U.S. to Survive and push back a Zombie Apocalypse

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**Sigvatr**

Long story short, if you want to survive, better stick with mercen...private military contractors.

Seriously, though, that entire "soldiers aren't effective" thing is bullcrap. "Shoot their head!" " WE CAN'T SIR! WE'RE TRAINED TO SHOOT CENTER MASS!" "THE HEADS! AIM AT THE HEADS!" "WE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN'T!"

...yeah. It's not just about military efficiency / weapons handling, it's also about discipline. Soldiers are less prone to panic, can handle danger situations more efficiently, need less supplies and sleep to work properly etc. All kind of military personnel is best to stick to in any sort of crisis.

This, however, has a price: you. If you are a civilian, you gotta make yourself useful. Dead weight is just that: dead. The most important thing in a zombie apocalypse is cardio, cardio, cardio. Running fast over a long time is the most important skill, perfect it with parcour skills. Paramilitar training also helps a lot.

**timetowaste85**

If a zombie outbreak occurred, I'd be getting the hell out of Stamford. Not being in it. That's where I work. That's an awful place to survive a zombie attack. You'd suck and die.

Say...you wonder if the person writing the article knows something we don't and wants to clear out the stupid people who listen to him/her by going to these locations to being Z-food?

I'd end up rushing to Grayling, Michigan. There's a military base and the base and town are both seriously remote. And it's got one of the Great Lakes just a bit to the north, so that direction is mostly cut down from potential attacks. There's like 1 decent sized (for Michigan) city above it, everything else is from the south. Yup. That's where I'd go.

**AegisGrimm**

People don't think things through enough in scenarios like this.

For example: I live in a relatively low-populated part of West Michigan (the Kalamazoo-Grand Rapids freeway corridor). Everything from farming to weapons scavenging to fortifying with local resources (i.e. easily harvestible trees for motte-and bailey defences of a settlement) are covered. Problem is, we also get nasty winters to live through.

And even more damning of all---I am within the 100 "feth you" zone miles of the Palisades Nuclear Plant on the lakeshore to the west, which unless someone heroically thinks to shut it down properly, kills the lower quarter of the state if something goes wrong after it stops being attended to.

Winter and nuke plant failures are two things many scenarios gloss over.

**Iron_Captain**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
The idea of military training was delt with in the WWZ novel. They where using weapons designed to kill, not maim or dismember, but to pierce through the body, and aimed for center mass. So they failed because the zombie can keep going with a bullet hole.

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Not to mention what kind of people you would want in your zombie apocalypse team
1: Soldiers and Fighters obviously
2: People who can grow food. I would say go almost completely Vegan in a zombie apocalypse. Why? You dont know about the disease and if animals can carry is, but not be infected? What if that cow got bite by a zombie and is carrying the thing?
3: Laborers. people to do lifting, to plant food.
4: Psych counselors, Seriously, this will mess people up, you need someone there
5: Logistical Team: People to delegate supplies, food rations ammo, people whose whole job its it to do that stuff. Like a quatermaster kinda.

I think you should go with only farmers and soldiers and people who have skills that support farming (you will need blacksmiths, carpenters etc.) Growing enough food to survive is already a hard enough task if everyone in the community devotes his/her entire life to it (that is what medieval peasants did, and they still suffered famine etc. whenever a harvest went bad for some reason or another) so you want to keep any extra mouths to feed to the bare minimum. The only people that are really 100% necessary beside farmers are people to protect the farmers. Of course, I suppose you could teach psych counselors and others to be able to farm or use a gun as well. But everyone in the group should be able to at least farm or fight.
Essentially, you would have to return to a Dark Ages society where everyone is a full-time farmer and all other jobs and skills are only done part-time whenever farming leaves enough time for them.

Of course, that is only in the event the military for some reason is unable to destroy the zombies. Realistically, the best option is to just go to your local military base and wait for the soldiers to clean up the mess. Tanks are OP vs zombies. There is nothing better against zombies than tanks. Except an Apache helicopter. An Apache helicopter has machine guns and missiles.

