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We're not farmers.....or gardners.....or green thumbs......a cactus can die on me

I dont recall can 28 day zombies operate simple equipment like vehicles? or are they far gone?

If i was forced to do local survival then id try to go to the closest mountains probably big bear. quietly attempt to farm things like potatoes and use snow for a water source. dont want no contaminated ground water.

if zombies b zombies then they should all rot away within a year or so. if walking dead zombies then probably 3-5 years.

edit: im not a navel man. but do air carriers have water purification systems? also i beleive most are run on nuclear power too so you would need to know how to run those systems which could be a problem

otherwise as a man made island maybe not bad.

Those carriers are mothballed. Though I understand that the elevators and stuff are still powered from a outside source. So figure generators. I know where 60K generators are located. Except I would move it inside and operate the elevators and cranes with a secure power source. Also moving fuel tanks inside.

 Desubot wrote:
I dont recall can 28 day zombies operate simple equipment like vehicles? or are they far gone?

If i was forced to do local survival then id try to go to the closest mountains probably big bear. quietly attempt to farm things like potatoes and use snow for a water source. dont want no contaminated ground water.

if zombies b zombies then they should all rot away within a year or so. if walking dead zombies then probably 3-5 years.

edit: im not a navel man. but do air carriers have water purification systems? also i beleive most are run on nuclear power too so you would need to know how to run those systems which could be a problem

otherwise as a man made island maybe not bad.

every ship in the navy has purifiers to take in salt water and make it fresh water. But as those carriers look like they've been drydocked/mothballed, they'd take a huge overhaul and influx of equipment to get to operate in the simpliest of capacities. For other ships that have been mothballed, there's a good chance they won't have any engines either, which you'd need to make power. Go figure, the worlds greatest navy rents it's engines.

but they are highly secure areas to live in, unless the zombies can climb ropes. Just one way in or out, and that can be removed manually with enough people. Then you can have living areas sectioned off by water tight doors that the dumber zombies could never open, but that can also leave you trapped inside with no way out. Always have an escape plan.

If you can find a ship that had been operation, yet got abandoned during the outbreak, you'd have all the manuals to run all the systems of the ship. And while that would be fun for about a week, once the fuel is gone you're dead in the water.

My plan remains the same, hide up in the attic for a week til my supplies run low. Mainly to see if the army/police can get a handle on the situation. During that week, I'm breaking into all the connecting town houses and making a path to the roof. After that it really depends on what I can see, if it looks clear I'll drive to costco (a 3k trip). A wherehouse with 1 main entrance which can be blocked off and a inner fence and garage doors. Mine has a huge propane tank, I'd assume it has a backup generator as they store food there, so by the time I get there the food should still be good. Then it's all about the garden on the roof, hammocks high enough they can't be reached, and a good supply of books & games to keep me amused while passing the time.

if the place is swarmed with zombies, then it's still the same plan, but setting off diversions and heading the other way. The whole 3k trip is a shopping spree for hiding locations. drug stores, bars, convenience stores, and a mall. the mall is 2k away, and it has the GW store, so that could be a good spot to hang out a while

Mmm only reason i want to avoid those super stores is because for the most part, they would probably be completely ransacked as well any other retail shops.

Id be mostly concerned with water, food, then safety. making sure i have clean drinking water that isnt contaminated by zombines, enough non perishable food to survive at least a year (assuming decomposition still works) and a location that can be well defended or hidden (from other people as well) with a good escape route. not many places really have that in one go. certainly one or two. but all 3 might be difficult unless you are lucky enough to have one of those coldwar fallout shelter handy

it also depends on how many people are left, and how many are going full raider.

im kinda thinking farms or small towns with an available water tower maybe. otherwise possibly a hydro electric power plant. if you could run it, you could divert all the power into making hydrogen and oxygen for pure water. you could find salt and stuff around as i could assume people wouldnt bother with that kinda stuff.

28 Days Later zombies are good at running around and can go up and down stairs. They can't open doors or dismantle simple barricades. When not disturbed they seem to go into a state of torpor, and are aroused by noise and light.

Naval vessels take a feth-ton of maintenance to keep operational. You're not going to have that after the zombies start rampaging. Then there's the fact that the military won't let you take their carriers from them.

They may, however, allow people on. They military's main goal in this sort of senario would be to save as many people as possible. Mass transport to un-infected areas would be a good use for any carrier not currently used for fighting.

Those carriers are decommissioned

Well, I was more talking carriers in general. Although tge decommissioned ones might be good for housing refugees in a safe place before transport arrives.

