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So we're all pretty much in agreement it's a couple of Warlocks and a couple of Space Marine metals. Sounds about right.

Followed shortly by a rather large chunk of 2nd edition stuff which is still loitering in the store.

Has anyone brought up the "Armor through the ages sculpts?" I think some of these may predate the 2nd Ed. SW and Eldar releases, though I'm not sure.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Armour-Through-the-Ages

 Massaen wrote:


For those that keep mentioning the swooping hawks - they got redone in 3rd ed like most of the aspects but that sculpt has hung around where the others have been redone.

It is worth mentioning that when I mentioned the Swooping Hawks I did state they were 3rd ed. throwbacks - released around the time of the 3rd ed. codex along with the plastic guardians.

Personally, I don't count special characters.

So Ragnar, Njal, the Phoenix Lords, the CSM special characters - they can all get out of this thread. Yes, they are old but GW have stated in the past that they consider the older special characters to be iconic - they defined the current ranges aesthetics and appearances and as a result they don't really want to touch them or make major changes if they can avoid doing so.

Same with the web-exclusive mini bundles - Armour through the Ages, Goff Rockers, Traitors of Chaos - again, these are iconic models that helped defined their ranges and character. Sure, you can use them. You can use RT era metal space marines if you want - but they're not being sold as entire squads or cores of armies - if anything they'e sort of collector's pieces.

As far as the Warlocks go?

They're scattered in their releases - there are a few that date to RT - mainly the Warlock with the Witchblade pointed to the ground - he's also featured in studio armies by the way. This chap.

The singing spear and moving witchblade are early 2nd ed releases.

This chap was a 3rd ed. Codex release and the youngest warlock of them all - this fellow dates back to the Eye of Terror releases as he was part of the Ulthwe Seer Council box.

EDIT: Huh. It seems I have every Warlock available in my Eldar army apart from this chap.. Would love to get hold of him and a spare shuriken pistol from the Dire Avengers sprue if anyone has those going. (I just really like my Warlocks. Like, seriously. I have a 10 strong council and 5 more to go with Guardian or Support weapon units )

 Insectum7 wrote:
Has anyone brought up the "Armor through the ages sculpts?" I think some of these may predate the 2nd Ed. SW and Eldar releases, though I'm not sure.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Armour-Through-the-Ages

Edit: That Thunder Warrior is in the Compilation, 1991.

(D'oh. Meant edit, not quote)

2nd Ed. Rulebook is Copyright 1993, for reference.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


So Ragnar, Njal, the Phoenix Lords, the CSM special characters - they can all get out of this thread. Yes, they are old but GW have stated in the past that they consider the older special characters to be iconic - they defined the current ranges aesthetics and appearances and as a result they don't really want to touch them or make major changes if they can avoid doing so.

Same with the web-exclusive mini bundles - Armour through the Ages, Goff Rockers, Traitors of Chaos - again, these are iconic models that helped defined their ranges and character. Sure, you can use them. You can use RT era metal space marines if you want - but they're not being sold as entire squads or cores of armies - if anything they'e sort of collector's pieces.

Given that Eldrad just got updated and that Khan is about to as well, I think GW have changed their tune on that. And rightfully so, they are really old and it shows, putting them next to modern plastic scultps they look terrible. Interestingly it seems that even though they are getting updated they are keeping the aesthetic very similar to those old sculpts, just with a much better use of space.

Agree with you on those more eccentric model groups.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Has anyone brought up the "Armor through the ages sculpts?" I think some of these may predate the 2nd Ed. SW and Eldar releases, though I'm not sure.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Armour-Through-the-Ages

Yes, and they're not using RT/2E arms & backpacks.

 Imateria wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


So Ragnar, Njal, the Phoenix Lords, the CSM special characters - they can all get out of this thread. Yes, they are old but GW have stated in the past that they consider the older special characters to be iconic - they defined the current ranges aesthetics and appearances and as a result they don't really want to touch them or make major changes if they can avoid doing so.

Same with the web-exclusive mini bundles - Armour through the Ages, Goff Rockers, Traitors of Chaos - again, these are iconic models that helped defined their ranges and character. Sure, you can use them. You can use RT era metal space marines if you want - but they're not being sold as entire squads or cores of armies - if anything they'e sort of collector's pieces.

Given that Eldrad just got updated and that Khan is about to as well, I think GW have changed their tune on that. And rightfully so, they are really old and it shows, putting them next to modern plastic scultps they look terrible. Interestingly it seems that even though they are getting updated they are keeping the aesthetic very similar to those old sculpts, just with a much better use of space.

Agree with you on those more eccentric model groups.

I'm actually kind of impressed by that. Rountree is a good thing it seems and I think the decision to redo Eldrad and Kharn was quite a bold move on GW's part. Makes me wonder how heavy a decision it actually was.