**Jihadin**

They run if there is a good supply of replacement parts and FUEL

**sirlynchmob**

SemperMortis wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
During a zombie apocalypse I would just go to the nearest LARGE military base. Because regardless of every Sci-Fi book/movie/TV show says they will be the safest place. Why? because guns and ......more guns and tanks and artillery and close air support and did I mention the guns?

TWD and FTWD all make there characters into these indestructible zombie killing machines that slay zombies with knives faster then you can blink an eye. And yet the US military, all armed with M16s, M4s, M240s, M249s and M2s (not getting into heavier ordinance) can't kill zombies before they are over run?

My favorite scene in FTWD is when the army guys go into the building and you hear lots of shooting and then something like 2 of them walk out and the rest are all dead and the zombies won somehow, flash forward a few episodes and the zombies over run the military installation but the civilians somehow survive and out fight the military.

If this ever were to happen then you better believe that the Military would lay waste to hundreds of thousands of zombies, not to mention that most major military installations are VERY secluded. Camp Lejeune is in Jacksonville NC, a city with a population of about 70,000, where as Camp Lejeune at any given point has around 40-47,000 Marines and Sailors on deck.

So every Scifi story involving zombies in America is saying is that 70,000 braindead zombies some how manage to over run and kill 40-47k trained Marines who all have easy access to arms, not to mention the tanks/artillery/CAS they can easily use.

the military is taught to aim for center mass, not head shots. so when they get in over their head and start to panic, they rely on their training, Center mass.

But civilians with no weapons training and most having never fired a gun can somehow hit that many head shots? and you keep forgetting...TANKS! how the hell do zombies deal with tanks? that is never really explained in any kind of way. Hell just make a fortified position with high walls and a double gate that allows tanks in and out and in between kills the zombies that come in with the doors opening. The 120mm isn't going to be as useful per say but it still has a 7.62 Cupola Machine gun on that thing, not to mention Crushing zombies under its treads as it goes along.

Everyone becoming a instant marksman the minute a zombie is spotted and a gun is held for the first time has always irritated me.
Tanks need fuel, and bullets, and odds are when the zombies hit the fan the middle east will stop shipping oil to the US. Ethanol is only good for about 90 days. Jp5 is only 18 months, diesel is 2 years if properly stored. So while everyone has switched to being farmers, the fuel is drying up fast.

The greatest weakness of the military has always been the supply lines. They don't grow their own food, they can't make replacement parts, and if they take in refugees, the food won't last a month. How long do the troops remain at their posts when their food is gone, when they wonder what's happening to their family many states away while they protect a different city, in a different state. Morale, the second greatest weakness of the military.

**ZergSmasher**

I know the discussion has moved beyond this now, but I just read the OP and I find it very interesting that my hometown is #1 on safe places to be in a zombie apocalypse. I also find it highly unrealistic given the aforementioned political climate of this city.

Back on the current discussion, the oil would be less of a problem than people think. The US is only using foreign oil because we would rather use that than use up our own reserves. When we eventually deplete the oil in the Middle East, the idea is that America will still have some and other nations will pay US good money for it. Or so I've heard, I don't claim to be an expert on the subject. America does have its own oil, so being cut off by the Middle East would not screw us completely.

As for the supply lines, that has been a problem for military campaigns for as long as humans have had armies. Someone wisely said "an army marches on its stomach." I know morale can be directly related to the integrity of said supply lines, as well. Towards the end of the American Civil War a fair number of Confederate troops deserted because they were sick of being stuck on the battlefield fighting for a losing cause and starving to death while they were worried about how their families were doing. Keeping morale up during a zombie war would be even worse, as soldiers would fear that perhaps their families had been infected and turned into the very enemy they are fighting.

