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Maybe this should be a letter to the new white dwarf?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


The SM Land Speeder was redone in plastic for 3rd Edition, replacing a hideously fragile metal model. It's considerably newer than Jes' Eldar Warlocks.

I still have that metal SM Land Speeder (in pieces, appropriately enough), and a SM medic on an Imperial jetbike.

Shame they didn't make the 2nd era Land Speeder in plastic instead of redesigning it (it looks terrible and the kit is bad to boot!).

I also liked the Land Speeder pilot's special helmet.

how old is the basic CSM kit?

 Elbows wrote:
Shame they didn't make the 2nd era Land Speeder in plastic instead of redesigning it (it looks terrible and the kit is bad to boot!).

I also liked the Land Speeder pilot's special helmet.

Yeah the second edition speeders are great. A classic model, and if glued together properly nowhere near as fragile as their reputation would have some believe. I've three of the little blighters and they zip about across the battle field nicely. It's the weight that becomes a bit of an issue when trying to balance them on modern terrain.

 Vash108 wrote:
how old is the basic CSM kit?

Mid 3rd edition, I want to say 2001 or 2002, then recut around 2007 or 2008.

Younger than the Bezerker or Catachan kits

Sisters of Battle, plaguebearers, some other minor models.

I am trying to remember when the Imperial Guard sprue got made (either Catachan or Cadian), my metal IG is incredibly old so I think that sprue owes GW nothing.

I was tempted to say the Basilisk but refurbished it or something because the new sprue is not the same as the original I had: the model looks exactly the same however.

I think eldar guardians are in a similar boat: where they were metal for a time (RT to 2nd edition?) then the kit never changed.

I agree that the Pheonix lords have not changed ever.

The Chaos leaders are in a similar boat BUT Typhus is a much newer model.

Dark and Blood Angel main character models are the original metal one-piece (2ish) models.

Going through all these models are hard, most of my old stuff is the single piece metal mold Khorne Berzerkers or Thousand Sons for instance (with one plastic backpack to glue on).

Metal IG was 1994 or 1995, 1999 for plastic catachans then I think 2001 or 2002 for Cadians

Got to be the Metal Avatar or the Space Wolf Characters then, that's if we are discounting the Goff Rockers for some reason?

 Talizvar wrote:
I was tempted to say the Basilisk but refurbished it or something because the new sprue is not the same as the original I had: the model looks exactly the same however.

I think eldar guardians are in a similar boat: where they were metal for a time (RT to 2nd edition?) then the kit never changed.

I agree that the Pheonix lords have not changed ever.

The Chaos leaders are in a similar boat BUT Typhus is a much newer model.

Dark and Blood Angel main character models are the original metal one-piece (2ish) models.

Going through all these models are hard, most of my old stuff is the single piece metal mold Khorne Berzerkers or Thousand Sons for instance (with one plastic backpack to glue on).

The new Bassie uses the new Chimera chassis, which means it's got completely different track assembly and support, along with all-new side pods that look nothing like the original. It's at most a decade old.

The Eldar Guardians were available as metal during RT. In 2E, they were a 6-model plastic box, upgraded with GIANT metal shuricat bitz. Then, they got redone as a 10-model box for 3E.

Phoenix Lords are old 2E, but not as old as the Warlocks.

Metal 'Zerks are RT-era, but they've been redone at least twice, first as a 6-zerk plastic box for 2E, then as a 8-zerk box for 3E. Not sure if they were redone after that.

1992: Ragnar Blackmane/ Gnal Stormcaller

1993: Avatar, and some of the Warlocks.

Can anyone find something before 1992?

What age are the servitors? I'm sure some of them were in the 2nd ed rule book colour section.

I think the oldest have to be the warp spider. I remember it was released on WD 9 in France, way before gorkamorka or eldar vyper or any plastic set still on sale

 Elbows wrote:
1992: Ragnar Blackmane/ Gnal Stormcaller

1993: Avatar, and some of the Warlocks.

Can anyone find something before 1992?

