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 Frazzled wrote:
I imagine if there were multiple million zombies heading out from Yonkers (WWZ reference) and couldn't be stopped by massed air strikes, you'd see KT sized nukes deployed.

No, they would just start carpet bombing. Trust me, some B52s and all the other conventional aircraft are more then capable of laying waste to the entirety of NYC in a few days. Plus you have to factor in fires. Drop firebombs and that whole city (without a Fire department) is going to go up in a matter of a day at most. Most zombies would be crispy and the ones that escaped could be hunted down by conventional aircraft and QRFs from the NY National Guard and other military units sent to help. Again, Zombie apocalypse fun to think about, but bordering on the impossible.

Very true, unless the Zombies had Zombie LeMay. Then they would be bombing You!

LeMay did it, like a boss, with B-29s, and SCIENCE.

What happens if zombie jesus comes though?
Or worse, Zombie Nixon?

Zombies work by magic,

by actual magic,
or wierd strength enhancing and mutating viruses,
alien tech or whatever....

Otherwise corpses wouldn't last, would have little to no strength or even ability to move, very quickly loose any chance of pentetrating flesh with their teeth never mind, clothes or leather. They might get you whilst you slept - if you left the doors open and slept naked in the porch.

They vary too much to have a coherent plan to work against All Zombies..............

I kinda want to make a comedy movie now about nerds who wanted to prepare for zombies, but then an actual zombie apocalypse happens and their misadventures.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I kinda want to make a comedy movie now about nerds who wanted to prepare for zombies, but then an actual zombie apocalypse happens and their misadventures.

Me thinks it has been done...and recently

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What happens if zombie jesus comes though?
Or worse, Zombie Nixon?

Zombie Jesus: already happened.

Zombie Nixon: He would call in an Arclight mission on his own position. Because thats how he rolled.

SemperMortis wrote:
The example I made was that with no prior warning my unit of 100-120 individuals was able to prepare a 12 man team for a prolonged overseas deployment in that short amount of time. Another example would be the MEU that was sent to Haiti after the natural disaster there, those marines were on leave after coming off a prolonged float, within 24 hours of recall the unit deployed. And in that example the marines were on leave around the United States.


could 12 Marines hold NY? no but I never made that argument and yours is rather foolish to even think that. the USMC is 180-190k strong, Camp Lejeune has about 45k Marines (Not counting the massive amounts of IIR and retired Marines who would voluntarily come back to service in the local area alone) If NY was suddenly plunged into a zombie apocalypse it would take days if not weeks for the zombies to get to NC. By that point in time the area would have been secured against such an outbreak and the military would have been bombing the gak out of the Zombies the entire way, so that by the time they got there it would be nothing to stop the handful left over.

The Idea of a zombie outbreak is fun but unrealistic, just like 40k is fun, but unrealistic.

I was just going with your example, you claim it takes 8 hours to deploy just a 12 man team. And now you've given up on containment from the start and are securing NC. Which gives the zombies more time to grow their numbers and disrupt the infrastructure. Wouldn't that be something, during the zombie apoc, america bombs the world trade centers ground zero memorial. jet fuel doesn't last long when in constant use and when you allow the zombies to disrupt the places that make the fuel, and block off routes to get you the fuel. Or your own jets bombed the bridges trying to keep the zombies out, and cut off any hope of bringing in new supplies.

I agree, these threads are always fun

Jet fuel is not made in NYC.

As a Texan I fully support abandoning Yankeeland.

Blow the bridges. Napalm Zombie Manhatten. Come home and drink a Manhatten.

Whew, that nuclear strike sure took care of those zombies. Nothing like a cleansing rain to wash away the darkness. Man, my skin is really itchy....

It's all fun and games until your realize they are Return of the Living Dead Zombies.

I was just going with your example, you claim it takes 8 hours to deploy just a 12 man team. And now you've given up on containment from the start and are securing NC. Which gives the zombies more time to grow their numbers and disrupt the infrastructure. Wouldn't that be something, during the zombie apoc, america bombs the world trade centers ground zero memorial. jet fuel doesn't last long when in constant use and when you allow the zombies to disrupt the places that make the fuel, and block off routes to get you the fuel. Or your own jets bombed the bridges trying to keep the zombies out, and cut off any hope of bringing in new supplies.