**Kilkrazy**

Zombies won't wreck the infrastructure so there's no reason why modern civilisation cannot carry on after a Zopocalypse providing the surviving population can destroy the zombies quickly and retains enough technicians to restart the equipment before it starts to decay for lack of maintenance.

This also applies to farming. 100 years ago, countries like the UK employed 20% of their labour force in agriculture. It's now only 2%, thanks to efficiency gains. With modern farming methods a reduced population could easily be fed, as long as you can get past the problem of the first season following the event.

**VorpalBunny74**

Here's my plan for the zombie apocalypse:

1) Get out of the city
2) Realise I have no survival skills
3) Return to the city
4) Get bitten
5) . . . Brains

**Frazzled**

SemperMortis wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
During a zombie apocalypse I would just go to the nearest LARGE military base. Because regardless of every Sci-Fi book/movie/TV show says they will be the safest place. Why? because guns and ......more guns and tanks and artillery and close air support and did I mention the guns?

TWD and FTWD all make there characters into these indestructible zombie killing machines that slay zombies with knives faster then you can blink an eye. And yet the US military, all armed with M16s, M4s, M240s, M249s and M2s (not getting into heavier ordinance) can't kill zombies before they are over run?

My favorite scene in FTWD is when the army guys go into the building and you hear lots of shooting and then something like 2 of them walk out and the rest are all dead and the zombies won somehow, flash forward a few episodes and the zombies over run the military installation but the civilians somehow survive and out fight the military.

If this ever were to happen then you better believe that the Military would lay waste to hundreds of thousands of zombies, not to mention that most major military installations are VERY secluded. Camp Lejeune is in Jacksonville NC, a city with a population of about 70,000, where as Camp Lejeune at any given point has around 40-47,000 Marines and Sailors on deck.

So every Scifi story involving zombies in America is saying is that 70,000 braindead zombies some how manage to over run and kill 40-47k trained Marines who all have easy access to arms, not to mention the tanks/artillery/CAS they can easily use.

the military is taught to aim for center mass, not head shots. so when they get in over their head and start to panic, they rely on their training, Center mass.

But civilians with no weapons training and most having never fired a gun can somehow hit that many head shots? and you keep forgetting...TANKS! how the hell do zombies deal with tanks? that is never really explained in any kind of way. Hell just make a fortified position with high walls and a double gate that allows tanks in and out and in between kills the zombies that come in with the doors opening. The 120mm isn't going to be as useful per say but it still has a 7.62 Cupola Machine gun on that thing, not to mention Crushing zombies under its treads as it goes along.

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hotsauceman1 wrote:
if you have the ability to ignore pain and alot of injuries.

Tanks, large trucks, tractors. Being dead is actually a serious disadvantage...
Remember WWZ was written by Mel Brooks' kid. Its not exactly a serious military study of how to handle an attack of zombies. Give your troops simple motorcycle leathers and they are invulnerable to the zombie menace and can hack away with their Lobos (WWZ reference) to their heart's content.

Simple Kraals of circled vehicles provide an effective barrier for you to employ your Lobos. If its good enough to stop Zulu Impis in their tracks, and horse archers, its good enough for the zombies.

**sirlynchmob**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Zombies won't wreck the infrastructure so there's no reason why modern civilisation cannot carry on after a Zopocalypse providing the surviving population can destroy the zombies quickly and retains enough technicians to restart the equipment before it starts to decay for lack of maintenance.

This also applies to farming. 100 years ago, countries like the UK employed 20% of their labour force in agriculture. It's now only 2%, thanks to efficiency gains. With modern farming methods a reduced population could easily be fed, as long as you can get past the problem of the first season following the event.

There's a great chance they'll destroy the infrastructure. Think about it, you hear the dead are walking, you work in a refinery that provides fuel to the military, do you risk going outside and leaving your family at home to go to work?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/zombie-apocalypse-research-cornell_n_6797952.html

We dropped one zombie on the East Coast, and another near Chicago, and within three hours, we had a national crisis on our hands:

Here's the simulator they used, something to help pass the time at work

http://mattbierbaum.github.io/zombies-usa/

the CDC recommends heading to the rockies.