Metal Eldrad isn't that bad nor is metal Kharn to be honest. Let's be frank here - what sculpts are you putting Kharn next to? The Berserkers? Eesh.

A lot of the problems with the SCs are their posing or current scaling and yeah, I feel they could do with some bulking.

But even though plastic Kharn is nice...I kind of feel like he's really not the CSM SC that needed a resculpt that badly.

Personally, plastic Abaddon would've gone down much, much better.

Anyone know how old the Last Chancers are?

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Anyone know how old the Last Chancers are?

3rd ed.

And long discontinued as a unit iirc. To be fair, Schaeffer as a model has aged rather nicely as well.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Anyone know how old the Last Chancers are?

3rd ed.

And long discontinued as a unit iirc. To be fair, Schaeffer as a model has aged rather nicely as well.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Colonel-Schaeffers-Last-Chancers

He means they don't have rules.

 Stormonu wrote:
Also, Tau Pirahna and Hammerhead models are fairly old, I believe.

The Hammerhead is still the original design from when Tau first were introduced in third. Which just goes to show that if you get your initial design right then you don't need to update it. Though the Hammerhead might not count as it was repackaged to have the Skyray upgrade sprue added, whereas before the Hammerhead kit only built a Hammerhead whilst the Skyray kit could build either. So with it having the upgrade sprue would place it in 4th edition when the Skyray was introduced.

The Pirhana was introduced in the 4th ed Tau codex.

This is going off the codices, there may have been an update between 3rd and 4th which introduced them that I am not aware of.

As an interesting side note, I wonder which army has the least amount of old models currently in their line? I think it may be Dark Eldar as I can't really think of anything they have now which wasn't part of the big 5th ed revamp of the army or newer.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
He means they don't have rules.

Ding!

There are no rules for fielding them any longer. As such I would not consider them viable for this.

I get the impression that the OP was essentially asking about kits in use that are expected to perform a functional role in their army, rather than collector's pieces or oddities that have no rules.

What about the Valhalla or Steel Legion troops they still sell on their website? I bought some of the steel legion from them last year. I'll check the date on the tabs when I get back home.
Vim

Steel legion are very new compared to Valhalla. Valhalla date back to the 2nd ed codex I think.

They do. So do the Tallarns.

EDIT: And the Mordian Iron Guard.

It has been mentioned, but I'm throwing my own stuff in here.

I have lead Warp Spiders (not pewter, or raldium pewter whatever that meant) that are the same models as the currently produced finecast variety.

Vypers are just as old.

Falcons are newer though, by a few years. Falcons only came out right near the end of 2nd edition.

I still say the Vyper is the oldest, since the other ones are either younger or have been remade in Finecast (it's the same sculpt but technically a new set).

 DarknessEternal wrote:
It has been mentioned, but I'm throwing my own stuff in here.

I have lead Warp Spiders (not pewter, or raldium pewter whatever that meant) that are the same models as the currently produced finecast variety.

Vypers are just as old.

Falcons are newer though, by a few years. Falcons only came out right near the end of 2nd edition.

Covered this earlier.

UK White Dwarf 207 had the Vyper iirc.

Sisters of Battle was White Dwarf 212.

Gorkamorka was White Dwarf 214.

Eldar Falcon was White Dwarf 216.

Necrons were White Dwarf 217-218.

The Falcon is at most 9 months younger than the Vyper. Not a couple of years.

Warp Spiders are older than both of them however.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
It has been mentioned, but I'm throwing my own stuff in here.

I have lead Warp Spiders (not pewter, or raldium pewter whatever that meant) that are the same models as the currently produced finecast variety.

Vypers are just as old.

Falcons are newer though, by a few years. Falcons only came out right near the end of 2nd edition.

Covered this earlier.

UK White Dwarf 207 had the Vyper iirc.

Sisters of Battle was White Dwarf 212.

Gorkamorka was White Dwarf 214.

Eldar Falcon was White Dwarf 216.

Necrons were White Dwarf 217-218.

The Falcon is at most 9 months younger than the Vyper. Not a couple of years.

Warp Spiders are older than both of them however.

And I believe those two Warlocks are older yet again.

As before, the WD 217-218 Necrons are the very old metal ones, replaced by the plastic ones.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Massaen wrote:


For those that keep mentioning the swooping hawks - they got redone in 3rd ed like most of the aspects but that sculpt has hung around where the others have been redone.

It is worth mentioning that when I mentioned the Swooping Hawks I did state they were 3rd ed. throwbacks - released around the time of the 3rd ed. codex along with the plastic guardians.

Personally, I don't count special characters.

So Ragnar, Njal, the Phoenix Lords, the CSM special characters - they can all get out of this thread. Yes, they are old but GW have stated in the past that they consider the older special characters to be iconic - they defined the current ranges aesthetics and appearances and as a result they don't really want to touch them or make major changes if they can avoid doing so.