Well my example was taking 12 guys literally out of weekend libo, getting them ready for a prolonged OCONUS deployment and getting them to Cherry point to await a flight out.

IF it was as simple as keeping Marines in the US and fighting it would be significantly easier and could be done on a massively larger scale. On top of that I never said I would contain NYC, my scenario revolved around securing the local area, NC has the entire 2nd MEF as well as Fort Bragg (82nd Airborne and a few other divisions) as well as Seymoor Johnson Airbase, MCAS Cherry Point not to mention New River Air station as well as the local state units. So it would be entirely feasible to establish a cordon in that state and move out to secure other states.

SemperMortis wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I imagine if there were multiple million zombies heading out from Yonkers (WWZ reference) and couldn't be stopped by massed air strikes, you'd see KT sized nukes deployed.

No, they would just start carpet bombing. Trust me, some B52s and all the other conventional aircraft are more then capable of laying waste to the entirety of NYC in a few days. Plus you have to factor in fires. Drop firebombs and that whole city (without a Fire department) is going to go up in a matter of a day at most. Most zombies would be crispy and the ones that escaped could be hunted down by conventional aircraft and QRFs from the NY National Guard and other military units sent to help. Again, Zombie apocalypse fun to think about, but bordering on the impossible.

By the time the USAF gets around to doing just that, it will be too late. It will be a case of bolting the barn door after the horse has escaped.


Governments are the WORST when it comes to dealing with major disasters, for a variety of reasons. All you have to do is look at real-life examples like Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina. When the Los Angeles Riots broke out and got going full swing, just as with the Newark and Watts Riots back in the 1960's, the only thing they could do is contain it until it burned it self out.

That's how it will be handled at first. The authorities primary goal, at first, is to maintain order. Mostly by means that will do more harm than good in the long run. By the time the full scope of what's happening becomes apparent, the military itself will go into panic mode and finally scramble to deal with the real problem. But, like I said before, it will be too late. Things will be out of hand.

There are over 300 million people in the United States, with most of the population highly concentrated. The infection will spread fast enough that you will have major problems by the time people get out that "HURR DURR" state. You also have to contend with the living, which will accelerate the breakdown of order, in the forms of panic and civil unrest. Civilian emergency services and institutions, especially the police, will be overwhelmed between 3 days and one week. That will put excessive strain on the National Guard and sooner or later, they will also break.

Some States still have State Militias. But most of them haven't been used for emergencies in decades, becoming nothing more than taxpayer-funded "social clubs" and window dressing, not to mention "politically incorrect" by the 1990's. Because of that, most of them will be useless when things get really bad, if called up (and it's members answer the call) to begin with.

Knowing history, and being ex-military myself, it's a sad fact that active duty troops make poor law enforcers and peacekeepers on the home front. The rules of engagement will be different for Federal troops when called into action to deal domestic emergencies, as opposed to overseas warfighting, peacekeeping, and nation-building. When you have a group whose major reason to exist is to kill people and break things, that ties their hands significantly.

Sophisticated military hardware requires a substantial civilian support base to continue to function in the long term. That's why strategic total war doctrines are so effective. Troops can't build Abrams MBTs and Bradleys. BB Stackers can't fabricate Mk. 82s. The more sophisticated the equipment, the quicker it will break down without the civilian element in logistics and it's tech/industrial/resource base. Add in the fact that critical industry and tech firms are located in high population areas, and you have serious issues with long term sustainability of a major, modern military's capacity for warfighting. In other words, those B-52s might not be in operational condition for long enough to be effective against a widespread outbreak.

Destroying an infection with fire, as it were, only works if you have people that know how to make fire, or the means to keep the torches burning. If you don't, then burning the bodies isn't going to help in the slightest in stopping the spread of infection. Europeans learned this during the Black Death. The same principle applies to our modern, technological society.


In the end,the best way to deal with this hypothetical scenario is to nip it in the bud in the earliest stages, and take measures to slow/prevent the spread. However, politicians and their appointees are only Human. Politics, self-interests, emotion, and just plain incompetence will be the order of the day. So, you can scratch that. That's why if you rely on "the government" to come in and "do something", you will, at best, be disappointed.