**SemperMortis**

Those assuming oil will be a problem have never been on a military base

its everywhere. Even with that said, the military is believe it or not, capable of shooting things in the head. I have a very vivid mental image of a particularly Jihadi with a new mouth hole in his forehead.

But anyway, the military is capable of head shots, they have tracked vehicles that can run over zombies in their hundreds, they have vehicles like the MRAP that are capable of the same feats, not to mention that conventional bombers could destroy large concentrations before they even got to a military base.

No, in a zombie apocalypse the entire thing would end in a few days while the clean up, and tracking down of the last handful of zombies might take months. But this would not be a serious event in human history. According to a lot of bumper stickers and T-shirts I have seen, it will be a holiday for a lot of people.

**Desubot**

SemperMortis wrote:
Those assuming oil will be a problem have never been on a military base its everywhere. Even with that said, the military is believe it or not, capable of shooting things in the head. I have a very vivid mental image of a particularly Jihadi with a new mouth hole in his forehead.

But anyway, the military is capable of head shots, they have tracked vehicles that can run over zombies in their hundreds, they have vehicles like the MRAP that are capable of the same feats, not to mention that conventional bombers could destroy large concentrations before they even got to a military base.

No, in a zombie apocalypse the entire thing would end in a few days while the clean up, and tracking down of the last handful of zombies might take months. But this would not be a serious event in human history. According to a lot of bumper stickers and T-shirts I have seen, it will be a holiday for a lot of people.

Contrary to all those zombie movies im pretty sure 99% of the time the military will be able to deal with it no issue. besides maybe the crossed or corporation supported one like Resident evil.

but id pose the question what would happen if the military was the one that turned into zombies, ether by large scale vaccinations gone wild or something else that takes a very long time to incubate.

**whembly**

Didn't know where to stick this, but stuck it here because of it's "apocalyptic" nature:
http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

Try it out!

**Frazzled**

Desubot wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Those assuming oil will be a problem have never been on a military base its everywhere. Even with that said, the military is believe it or not, capable of shooting things in the head. I have a very vivid mental image of a particularly Jihadi with a new mouth hole in his forehead.

But anyway, the military is capable of head shots, they have tracked vehicles that can run over zombies in their hundreds, they have vehicles like the MRAP that are capable of the same feats, not to mention that conventional bombers could destroy large concentrations before they even got to a military base.

No, in a zombie apocalypse the entire thing would end in a few days while the clean up, and tracking down of the last handful of zombies might take months. But this would not be a serious event in human history. According to a lot of bumper stickers and T-shirts I have seen, it will be a holiday for a lot of people.

Contrary to all those zombie movies im pretty sure 99% of the time the military will be able to deal with it no issue. besides maybe the crossed or corporation supported one like Resident evil.

but id pose the question what would happen if the military was the one that turned into zombies, ether by large scale vaccinations gone wild or something else that takes a very long time to incubate.

The deal is, its not like the flu. Its carrier vectors would be incredibly different and easier to deal with. Even if very transmissable (lets assume as fast as any virus known) its still not going to create instant armies of zombie/rabies people overnight. Further, humans are really crappy at surviving without our brains. Take that away and we're literally dead meat. The dead can't rise, and any rabies guys who forget how to use a faucet or get to a river are going to be gone in a few days.

**Desubot**

Frazzled wrote:
Desubot wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Those assuming oil will be a problem have never been on a military base its everywhere. Even with that said, the military is believe it or not, capable of shooting things in the head. I have a very vivid mental image of a particularly Jihadi with a new mouth hole in his forehead.

But anyway, the military is capable of head shots, they have tracked vehicles that can run over zombies in their hundreds, they have vehicles like the MRAP that are capable of the same feats, not to mention that conventional bombers could destroy large concentrations before they even got to a military base.