The MK1 Armor "Thunder Armor" model I mentioned before is at least 1991. In fact it's in the January 1991 WD 133, and it might have been released prior to that. It currently comes with a standard marine backpack though, so wether it wins the prize as "oldest" depends on your specific qualifications. It's still usable as a Space Marine.

It's possible that some of those Warlocks were around before the Eldar Codex, but I don't have the references for it. They are not in the Compilation (1991), but it's not extensive in it's catalog.

If you're looking for full model (sans backpack), probably a couple of those Warlocks.

If you're looking for a Squad, I think it's Warp Spiders.

Unmodified from original material (since all previously metal casts are now resin) I think it's the Vyper.

The Mk. I uses a 3E+ backpack, so doesn't count.

The Warlocks predate the Eldar Codex (2E).

Many other "classic" 2E units (e.g. Tallarn) are still listed as metal.

Also, it's worth mentioning that the "armour through the ages" has not been available for the entire duration has it? When did the bitz order close down? Surely there was a couple of years where the old combination models were unavailable.

The others have soldiered on, I believe, without a gap in availability (despite some being finecast now).

Certain warlocks date to 1990 (RT) and definitely predate the eldar codex.

I've got all of them - some are newer than others, but I still have all of the original wave.

Yeah, but all I could find of the old ones were the discontinued ones (antlers and two guys with laspistols). It looks like the witchblade ones are mostly 1993.

 chromedog wrote:
Certain warlocks date to 1990 (RT) and definitely predate the eldar codex.

I've got all of them - some are newer than others, but I still have all of the original wave.

I have all apart from the Witchblade one with the pistol raised. I want him and his little silly mowhawk crest. :(

Good God, they still sell the old Avatar of Khaine? I thought that model had been redone after the Forgeworld version had been released.

Noooope. Same sculpt.

nareik wrote:What age are the servitors? I'm sure some of them were in the 2nd ed rule book colour section.

There were 2 servitors released as part of the same SW wave that saw Ragnar come out, but they were redone at some point.



EDIT they're still in production, paired with 2003-2004 gun servitors and in finecast. So they're tied with Ragnar

reluxor wrote:I think the oldest have to be the warp spider. I remember it was released on WD 9 in France, way before gorkamorka or eldar vyper or any plastic set still on sale

Released with the 2nd edition Eldar codex along with phoenix lords, 1993 or 4. After Ragnar.

Elbows wrote:Yeah, but all I could find of the old ones were the discontinued ones (antlers and two guys with laspistols). It looks like the witchblade ones are mostly 1993.

Yeah I looked as well and I think the old Warlocks are from 2nd edition not Rogue Trader. Which means the candiates are:

Ragnar (possibly disqualified since he's been redone in Finecast)


Amour Through the Ages (possibly disqualified because they use the 'modern' plastic arms and backpacks)


Traitors of Chaos possibly disqualified because they use the 'modern' plastic backpacks)


And Goff Rockers (possibly disqualified because they're no longer a unit)


If someone wants to be really strict, no change in plastic accessories or casting medium, I think the metal IG might win.

 Elbows wrote:
Also, it's worth mentioning that the "armour through the ages" has not been available for the entire duration has it? When did the bitz order close down? Surely there was a couple of years where the old combination models were unavailable.

The others have soldiered on, I believe, without a gap in availability (despite some being finecast now).

I think Goff Rockers have always been available... in METAL too! .|..|


Out of interest, which editions did they actually have rules? I don't remember them even in 2nd, but that was a long time go and long before I purchased mine.

I had my Goffik Rokkers when they were new, and I own 'Ere We Go and Freebooterz... I don't remember any rules for them as I only ever used them as Battlewagon decoration.

 Fifty wrote:
I had my Goffik Rokkers when they were new, and I own 'Ere We Go and Freebooterz... I don't remember any rules for them as I only ever used them as Battlewagon decoration.

I had a sudden vision of them with a bungee guitar that acts as a flame thrower:

 Fifty wrote:
I had my Goffik Rokkers when they were new, and I own 'Ere We Go and Freebooterz... I don't remember any rules for them as I only ever used them as Battlewagon decoration.

Hmm, I guess from that metric from the day they were released they didn't count as a kit for some in this thread.