Your best bet is to look after yourself and fellow group members, and go with a worst case scenario. Be self-sufficient and smart to survive. Don't wait for a bunch of bureaucrats to do it for you, because the odds are against them.

You best bet is to look after yourself and fellow group members, and go with a worst case scenario. Be self-sufficient and smart to survive. Don't wait for a bunch of bureaucrats to do it for you, because the odds are against them.

Remember, no prepper outside of Texas ever survives the Zombie games, because they forget the best defense is offense!

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I imagine if there were multiple million zombies heading out from Yonkers (WWZ reference) and couldn't be stopped by massed air strikes, you'd see KT sized nukes deployed.

No, they would just start carpet bombing. Trust me, some B52s and all the other conventional aircraft are more then capable of laying waste to the entirety of NYC in a few days. Plus you have to factor in fires. Drop firebombs and that whole city (without a Fire department) is going to go up in a matter of a day at most. Most zombies would be crispy and the ones that escaped could be hunted down by conventional aircraft and QRFs from the NY National Guard and other military units sent to help. Again, Zombie apocalypse fun to think about, but bordering on the impossible.

By the time the USAF gets around to doing just that, it will be too late. It will be a case of bolting the barn door after the horse has escaped.


Governments are the WORST when it comes to dealing with major disasters, for a variety of reasons. All you have to do is look at real-life examples like Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina. When the Los Angeles Riots broke out and got going full swing, just as with the Newark and Watts Riots back in the 1960's, the only thing they could do is contain it until it burned it self out.

That's how it will be handled at first. The authorities primary goal, at first, is to maintain order. Mostly by means that will do more harm than good in the long run. By the time the full scope of what's happening becomes apparent, the military itself will go into panic mode and finally scramble to deal with the real problem. But, like I said before, it will be too late. Things will be out of hand.

There are over 300 million people in the United States, with most of the population highly concentrated. The infection will spread fast enough that you will have major problems by the time people get out that "HURR DURR" state. You also have to contend with the living, which will accelerate the breakdown of order, in the forms of panic and civil unrest. Civilian emergency services and institutions, especially the police, will be overwhelmed between 3 days and one week. That will put excessive strain on the National Guard and sooner or later, they will also break.

Some States still have State Militias. But most of them haven't been used for emergencies in decades, becoming nothing more than taxpayer-funded "social clubs" and window dressing, not to mention "politically incorrect" by the 1990's. Because of that, most of them will be useless when things get really bad, if called up (and it's members answer the call) to begin with.

Knowing history, and being ex-military myself, it's a sad fact that active duty troops make poor law enforcers and peacekeepers on the home front. The rules of engagement will be different for Federal troops when called into action to deal domestic emergencies, as opposed to overseas warfighting, peacekeeping, and nation-building. When you have a group whose major reason to exist is to kill people and break things, that ties their hands significantly.

Sophisticated military hardware requires a substantial civilian support base to continue to function in the long term. That's why strategic total war doctrines are so effective. Troops can't build Abrams MBTs and Bradleys. BB Stackers can't fabricate Mk. 82s. The more sophisticated the equipment, the quicker it will break down without the civilian element in logistics and it's tech/industrial/resource base. Add in the fact that critical industry and tech firms are located in high population areas, and you have serious issues with long term sustainability of a major, modern military's capacity for warfighting. In other words, those B-52s might not be in operational condition for long enough to be effective against a widespread outbreak.

Destroying an infection with fire, as it were, only works if you have people that know how to make fire, or the means to keep the torches burning. If you don't, then burning the bodies isn't going to help in the slightest in stopping the spread of infection. Europeans learned this during the Black Death. The same principle applies to our modern, technological society.


In the end,the best way to deal with this hypothetical scenario is to nip it in the bud in the earliest stages, and take measures to slow/prevent the spread. However, politicians and their appointees are only Human. Politics, self-interests, emotion, and just plain incompetence will be the order of the day. So, you can scratch that. That's why if you rely on "the government" to come in and "do something", you will, at best, be disappointed.

Your best bet is to look after yourself and fellow group members, and go with a worst case scenario. Be self-sufficient and smart to survive. Don't wait for a bunch of bureaucrats to do it for you, because the odds are against them.