No, in a zombie apocalypse the entire thing would end in a few days while the clean up, and tracking down of the last handful of zombies might take months. But this would not be a serious event in human history. According to a lot of bumper stickers and T-shirts I have seen, it will be a holiday for a lot of people.

Contrary to all those zombie movies im pretty sure 99% of the time the military will be able to deal with it no issue. besides maybe the crossed or corporation supported one like Resident evil.

but id pose the question what would happen if the military was the one that turned into zombies, ether by large scale vaccinations gone wild or something else that takes a very long time to incubate.

The deal is, its not like the flu. Its carrier vectors would be incredibly different and easier to deal with. Even if very transmissable (lets assume as fast as any virus known) its still not going to create instant armies of zombie/rabies people overnight. Further, humans are really crappy at surviving without our brains. Take that away and we're literally dead meat. The dead can't rise, and any rabies guys who forget how to use a faucet or get to a river are going to be gone in a few days.

Its quite true, its really hard to believe that the military cant deal with zombies. and even then the weather and time alone will kill off all the zombies eventually. its still why i fear the crossed zombies :/ they still retain intellegence and can operate vehicles and stuff but are completely psychotic and gave into their primal instincts. (its fethed up yo)

**Frazzled**

Its quite true, its really hard to believe that the military cant deal with zombies. and even then the weather and time alone will kill off all the zombies eventually. its still why i fear the crossed zombies :/ they still retain intellegence and can operate vehicles and stuff but are completely psychotic and gave into their primal instincts. (its fethed up yo)

So they are Dark Eldar...or Vegas.

**Desubot**

Frazzled wrote:

Its quite true, its really hard to believe that the military cant deal with zombies. and even then the weather and time alone will kill off all the zombies eventually. its still why i fear the crossed zombies :/ they still retain intellegence and can operate vehicles and stuff but are completely psychotic and gave into their primal instincts. (its fethed up yo)

So they are Dark Eldar...or Vegas.

Vegas except its contagious. unless they just kill you.

**sirlynchmob**

Desubot wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Desubot wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Those assuming oil will be a problem have never been on a military base its everywhere. Even with that said, the military is believe it or not, capable of shooting things in the head. I have a very vivid mental image of a particularly Jihadi with a new mouth hole in his forehead.

But anyway, the military is capable of head shots, they have tracked vehicles that can run over zombies in their hundreds, they have vehicles like the MRAP that are capable of the same feats, not to mention that conventional bombers could destroy large concentrations before they even got to a military base.

No, in a zombie apocalypse the entire thing would end in a few days while the clean up, and tracking down of the last handful of zombies might take months. But this would not be a serious event in human history. According to a lot of bumper stickers and T-shirts I have seen, it will be a holiday for a lot of people.

Contrary to all those zombie movies im pretty sure 99% of the time the military will be able to deal with it no issue. besides maybe the crossed or corporation supported one like Resident evil.

but id pose the question what would happen if the military was the one that turned into zombies, ether by large scale vaccinations gone wild or something else that takes a very long time to incubate.

The deal is, its not like the flu. Its carrier vectors would be incredibly different and easier to deal with. Even if very transmissable (lets assume as fast as any virus known) its still not going to create instant armies of zombie/rabies people overnight. Further, humans are really crappy at surviving without our brains. Take that away and we're literally dead meat. The dead can't rise, and any rabies guys who forget how to use a faucet or get to a river are going to be gone in a few days.

Its quite true, its really hard to believe that the military cant deal with zombies. and even then the weather and time alone will kill off all the zombies eventually. its still why i fear the crossed zombies :/ they still retain intellegence and can operate vehicles and stuff but are completely psychotic and gave into their primal instincts. (its fethed up yo)

The military takes time to mobilize and plan, and the article I posted earlier shows how in 3 hours, a large section from north carolina to mass, and out to the Appalachia mountains would be zombie land. That's also ignoring the outbreak in chicago. The military does not have the forces to contain that large of an area, nor set up that large of a perimeter in 3 hours. I doubt a day would be enough time to even make a decent attempt at it. By the time the government realizes there's a problem, to organizing the military to defend against it, all the major cities could have fallen.

