a lone Gunman

so it's ok for republicans to quote a terrorists during a terrorist attack, and that's not politicizing an terrorist act?

but oh no, Obama can't say anything about this attack, because it's different.

I'm calling it like I see it. Trying to..link me to politics not going to work. This was well planned and executed.

well let me ask it this way. If you have to wait a period of time out of respect, how can you ever have a discussion about the gun violence in the US? By the time you've given the one attack time to mourn their dead, 2 more attacks have happened. Thus we see the dilemma facing the US and it's utter lack of even trying to address, let alone solve their mass shooting problem.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Used as FOB runners for QRF

I honestly can't find any evidence the military has ever purchased Bearcats in any amount. Maybe contractors in Iraq but not even the manufacturer seems to say so that I've found.

I will admit Iraq was a poorly documented conflict.

If you can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. I've seen all kinds of MRAPs being in an RCP but never a Bearcat.

Army and Air Force both got some. I had a list of types and where they went but it is on a computer that does not get connected to the open internet. MP units at Hood, Bragg and a couple other places have them now. Only open source I can easily find is unfortunately the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenco_BearCat Look at 'usage' section.

Sad story. Hopefully those affected can find the help they need.

Multiple large-scale, right-infringing gun laws have been enacted in the past (since the early 20th century, in fact), both nationally and on a state level, and yet we still get scenarios like this one happening, often in places that have the most restrictive laws in the country. More "feel good" laws won't help.

I don't have the answer, but stomping all over the rights of law-abiding citizens clearly isn't having an effect, yet it's the first thing many people jump to. Insanity.

I don't want tragedies to be used as an excuse to trample on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Um... that is why laws exist in the first place. To trample on the rights of citizens who were previously engaged in committing tragedies.

The old "New laws wont work, bad guys dont follow them anyways" argument

Why have any laws then if the bad guys will just ignore them? They're just stifling muh freedoms.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
You notice the difference between this shooting to the one at PP?
One was a nut job
This one was coordinated and executed to a "T" by three individuals who were prepared to fight.

This is not a typical Mass Shooting. This involved three individuals (possible four) compare to a lone Gunman

so it's ok for republicans to quote a terrorists during a terrorist attack, and that's not politicizing an terrorist act?

but oh no, Obama can't say anything about this attack, because it's different.

I'm calling it like I see it. Trying to..link me to politics not going to work. This was well planned and executed.

well let me ask it this way. If you have to wait a period of time out of respect, how can you ever have a discussion about the gun violence in the US? By the time you've given the one attack time to mourn their dead, 2 more attacks have happened. Thus we see the dilemma facing the US and it's utter lack of even trying to address, let alone solve their mass shooting problem.

I'm use to rolling back out the "Wire" the next day with a few people short and/or their replacement. Your describing something some of us have first hand experience with. Try another aspect.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Security guards at the facility were unarmed, or so says the local NBC TV stream.

The decision to have armed security depends on what is being guarded, the budget for security, insurance for armed guards on site, the availability of armed guards. California has some very strict gun control so there might not be an available pool of armed guards, much less an available pool in the price range of a facility for the disabled.

Most likely they were hired to be a visible deterrent but not much else.

There are armed guards. At least in Los Angeles. But typically they guard high profile places like Jewelry Stores and the like. Though once I did see an armed guard standing in front of a grocery store which I thought was hilarious.

If the grocery store gets robbed regularly they might have armed guards. Its not like large grocery stores only have chump change in their tills either.

Every grocery store in Youngstown Ohio has a armed security guard. They get robbed all the time..

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
The old "New laws wont work, bad guys dont follow them anyways" argument

Why have any laws then if the bad guys will just ignore them? They're just stifling muh freedoms.

So, trampling on the Constitution to make you feel safer without actually being safer is a better option?