Some States still have State Militias. But most of them haven't been used for emergencies in decades, becoming nothing more than taxpayer-funded "social clubs" and window dressing, not to mention "politically incorrect" by the 1990's. Because of that, most of them will be useless when things get really bad, if called up (and it's members answer the call) to begin with.

Thats why they have National Guards now. While I agree that the government is slow to do much of anything, I believe that a true national emergency like this would have the same effect as pearl harbor or September 11th, IE they were looking for targets within hours. Katrina was a disaster as we all know but that is because FEMA became a dumping ground for political appointees and campaign supporters. The Military is more then capable of laying waste to a city like NYC in a matter of a day. As far as burning them out? If we can't make Napalm and other combustibles then the world is lost already because that is literally in the handbook.

Anyway I still say a zombie out break would be over in days and the purging would continue for a few months depending on how far it spread before it was quashed.

Yaknow all this government talk reminds me

I remember Hearing that the CDC actually has plans for a zombie outbreak.

What if the zombies can't open simple doors or gates? Hard to form an unstoppable horde when you can't get out your own bathroom.

Yeah, "government" responses depend a lot on the actual people involved. A lot of times you don't really even hear about the successes, because that is situation normal and the problem is cut off before it ever goes anywhere. Ebola was neutered pretty quick.

A lot of time the slow response is because we are a free society and the situations involve individual action. You can tell people to evacuate, calm down, or whatever, but it's a lot tougher to force them. And with forces of nature, you aren't stopping it- you are just hoping to minimize casualties and rebuild. And even in Katrina, NO was repaired and rebuilt. Certainly much better than the responses to the Black Plague! But yeah, if everybody decides to act let a gak head or wait for "someone else to do it", nothing works; that is the very definition of societal breakdown.

Any problem so immense it cripples the US nationally probably is a cataclysm level catastrophe that all the prep in the world isn't going to help with. That's the problem with zombies/nuke/whatever scenarios. Either we can deal with them or we can't. And if it's so severe we can't, it doesn't really matter anyway.

 Desubot wrote:
Yaknow all this government talk reminds me

I remember Hearing that the CDC actually has plans for a zombie outbreak.

Yes they do, check the link and join the taskforce, you'll even get a T-shirt

http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011/05/preparedness-101-zombie-apocalypse/

Oh and get back in minecraft, You need to see my new storage area

Frazzled wrote:

You best bet is to look after yourself and fellow group members, and go with a worst case scenario. Be self-sufficient and smart to survive. Don't wait for a bunch of bureaucrats to do it for you, because the odds are against them.

Remember, no prepper outside of Texas ever survives the Zombie games, because they forget the best defense is offense!

Like that blond gal said in Diary of the Dead, "Don't Mess With Texas", huh?

SemperMortis wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I imagine if there were multiple million zombies heading out from Yonkers (WWZ reference) and couldn't be stopped by massed air strikes, you'd see KT sized nukes deployed.

No, they would just start carpet bombing. Trust me, some B52s and all the other conventional aircraft are more then capable of laying waste to the entirety of NYC in a few days. Plus you have to factor in fires. Drop firebombs and that whole city (without a Fire department) is going to go up in a matter of a day at most. Most zombies would be crispy and the ones that escaped could be hunted down by conventional aircraft and QRFs from the NY National Guard and other military units sent to help. Again, Zombie apocalypse fun to think about, but bordering on the impossible.

By the time the USAF gets around to doing just that, it will be too late. It will be a case of bolting the barn door after the horse has escaped.


Governments are the WORST when it comes to dealing with major disasters, for a variety of reasons. All you have to do is look at real-life examples like Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina. When the Los Angeles Riots broke out and got going full swing, just as with the Newark and Watts Riots back in the 1960's, the only thing they could do is contain it until it burned it self out.

That's how it will be handled at first. The authorities primary goal, at first, is to maintain order. Mostly by means that will do more harm than good in the long run. By the time the full scope of what's happening becomes apparent, the military itself will go into panic mode and finally scramble to deal with the real problem. But, like I said before, it will be too late. Things will be out of hand.