It really depends on the type of zombie though, if we're dealing with fast zombies with guns, then mankind is probably doomed.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1377290/?ref_=fn_al_tt_5

**SemperMortis**

sirlynchmob wrote:
Desubot wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Desubot wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Those assuming oil will be a problem have never been on a military base its everywhere. Even with that said, the military is believe it or not, capable of shooting things in the head. I have a very vivid mental image of a particularly Jihadi with a new mouth hole in his forehead.

But anyway, the military is capable of head shots, they have tracked vehicles that can run over zombies in their hundreds, they have vehicles like the MRAP that are capable of the same feats, not to mention that conventional bombers could destroy large concentrations before they even got to a military base.

No, in a zombie apocalypse the entire thing would end in a few days while the clean up, and tracking down of the last handful of zombies might take months. But this would not be a serious event in human history. According to a lot of bumper stickers and T-shirts I have seen, it will be a holiday for a lot of people.

Contrary to all those zombie movies im pretty sure 99% of the time the military will be able to deal with it no issue. besides maybe the crossed or corporation supported one like Resident evil.

but id pose the question what would happen if the military was the one that turned into zombies, ether by large scale vaccinations gone wild or something else that takes a very long time to incubate.

The deal is, its not like the flu. Its carrier vectors would be incredibly different and easier to deal with. Even if very transmissable (lets assume as fast as any virus known) its still not going to create instant armies of zombie/rabies people overnight. Further, humans are really crappy at surviving without our brains. Take that away and we're literally dead meat. The dead can't rise, and any rabies guys who forget how to use a faucet or get to a river are going to be gone in a few days.

Its quite true, its really hard to believe that the military cant deal with zombies. and even then the weather and time alone will kill off all the zombies eventually. its still why i fear the crossed zombies :/ they still retain intellegence and can operate vehicles and stuff but are completely psychotic and gave into their primal instincts. (its fethed up yo)

The military takes time to mobilize and plan, and the article I posted earlier shows how in 3 hours, a large section from north carolina to mass, and out to the Appalachia mountains would be zombie land. That's also ignoring the outbreak in chicago. The military does not have the forces to contain that large of an area, nor set up that large of a perimeter in 3 hours. I doubt a day would be enough time to even make a decent attempt at it. By the time the government realizes there's a problem, to organizing the military to defend against it, all the major cities could have fallen.

It really depends on the type of zombie though, if we're dealing with fast zombies with guns, then mankind is probably doomed.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1377290/?ref_=fn_al_tt_5

Then you sir have no idea about the USMC. At any given point in time they have 2-3 MEU's on standby in the US who are ready for deployment overseas in 24 hours, seeing as they don't have to board ship or do anything else except walk to the firing line I think 3 hours is more then enough time. on top of that you seem to think it would take a long time to mobilize...it wouldn't. If it happened during the day then 95% of the military on these bases would be at work and ready to go, it would be a simple matter of issuing weapons at the armories and handing out ammunition which in an emergency is relatively easy. We had a 12 man squad assigned to the benghazi relief that was ready to deploy over seas (weapons issued and shots updated) in less then 8 hours.

**sirlynchmob**

SemperMortis wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
Desubot wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Desubot wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Those assuming oil will be a problem have never been on a military base its everywhere. Even with that said, the military is believe it or not, capable of shooting things in the head. I have a very vivid mental image of a particularly Jihadi with a new mouth hole in his forehead.

But anyway, the military is capable of head shots, they have tracked vehicles that can run over zombies in their hundreds, they have vehicles like the MRAP that are capable of the same feats, not to mention that conventional bombers could destroy large concentrations before they even got to a military base.