Same with the web-exclusive mini bundles - Armour through the Ages, Goff Rockers, Traitors of Chaos - again, these are iconic models that helped defined their ranges and character. Sure, you can use them. You can use RT era metal space marines if you want - but they're not being sold as entire squads or cores of armies - if anything they'e sort of collector's pieces.

As far as the Warlocks go?

They're scattered in their releases - there are a few that date to RT - mainly the Warlock with the Witchblade pointed to the ground - he's also featured in studio armies by the way. This chap.

The singing spear and moving witchblade are early 2nd ed releases.

This chap was a 3rd ed. Codex release and the youngest warlock of them all - this fellow dates back to the Eye of Terror releases as he was part of the Ulthwe Seer Council box.

EDIT: Huh. It seems I have every Warlock available in my Eldar army apart from this chap.. Would love to get hold of him and a spare shuriken pistol from the Dire Avengers sprue if anyone has those going. (I just really like my Warlocks. Like, seriously. I have a 10 strong council and 5 more to go with Guardian or Support weapon units )

You forgotting the Antlered one!!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
It has been mentioned, but I'm throwing my own stuff in here.

I have lead Warp Spiders (not pewter, or raldium pewter whatever that meant) that are the same models as the currently produced finecast variety.

Vypers are just as old.

Falcons are newer though, by a few years. Falcons only came out right near the end of 2nd edition.

Covered this earlier.

UK White Dwarf 207 had the Vyper iirc.

Sisters of Battle was White Dwarf 212.

Gorkamorka was White Dwarf 214.

Eldar Falcon was White Dwarf 216.

Necrons were White Dwarf 217-218.

The Falcon is at most 9 months younger than the Vyper. Not a couple of years.

Warp Spiders are older than both of them however.

And I believe those two Warlocks are older yet again.

As before, the WD 217-218 Necrons are the very old metal ones, replaced by the plastic ones.

Never said those weren't mate.

It was when the Necrons were actually released as a race.

They then had a mini-update and 3rd ed list, I want to say around WD 230 when metal Immortals were released.

And then a few years later a new range release with the plastic Warriors and Scarabs - which are still older than half the SoB range by the way as Codex: Necrons was prior to Codex: Witchhunters.


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Lord Perversor wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Massaen wrote:


For those that keep mentioning the swooping hawks - they got redone in 3rd ed like most of the aspects but that sculpt has hung around where the others have been redone.

It is worth mentioning that when I mentioned the Swooping Hawks I did state they were 3rd ed. throwbacks - released around the time of the 3rd ed. codex along with the plastic guardians.

Personally, I don't count special characters.

So Ragnar, Njal, the Phoenix Lords, the CSM special characters - they can all get out of this thread. Yes, they are old but GW have stated in the past that they consider the older special characters to be iconic - they defined the current ranges aesthetics and appearances and as a result they don't really want to touch them or make major changes if they can avoid doing so.

Same with the web-exclusive mini bundles - Armour through the Ages, Goff Rockers, Traitors of Chaos - again, these are iconic models that helped defined their ranges and character. Sure, you can use them. You can use RT era metal space marines if you want - but they're not being sold as entire squads or cores of armies - if anything they'e sort of collector's pieces.

As far as the Warlocks go?

They're scattered in their releases - there are a few that date to RT - mainly the Warlock with the Witchblade pointed to the ground - he's also featured in studio armies by the way. This chap.

The singing spear and moving witchblade are early 2nd ed releases.

This chap was a 3rd ed. Codex release and the youngest warlock of them all - this fellow dates back to the Eye of Terror releases as he was part of the Ulthwe Seer Council box.

EDIT: Huh. It seems I have every Warlock available in my Eldar army apart from this chap.. Would love to get hold of him and a spare shuriken pistol from the Dire Avengers sprue if anyone has those going. (I just really like my Warlocks. Like, seriously. I have a 10 strong council and 5 more to go with Guardian or Support weapon units )

You forgotting the Antlered one!!

RT Era and doesn't feature in any of the images for the armies in the Codex or on the GW website.

Yes, I have one of him too.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Has anyone brought up the "Armor through the ages sculpts?" I think some of these may predate the 2nd Ed. SW and Eldar releases, though I'm not sure.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Armour-Through-the-Ages

Yes, and they're not using RT/2E arms & backpacks.

Ahh, I suppose that's true. Otherwise though. . .

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Or wait, have the Marine bikes been redone? They might be older than the Falcon, definitely 2nd edition.

Anyone know the release date for the SM bike? It miiight be older than the Vyper.

The bike kit was re-cut at some point. It used to have flat topped legs, but they shifted to a more modern-compatable rounded top.

 Nevelon wrote:
The bike kit was re-cut at some point. It used to have flat topped legs, but they shifted to a more modern-compatable rounded top.