There are over 300 million people in the United States, with most of the population highly concentrated. The infection will spread fast enough that you will have major problems by the time people get out that "HURR DURR" state. You also have to contend with the living, which will accelerate the breakdown of order, in the forms of panic and civil unrest. Civilian emergency services and institutions, especially the police, will be overwhelmed between 3 days and one week. That will put excessive strain on the National Guard and sooner or later, they will also break.

Some States still have State Militias. But most of them haven't been used for emergencies in decades, becoming nothing more than taxpayer-funded "social clubs" and window dressing, not to mention "politically incorrect" by the 1990's. Because of that, most of them will be useless when things get really bad, if called up (and it's members answer the call) to begin with.

Knowing history, and being ex-military myself, it's a sad fact that active duty troops make poor law enforcers and peacekeepers on the home front. The rules of engagement will be different for Federal troops when called into action to deal domestic emergencies, as opposed to overseas warfighting, peacekeeping, and nation-building. When you have a group whose major reason to exist is to kill people and break things, that ties their hands significantly.

Sophisticated military hardware requires a substantial civilian support base to continue to function in the long term. That's why strategic total war doctrines are so effective. Troops can't build Abrams MBTs and Bradleys. BB Stackers can't fabricate Mk. 82s. The more sophisticated the equipment, the quicker it will break down without the civilian element in logistics and it's tech/industrial/resource base. Add in the fact that critical industry and tech firms are located in high population areas, and you have serious issues with long term sustainability of a major, modern military's capacity for warfighting. In other words, those B-52s might not be in operational condition for long enough to be effective against a widespread outbreak.

Destroying an infection with fire, as it were, only works if you have people that know how to make fire, or the means to keep the torches burning. If you don't, then burning the bodies isn't going to help in the slightest in stopping the spread of infection. Europeans learned this during the Black Death. The same principle applies to our modern, technological society.


In the end,the best way to deal with this hypothetical scenario is to nip it in the bud in the earliest stages, and take measures to slow/prevent the spread. However, politicians and their appointees are only Human. Politics, self-interests, emotion, and just plain incompetence will be the order of the day. So, you can scratch that. That's why if you rely on "the government" to come in and "do something", you will, at best, be disappointed.

Your best bet is to look after yourself and fellow group members, and go with a worst case scenario. Be self-sufficient and smart to survive. Don't wait for a bunch of bureaucrats to do it for you, because the odds are against them.

Some States still have State Militias. But most of them haven't been used for emergencies in decades, becoming nothing more than taxpayer-funded "social clubs" and window dressing, not to mention "politically incorrect" by the 1990's. Because of that, most of them will be useless when things get really bad, if called up (and it's members answer the call) to begin with.

Thats why they have National Guards now. While I agree that the government is slow to do much of anything, I believe that a true national emergency like this would have the same effect as pearl harbor or September 11th, IE they were looking for targets within hours. Katrina was a disaster as we all know but that is because FEMA became a dumping ground for political appointees and campaign supporters. The Military is more then capable of laying waste to a city like NYC in a matter of a day. As far as burning them out? If we can't make Napalm and other combustibles then the world is lost already because that is literally in the handbook.

Anyway I still say a zombie out break would be over in days and the purging would continue for a few months depending on how far it spread before it was quashed.

The National Guard is Federal. They are over 90% trained, equipped, and supported by the Federal Government, and can be Federalized (which is what will happen at some point in a major, nationwide emergency). They are also part of the Army and Airforce's active reserve component, and subject to regulation and oversight by the Departments of the Army and Air Force. But I do get your point.

FEMA wasn't the only one who dropped the ball with New Orleans after Katrina. A racist, politically motivated black mayor, an appointee police chief who was dumb as a stump, a corrupt police force, corrupt city government, corruption in city services, and slow action by the State of Louisiana all played a major role as well.

The problem with 9/11 and Pearl Harbor comparisons is range of the disasters, and the fact that we knew who the enemy was (Imperial Japan and a terrorist group). And there were contingencies/preparations in place to deal with them on the Federal level. The only real surprise was the use of aircraft as flying bombs by the jihadists. The range of those disasters were mostly local, with most of the loss of life and damage concentrated in relatively small areas.