No, in a zombie apocalypse the entire thing would end in a few days while the clean up, and tracking down of the last handful of zombies might take months. But this would not be a serious event in human history. According to a lot of bumper stickers and T-shirts I have seen, it will be a holiday for a lot of people.

Contrary to all those zombie movies im pretty sure 99% of the time the military will be able to deal with it no issue. besides maybe the crossed or corporation supported one like Resident evil.

but id pose the question what would happen if the military was the one that turned into zombies, ether by large scale vaccinations gone wild or something else that takes a very long time to incubate.

The deal is, its not like the flu. Its carrier vectors would be incredibly different and easier to deal with. Even if very transmissable (lets assume as fast as any virus known) its still not going to create instant armies of zombie/rabies people overnight. Further, humans are really crappy at surviving without our brains. Take that away and we're literally dead meat. The dead can't rise, and any rabies guys who forget how to use a faucet or get to a river are going to be gone in a few days.

Its quite true, its really hard to believe that the military cant deal with zombies. and even then the weather and time alone will kill off all the zombies eventually. its still why i fear the crossed zombies :/ they still retain intellegence and can operate vehicles and stuff but are completely psychotic and gave into their primal instincts. (its fethed up yo)

The military takes time to mobilize and plan, and the article I posted earlier shows how in 3 hours, a large section from north carolina to mass, and out to the Appalachia mountains would be zombie land. That's also ignoring the outbreak in chicago. The military does not have the forces to contain that large of an area, nor set up that large of a perimeter in 3 hours. I doubt a day would be enough time to even make a decent attempt at it. By the time the government realizes there's a problem, to organizing the military to defend against it, all the major cities could have fallen.

It really depends on the type of zombie though, if we're dealing with fast zombies with guns, then mankind is probably doomed.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1377290/?ref_=fn_al_tt_5

Then you sir have no idea about the USMC. At any given point in time they have 2-3 MEU's on standby in the US who are ready for deployment overseas in 24 hours, seeing as they don't have to board ship or do anything else except walk to the firing line I think 3 hours is more then enough time. on top of that you seem to think it would take a long time to mobilize...it wouldn't. If it happened during the day then 95% of the military on these bases would be at work and ready to go, it would be a simple matter of issuing weapons at the armories and handing out ammunition which in an emergency is relatively easy. We had a 12 man squad assigned to the benghazi relief that was ready to deploy over seas (weapons issued and shots updated) in less then 8 hours.

I do know about the USMC, those Navy guys are great. but would that 12 man team be able to issolate all of new york and keep any zombies from getting out? 8 hours is a long time, when you can lose new york city in 3. I know the US military is top notch, but they don't have the man power to quarantine new york. Or keep them supplied with enough bullets. there's only 182,000 active duty marines in the world, most of them are overseas, and you think that's enough to hold off 8,550,405 new yorker zombies?

and are 182,000 marines enough to cover a boarder of at a very minimum:

New York's width is about 320 mi (515 km) E-W, not including Long Island, which extends an additional 118 mi (190 km) SW-NE; the state's maximum N-S extension is about 310 mi (499 km). New York State is shaped roughly like a right triangle: the line from the extreme NE to the extreme SW forms the hypotenuse, with New York City as the right angle.

I don't think so, then in some location they'll run out of bullets, and have to fall back, allowing the zombies to claim more territory. You can see why no one would even order the military to try such an operation, when it's easier to set up defensive positions and consolidate your resources.

**Frazzled**

I'm confused, is the argument now that several states can be suddenly overrun in three hours with no warning?

Even CREEEEEEED and the IOM couldn't do that (Unless he had a Crassus armored transport tee hee).

**sirlynchmob**

Frazzled wrote:
I'm confused, is the argument now that several states can be suddenly overrun in three hours with no warning?

Even CREEEEEEED and the IOM couldn't do that (Unless he had a Crassus armored transport tee hee).

one person couldn't do it, but a self replicating army could. scroll up a bit to where I linked a huffington post link and a zombie simulator.