Although not for farming as was originally suggested. I'm not sure how you're going to get that much topsoil loaded aboard in the middle of a global emergency.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Although not for farming as was originally suggested. I'm not sure how you're going to get that much topsoil loaded aboard in the middle of a global emergency.

...Not to keep bringing it up. Crossed had the folks go out and scavenge a canal dredger for their soil. Unless the waterways are blocked (and watch out for bridges), you can up sticks and transport your soil wherever you like. In the end fuel's an issue, but the intent with one of those is to eventually find a safe island, etc and then just dump all the dirt. The intent in that comic was to dump it all on some colonial fort in the Caribbean ...but dredgers aren't really suited for hugging a couple of thousand miles of coastline.

I live and work in a 17th century building with 3 feet thick walls and its only period armoury (plus my own swords) - friends often joke they are coming to me when the Zombies rise...... I might even let them in.................

During a zombie apocalypse I would just go to the nearest LARGE military base. Because regardless of every Sci-Fi book/movie/TV show says they will be the safest place. Why? because guns and ......more guns and tanks and artillery and close air support and did I mention the guns?

TWD and FTWD all make there characters into these indestructible zombie killing machines that slay zombies with knives faster then you can blink an eye. And yet the US military, all armed with M16s, M4s, M240s, M249s and M2s (not getting into heavier ordinance) can't kill zombies before they are over run?

My favorite scene in FTWD is when the army guys go into the building and you hear lots of shooting and then something like 2 of them walk out and the rest are all dead and the zombies won somehow, flash forward a few episodes and the zombies over run the military installation but the civilians somehow survive and out fight the military.

If this ever were to happen then you better believe that the Military would lay waste to hundreds of thousands of zombies, not to mention that most major military installations are VERY secluded. Camp Lejeune is in Jacksonville NC, a city with a population of about 70,000, where as Camp Lejeune at any given point has around 40-47,000 Marines and Sailors on deck.

So every Scifi story involving zombies in America is saying is that 70,000 braindead zombies some how manage to over run and kill 40-47k trained Marines who all have easy access to arms, not to mention the tanks/artillery/CAS they can easily use.

Body wave....only goes down from head shots. Logistical train to support your 40-47K Marine trigger pullers at Camp Lejeune. I can see a task force coming down off the beaches of Lejuene and going out by sea. Shrinking the perimeter little by little as all resources are carted off or secured. If this is turning into a Zombie war.

Let's change it up.

NC, SC, Lower VA


Assemble the military and clear out those states. Securing two major bases. SC Charleston for a certain port there (bullet boat and AHA there). 10th Mountain secures a huge footprint in NY...

SemperMortis wrote:
During a zombie apocalypse I would just go to the nearest LARGE military base. Because regardless of every Sci-Fi book/movie/TV show says they will be the safest place. Why? because guns and ......more guns and tanks and artillery and close air support and did I mention the guns?

TWD and FTWD all make there characters into these indestructible zombie killing machines that slay zombies with knives faster then you can blink an eye. And yet the US military, all armed with M16s, M4s, M240s, M249s and M2s (not getting into heavier ordinance) can't kill zombies before they are over run?

My favorite scene in FTWD is when the army guys go into the building and you hear lots of shooting and then something like 2 of them walk out and the rest are all dead and the zombies won somehow, flash forward a few episodes and the zombies over run the military installation but the civilians somehow survive and out fight the military.

If this ever were to happen then you better believe that the Military would lay waste to hundreds of thousands of zombies, not to mention that most major military installations are VERY secluded. Camp Lejeune is in Jacksonville NC, a city with a population of about 70,000, where as Camp Lejeune at any given point has around 40-47,000 Marines and Sailors on deck.

So every Scifi story involving zombies in America is saying is that 70,000 braindead zombies some how manage to over run and kill 40-47k trained Marines who all have easy access to arms, not to mention the tanks/artillery/CAS they can easily use.

the military is taught to aim for center mass, not head shots. so when they get in over their head and start to panic, they rely on their training, Center mass.

sirlynchmob wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
During a zombie apocalypse I would just go to the nearest LARGE military base. Because regardless of every Sci-Fi book/movie/TV show says they will be the safest place. Why? because guns and ......more guns and tanks and artillery and close air support and did I mention the guns?

TWD and FTWD all make there characters into these indestructible zombie killing machines that slay zombies with knives faster then you can blink an eye. And yet the US military, all armed with M16s, M4s, M240s, M249s and M2s (not getting into heavier ordinance) can't kill zombies before they are over run?

My favorite scene in FTWD is when the army guys go into the building and you hear lots of shooting and then something like 2 of them walk out and the rest are all dead and the zombies won somehow, flash forward a few episodes and the zombies over run the military installation but the civilians somehow survive and out fight the military.