A hypothetical zombie apocalypse will be more along the lines of a global pandemic in scale, dwarfing even the worst of past pandemics. Sure, there will be the physical carriers of the disease that can be targeted. But by the time the military is authorized to use maximum force (the last resort option), then it will be too late. Even if you take the extreme step of targeting major cities with thermonuclear weapons. It will just be too widespread by then to be contained by straight forward military force, no matter how much firepower you have.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Yaknow all this government talk reminds me

I remember Hearing that the CDC actually has plans for a zombie outbreak.

Yes they do, check the link and join the taskforce, you'll even get a T-shirt

http://blogs.cdc.gov/publichealthmatters/2011/05/preparedness-101-zombie-apocalypse/

Oh and get back in minecraft, You need to see my new storage area

Still locked out :/

SemperMortis wrote:


IF it was as simple as keeping Marines in the US and fighting it would be significantly easier and could be done on a massively larger scale. On top of that I never said I would contain NYC, my scenario revolved around securing the local area, NC has the entire 2nd MEF as well as Fort Bragg (82nd Airborne and a few other divisions) as well as Seymoor Johnson Airbase, MCAS Cherry Point not to mention New River Air station as well as the local state units. So it would be entirely feasible to establish a cordon in that state and move out to secure other states.

Uh, no. Bragg has a Division, the 82nd. There are other units there (HQ FORSCOM, HQ XVIII Corp, JFK Special Warfare School, associated support units...) but just one combat division, generally short a BCT which is deployed (operational or to training).

And NYC is a BIG city. We used about a divisions worth of troops to cordon off Fallujah and then clear it in a very slow deliberate manner....

 CptJake wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:


IF it was as simple as keeping Marines in the US and fighting it would be significantly easier and could be done on a massively larger scale. On top of that I never said I would contain NYC, my scenario revolved around securing the local area, NC has the entire 2nd MEF as well as Fort Bragg (82nd Airborne and a few other divisions) as well as Seymoor Johnson Airbase, MCAS Cherry Point not to mention New River Air station as well as the local state units. So it would be entirely feasible to establish a cordon in that state and move out to secure other states.

Uh, no. Bragg has a Division, the 82nd. There are other units there (HQ FORSCOM, HQ XVIII Corp, JFK Special Warfare School, associated support units...) but just one combat division, generally short a BCT which is deployed (operational or to training).

And NYC is a BIG city. We used about a divisions worth of troops to cordon off Fallujah and then clear it in a very slow deliberate manner....

I could have sworn Bragg had another division, the damned place is massive. I was only ever there when my Nephew came back from Afghanistan back in 2012. But anyway, yeah Im operating under the Walking dead scenario where zombies will be drawn to noise. So once we set up defensive line they will just run into our lines of fire like they do in most zombie movies. Anyway, NC, Texas, New Mexico those are relatively safe states. :

If it starts in NYC, any state West of a major river is pretty safe. The Mississippii alone would be an insurmountable barrier.
The Appalachians alone would be almost impassable. Without water and food most of the zombie plague wouldn't last long.

Then NYC floods because all the sewers and subways are constantly running pumps. If there's nobody to maintain those Manhattan would be under water.

...Which I guess would stop your zombie problem. Unless they can ignore the current like that one film where the zombies could walk under water somehow.

SemperMortis wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:


IF it was as simple as keeping Marines in the US and fighting it would be significantly easier and could be done on a massively larger scale. On top of that I never said I would contain NYC, my scenario revolved around securing the local area, NC has the entire 2nd MEF as well as Fort Bragg (82nd Airborne and a few other divisions) as well as Seymoor Johnson Airbase, MCAS Cherry Point not to mention New River Air station as well as the local state units. So it would be entirely feasible to establish a cordon in that state and move out to secure other states.

Uh, no. Bragg has a Division, the 82nd. There are other units there (HQ FORSCOM, HQ XVIII Corp, JFK Special Warfare School, associated support units...) but just one combat division, generally short a BCT which is deployed (operational or to training).

And NYC is a BIG city. We used about a divisions worth of troops to cordon off Fallujah and then clear it in a very slow deliberate manner....