Huh, I didn't even notice. . . I was too busy looking at a how spare the sprues were in comparison to modern kits.

Just glanced through the old catalogues and the Warp Spiders make their first appearance (that I can find) in 1993 along with the "new" Avatar which is still present and three more Warlocks (the ones we've been talking about).

Previous Warlock metals includes the antlered guy and two models fielding laspistols (obviously no longer used).
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The Librarian in Terminator armour (super close to the Runepriest) was shown off in 92. Ragnar and Gnal show up in 1992 as well, currently the oldest I can find.
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Ragnar has a different older sculpt in 1991 (the one with the tiny chainsword and the wolf).

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
He means they don't have rules.

Ding!

There are no rules for fielding them any longer. As such I would not consider them viable for this.

I get the impression that the OP was essentially asking about kits in use that are expected to perform a functional role in their army, rather than collector's pieces or oddities that have no rules.

Essentially, yes. In effect, "If you want to make an army that contains X, which options are using some old models?"

Not trying to find out what *the8 oldest is, mind you, just a general vibe. I suppose for purposes of this thread, "Before third edition" would be a general vibe.

Figuring out how many of these units are 20+ years old and, basically, have gone through college at this stage, I'm wondering when they'll have kids of their own.

"Come on, Stormcaller, I'm not getting any younger and neither or you! When am I going to get to meet my grandkids, hmm? HMMM? Be a shame if they never met their grandpa!"

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


So Ragnar, Njal, the Phoenix Lords, the CSM special characters - they can all get out of this thread. Yes, they are old but GW have stated in the past that they consider the older special characters to be iconic - they defined the current ranges aesthetics and appearances and as a result they don't really want to touch them or make major changes if they can avoid doing so.

Same with the web-exclusive mini bundles - Armour through the Ages, Goff Rockers, Traitors of Chaos - again, these are iconic models that helped defined their ranges and character. Sure, you can use them. You can use RT era metal space marines if you want - but they're not being sold as entire squads or cores of armies - if anything they'e sort of collector's pieces.

Given that Eldrad just got updated and that Khan is about to as well, I think GW have changed their tune on that. And rightfully so, they are really old and it shows, putting them next to modern plastic scultps they look terrible. Interestingly it seems that even though they are getting updated they are keeping the aesthetic very similar to those old sculpts, just with a much better use of space.

Agree with you on those more eccentric model groups.

I'm actually kind of impressed by that. Rountree is a good thing it seems and I think the decision to redo Eldrad and Kharn was quite a bold move on GW's part. Makes me wonder how heavy a decision it actually was.

Metal Eldrad isn't that bad nor is metal Kharn to be honest. Let's be frank here - what sculpts are you putting Kharn next to? The Berserkers? Eesh.

A lot of the problems with the SCs are their posing or current scaling and yeah, I feel they could do with some bulking.

But even though plastic Kharn is nice...I kind of feel like he's really not the CSM SC that needed a resculpt that badly.

Personally, plastic Abaddon would've gone down much, much better.

I agree the old Eldrad wasn't exactly bad but the new plastic one is amazing, as for Kharn I'm not a fan of Khorn flavoured Chaos anyway but what I've seen of the new plastic model is also a big improvement IMO. I think the wish list for other characters getting updated at this point is nearly all of them.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

I have lead Warp Spiders (not pewter, or raldium pewter whatever that meant)

"Ralidium" (with a trademark) was what Ral Partha called their lead-free white-metal-alloy when the proposed ban on lead in toys was being proposed (As they are a US company, they would have been first against the wall). Other companies also switched to a lead-free alloy (including GW) but not all stuck with it once the ban proposal failed.

GW's initial foray into the "lead free" period was also known as the "shrapnel years". People converting models in store had to be careful with the stray bits that tended to fly off in odd directions.

witchdoctor wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Did anyone mention the standard catachan infantry kit? That's been around a while and does it look it. But it's not as old as some of the other stuff mentioned.

I was going to mention that one. Dates back to 1998 or 1999 if I recall. Though, when it was released, you got 20 models for like ~$22.50-25 MSRP IIRC.

Late 1999, I got it as a Christmas gift


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Insectum7 wrote:Has anyone brought up the "Armor through the ages sculpts?" I think some of these may predate the 2nd Ed. SW and Eldar releases, though I'm not sure.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Armour-Through-the-Ages

Y'know I think the one-peice models for that one win, it's either them or the warlocks, both are mid-RT era. Compilation time.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The first 2nd Codex was Wolves, so unless it hails from RT, it's Ragnar or PA Njal.

The Phoenix Lords are probably only younger by a matter of months.

Wolves were the last big release for RT days, 1992 or so, which is why they were the first codex in 2nd edition days. Ragnar would be late RT, but the Warlocks and Historical Marines beat him.