**Frazzled**

sirlynchmob wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
I'm confused, is the argument now that several states can be suddenly overrun in three hours with no warning?

Even CREEEEEEED and the IOM couldn't do that (Unless he had a Crassus armored transport tee hee).

one person couldn't do it, but a self replicating army could. scroll up a bit to where I linked a huffington post link and a zombie simulator.

Simulators also have the mantra GIGO.

Just the distance alone. Please inform me how a person runs several hundred miles in three hours. Someone set the program to "Ridiculous Stupid"
To achieve that Zombies would have to have access to massive air support, so they could drop all along the axis of advance to begin infecting people (Band of Zombies-101st The Moaning Zombies-Dead from Above!).

Again that works if the outbreak had actually swept the globe before and everyone is now spontaneously com busting as it were, or proverbial End Times, but in a scenario of rabies variant that can't happen with physics. People with rabies aren't suddenly, The Flash.

**djones520**

I'm worried... Frazzled just posted a well reasoned and thought out argument.

Maybe the zombie apoc is actually apon us?

**Kilkrazy**

I was going to make the same point. A zombie might shamble at a constant 1 mile an hour, not needing any rest but also having problems getting around obstacles and choke points, and occasionally stopping to eat some humans.

It would take a zombie in Brooklyn a couple of weeks to walk out of New York state and start infecting new areas. This also assumes that zombies actually will want to wander about all over the place. They might just stay near the place hey died, unless motivated by something.

However, if you assume that the speed of advance of the zombie plague is quite slow, days rather than minutes, then it's possible for infected people to get out of New York using fast transport and create new sources of infection in remote ares. However in this scenario, the fact that zombification takes a long time reduces the rate and number of people that get turned into zombies.

**djones520**

Pretty much, if we're going with the standard has to bite someone to spread the disease scenario, we aren't talking a spread like occured in The Stand.

Someone may get bitten early on before cordons are established, freak, and drive 500 miles before he turns, but even then he'll only hit an isolated area. The government by that point will be on the alert for such and will be able to react quickly.

The only way we should end up seeing a total collapse is if it turns out to be something like Walking Dead, where everyone somehow gets infected, and it required getting dead to activate the disease.

**Frazzled**

djones520 wrote:
I'm worried... Frazzled just posted a well reasoned and thought out argument.

Maybe the zombie apoc is actually apon us?

The honor, is to serve.*

*braaaaiiiinnnzzzzzzz.....

**SemperMortis**

The example I made was that with no prior warning my unit of 100-120 individuals was able to prepare a 12 man team for a prolonged overseas deployment in that short amount of time. Another example would be the MEU that was sent to Haiti after the natural disaster there, those marines were on leave after coming off a prolonged float, within 24 hours of recall the unit deployed. And in that example the marines were on leave around the United States.

could 12 Marines hold NY? no but I never made that argument and yours is rather foolish to even think that. the USMC is 180-190k strong, Camp Lejeune has about 45k Marines (Not counting the massive amounts of IIR and retired Marines who would voluntarily come back to service in the local area alone) If NY was suddenly plunged into a zombie apocalypse it would take days if not weeks for the zombies to get to NC. By that point in time the area would have been secured against such an outbreak and the military would have been bombing the gak out of the Zombies the entire way, so that by the time they got there it would be nothing to stop the handful left over.

The Idea of a zombie outbreak is fun but unrealistic, just like 40k is fun, but unrealistic.

**Frazzled**

I imagine if there were multiple million zombies heading out from Yonkers (WWZ reference) and couldn't be stopped by massed air strikes, you'd see KT sized nukes deployed.

ORRRRR

Just run through them with a line of APCs, tanks, and common tractors. Enough Crush and Grind to make Zhukov drink a shot.

Unless... Zombie Patton were leading them.

"moannn"
Translation: "We will wade into them! We are going to grab them by the nose and kick them in the ass! We are going to go through them like crap through a Goose! Dog you know I almost feel sorry for the bastards."