I could have sworn Bragg had another division, the damned place is massive. I was only ever there when my Nephew came back from Afghanistan back in 2012. But anyway, yeah Im operating under the Walking dead scenario where zombies will be drawn to noise. So once we set up defensive line they will just run into our lines of fire like they do in most zombie movies. Anyway, NC, Texas, New Mexico those are relatively safe states. :

82nd
18th Airborne Corp (support units)
One Special Forces Group
One Spook unit with a bunch of guys call operators.
Bragg is joined at the hip with Pope AFB

 Jihadin wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:


IF it was as simple as keeping Marines in the US and fighting it would be significantly easier and could be done on a massively larger scale. On top of that I never said I would contain NYC, my scenario revolved around securing the local area, NC has the entire 2nd MEF as well as Fort Bragg (82nd Airborne and a few other divisions) as well as Seymoor Johnson Airbase, MCAS Cherry Point not to mention New River Air station as well as the local state units. So it would be entirely feasible to establish a cordon in that state and move out to secure other states.

Uh, no. Bragg has a Division, the 82nd. There are other units there (HQ FORSCOM, HQ XVIII Corp, JFK Special Warfare School, associated support units...) but just one combat division, generally short a BCT which is deployed (operational or to training).

And NYC is a BIG city. We used about a divisions worth of troops to cordon off Fallujah and then clear it in a very slow deliberate manner....

I could have sworn Bragg had another division, the damned place is massive. I was only ever there when my Nephew came back from Afghanistan back in 2012. But anyway, yeah Im operating under the Walking dead scenario where zombies will be drawn to noise. So once we set up defensive line they will just run into our lines of fire like they do in most zombie movies. Anyway, NC, Texas, New Mexico those are relatively safe states. :

82nd
18th Airborne Corp (support units)
One Special Forces Group
One Spook unit with a bunch of guys call operators.
Bragg is joined at the hip with Pope AFB

It isn't even Pope AFB any more...

It is now Pope Field and Army run. Was there a few weeks ago to get finger prints done for my clearance renewal.

 CptJake wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:


IF it was as simple as keeping Marines in the US and fighting it would be significantly easier and could be done on a massively larger scale. On top of that I never said I would contain NYC, my scenario revolved around securing the local area, NC has the entire 2nd MEF as well as Fort Bragg (82nd Airborne and a few other divisions) as well as Seymoor Johnson Airbase, MCAS Cherry Point not to mention New River Air station as well as the local state units. So it would be entirely feasible to establish a cordon in that state and move out to secure other states.

Uh, no. Bragg has a Division, the 82nd. There are other units there (HQ FORSCOM, HQ XVIII Corp, JFK Special Warfare School, associated support units...) but just one combat division, generally short a BCT which is deployed (operational or to training).

And NYC is a BIG city. We used about a divisions worth of troops to cordon off Fallujah and then clear it in a very slow deliberate manner....

I could have sworn Bragg had another division, the damned place is massive. I was only ever there when my Nephew came back from Afghanistan back in 2012. But anyway, yeah Im operating under the Walking dead scenario where zombies will be drawn to noise. So once we set up defensive line they will just run into our lines of fire like they do in most zombie movies. Anyway, NC, Texas, New Mexico those are relatively safe states. :

82nd
18th Airborne Corp (support units)
One Special Forces Group
One Spook unit with a bunch of guys call operators.
Bragg is joined at the hip with Pope AFB

It isn't even Pope AFB any more...

It is now Pope Field and Army run. Was there a few weeks ago to get finger prints done for my clearance renewal.

I drove through it 3 days ago and they still haven't changed the signs it still says Pope AFB. Though I know your right that it belongs to the Army now.

SemperMortis wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

It isn't even Pope AFB any more...

It is now Pope Field and Army run. Was there a few weeks ago to get finger prints done for my clearance renewal.

I drove through it 3 days ago and they still haven't changed the signs it still says Pope AFB. Though I know your right that it belongs to the Army now.

Yeah, the old check point (when you turn off of Butner onto Armistead) which used to be manned by Air Force SPs isn't even manned. Signs there now read Pope Army Airfield.

i know one thing for sure when I transported prisoners from Bragg to Camp Lejeune. The number of deer on Camp Lejeune could feed the base for years if they ran out of food. I have never seen anything like it driving from the main gate to the Brig.

And I'm thinking all the pot holes on Bragg will surely slow down any portions of the horde that make it onto post.

You could land a Chinook is some of those things. Looks like the 12Bs had cratering charge training on main post...