If this ever were to happen then you better believe that the Military would lay waste to hundreds of thousands of zombies, not to mention that most major military installations are VERY secluded. Camp Lejeune is in Jacksonville NC, a city with a population of about 70,000, where as Camp Lejeune at any given point has around 40-47,000 Marines and Sailors on deck.

So every Scifi story involving zombies in America is saying is that 70,000 braindead zombies some how manage to over run and kill 40-47k trained Marines who all have easy access to arms, not to mention the tanks/artillery/CAS they can easily use.

the military is taught to aim for center mass, not head shots. so when they get in over their head and start to panic, they rely on their training, Center mass.

But civilians with no weapons training and most having never fired a gun can somehow hit that many head shots? and you keep forgetting...TANKS! how the hell do zombies deal with tanks? that is never really explained in any kind of way. Hell just make a fortified position with high walls and a double gate that allows tanks in and out and in between kills the zombies that come in with the doors opening. The 120mm isn't going to be as useful per say but it still has a 7.62 Cupola Machine gun on that thing, not to mention Crushing zombies under its treads as it goes along.

SemperMortis wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
During a zombie apocalypse I would just go to the nearest LARGE military base. Because regardless of every Sci-Fi book/movie/TV show says they will be the safest place. Why? because guns and ......more guns and tanks and artillery and close air support and did I mention the guns?

TWD and FTWD all make there characters into these indestructible zombie killing machines that slay zombies with knives faster then you can blink an eye. And yet the US military, all armed with M16s, M4s, M240s, M249s and M2s (not getting into heavier ordinance) can't kill zombies before they are over run?

My favorite scene in FTWD is when the army guys go into the building and you hear lots of shooting and then something like 2 of them walk out and the rest are all dead and the zombies won somehow, flash forward a few episodes and the zombies over run the military installation but the civilians somehow survive and out fight the military.

If this ever were to happen then you better believe that the Military would lay waste to hundreds of thousands of zombies, not to mention that most major military installations are VERY secluded. Camp Lejeune is in Jacksonville NC, a city with a population of about 70,000, where as Camp Lejeune at any given point has around 40-47,000 Marines and Sailors on deck.

So every Scifi story involving zombies in America is saying is that 70,000 braindead zombies some how manage to over run and kill 40-47k trained Marines who all have easy access to arms, not to mention the tanks/artillery/CAS they can easily use.

the military is taught to aim for center mass, not head shots. so when they get in over their head and start to panic, they rely on their training, Center mass.

But civilians with no weapons training and most having never fired a gun can somehow hit that many head shots? and you keep forgetting...TANKS! how the hell do zombies deal with tanks? that is never really explained in any kind of way. Hell just make a fortified position with high walls and a double gate that allows tanks in and out and in between kills the zombies that come in with the doors opening. The 120mm isn't going to be as useful per say but it still has a 7.62 Cupola Machine gun on that thing, not to mention Crushing zombies under its treads as it goes along.

Also, artillery. You don't need to get headshots when you can just annihilate zombies with artillery shells from miles away.

Also, artillery. You don't need to get headshots when you can just annihilate zombies with artillery shells from miles away.

exactly

The problem with fortified positions is delt with in almost all zombie apoc stories. Infected or rising dead will turn inside your compound at some point and the quickly spread, causing rioting and mass death from within.

It's how the evacuation centers were wiped out in Dawn of the Dead and The Walking Dead.

The idea of military training was delt with in the WWZ novel. They where using weapons designed to kill, not maim or dismember, but to pierce through the body, and aimed for center mass. So they failed because the zombie can keep going with a bullet hole.



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Not to mention what kind of people you would want in your zombie apocalypse team
1: Soldiers and Fighters obviously
2: People who can grow food. I would say go almost completely Vegan in a zombie apocalypse. Why? You dont know about the disease and if animals can carry is, but not be infected? What if that cow got bite by a zombie and is carrying the thing?
3: Laborers. people to do lifting, to plant food.
4: Psych counselors, Seriously, this will mess people up, you need someone there
5: Logistical Team: People to delegate supplies, food rations ammo, people whose whole job its it to do that stuff. Like a quatermaster kinda.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The idea of military training was delt with in the WWZ novel. They where using weapons designed to kill, not maim or dismember, but to pierce through the body, and aimed for center mass. So they failed because the zombie can keep going with a bullet hole.



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Not to mention what kind of people you would want in your zombie apocalypse team
1: Soldiers and Fighters obviously
2: People who can grow food. I would say go almost completely Vegan in a zombie apocalypse. Why? You dont know about the disease and if animals can carry is, but not be infected? What if that cow got bite by a zombie and is carrying the thing?
3: Laborers. people to do lifting, to plant food.
4: Psych counselors, Seriously, this will mess people up, you need someone there
5: Logistical Team: People to delegate supplies, food rations ammo, people whose whole job its it to do that stuff. Like a quatermaster kinda.

Im sorry I can't take this seriously, in World War Z they used weapons designed to kill not maim or dismember and that explains why the military isn't effective? And yet every movie/film/book has the survivors who are capable of killing thousands of zombies by themselves, equipped with the same M16s, M4s and 9mm.

In the military they do a thing called "Failure to stop drill" which is two to the chest and one to the head, so the idea that the military isn't trained to shoot at the head is...well false. Nor does it make sense that a fortified position gets over run because infection gets in. Yes they show it in every single zombie film and book but they always give half baked reasons how the zombies get in. *Carl gets bit, hides the bite, gets in the base, dies and infects everyone* failing to realize that the second a base compromised it would go on lock down and the zombies would be quickly contained. QRFs are always on standby so a large group of soldiers/marines would always be armed at any given point so there goes that theory as well.

I understand its fun to think about the whole idea of surviving a zombie apocalypse but in reality it would never happen because the military, even though the movie industry likes to disagree frequently, is more then capable of handling a situation like that. I would put my family's safety in the hands of 47,000 trained US Marines a lot more readily then a handful of civilians who can over power hordes of zombies with a knife.....

Go read WWz and you will see what I mean and why the military wasnt effective on the homefront.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Go read WWz and you will see what I mean and why the military wasnt effective on the homefront.

So for my opinion based on facts,research into weapons, and military tactics to be more valid I have to read a fictional book that claims to know why the military would fail in a zombie apocalypse. The author of WWZ is Mel Brooks kid and has no military training, though he apparently got a BA in history.....god knows how because it also says he dropped out.

The military in a zombie apocalypse would win in its local areas, from there who knows, massed hordes of zombies aren't especially scary though because god loves us and provided the world with Napalm and the A-10 Warthog. However, rooting out all traces of the infection would be costly and take years if not decades, but I really don't foresee a scenario where the military would lose, unless the military was the ones who all became zombies, IE injected around the same time with the new flue vaccine that turns them all into zombies. then good luck to you

Ok no. the wwz zombies are not shambling undead. they are fast zombies. with hordes of numbers. it specifically says they have a hard time because their tactics and training are meant against thinking foes.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok no. the wwz zombies are not shambling undead. they are fast zombies. with hordes of numbers. it specifically says they have a hard time because their tactics and training are meant against thinking foes.

Well yes and no, the tactics side is meant to out think your opponent but the author places little to zero faith in the fact that the military is capable of rapidly changing tactics. If flanking and suppressing fire doesn't work, then good old lead walls work.

a Well supplied infantry fire team can pump out literally a thousand rounds a minute of aimed 5.56mm. I understand in WWZ the zombies moved fast and what not, but if 4 guys in a fire team can put out that much dakka and every squad has 3 fire teams and every platoon has 3 squads then a single platoon can put out something like 9,000 rounds a minute, and thats not including support from the Weapons companies who are usually attached to the line companies. And again, nobody has yet to answer me how zombies are capable of cracking open a Tank. Or for that matter how they intend to over run buildings such as Armories/SCIFs that when the doors are shut are basically impregnable unless you have some explosives. And in the case of the armories they still have fire points (the armored windows that a human can't fit through)

So if only 1 out of every 50 shots is a head shot they are still dropping 180 zombies a minute thats a lot of dead bodies and pretty soon the zombies are going to be spending more time climbing over the dead then running forward.

Not even just kills.

Shatter a leg bine, knee etc, no running.
Arm broken, one armed attack.
Shrapnal wound to eye, vision damaged.

You can reduce combat effectiveness
Zombie still human to a degree. Sever say a spinal cord....
Not so powerful.

Bradley apc has a 25mm he cannon. No issue there. .50 cal rounds hit like trucks, and while banned, exp ammo and dumdums suddenly are not vs the undead.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok no. the wwz zombies are not shambling undead. they are fast zombies. with hordes of numbers. it specifically says they have a hard time because their tactics and training are meant against thinking foes.

So according to the book, in real life, the best chance to survive against soldiers is just running straight towards them

if you have the ability to ignore pain and alot of injuries.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
if you have the ability to ignore pain and alot of injuries.

Shattered leg bones and joints still despite the lack of pain do not work properly.
Same with arms etc.