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The Ork Warbuggies/Wartrakks date back to GorkaMorka, but the old Trukks were eventually replaced.

To my knowledge, this is the oldest kit still actively sold by GW, but, I could be wrong.

What else dates back 8+ years?

Depends on whether or not you mean the mold but I think most models dating back to 2nd edition would be just as old as the Gorkamorka models.

This includes:

Abaddon the Despoiler
the Current Kharn the Betrayer (soon to be replaced)
Fabius Bile
Ahriman
Almost the entire SoB line save for the Exorcist and Penitent Engine
Dante, Tycho, Corbulo, Mephiston
Azrael and Ezekiel
Swooping Hawks
Warp Spiders
and an assortment of other models that just never saw a replacement.

Note that these may technically be younger than the GorkaMorka models but only by a few months.

How about the Eldar Jetbikes and Viper?

The oldest Sisters of Battle models were sculpted in 1997.

I think some other stuff is actually older.

How about the Eldar Jetbikes and Viper?

The Jetbikes got a new kit recently.

The Eldar Jetbikes did serve pretty long but just recently got replaced.

Unsure of how old the Vyper is, I don't see pics of it in the 2nd ed codex. However this does remind me that all of the current Codex Phoenix Lords, the Avatar of Khaine, Eldrad (the old mode) and Warlocks are that old too.


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The 2nd Edition Eldar codex was copyrighted in 1994, so I'm guessing all of the models that appear in it are that old or older.

I think that some of the dark angels characters, notably Ezekiel, are the oldest. I remember them all being released but him, he always seemed to be around.


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Vyper was 2nd ed, I've got the wd with that in somewhere. Came out at a similar time to the whfb box with brets and lizardmen.

Was it released with the codex or some time after it though?

In anycase, I can't imagine it'd be that much younger, so I would still put it as older than Gorka Morka due to the Codex being much older.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

This includes:
Almost the entire SoB line save for the Exorcist and Penitent Engine

Half the SoB line is actually about 5-6 years younger than the other half.

The Canoness with a Combi-flamer, a couple of the heavy and special weapon variants and about half the seraphim and foot Sisters were the models originally released for the SoB.

The other Canoness, the reliquaries, half the designs on foot and seraphim, the repentia, vehicles and penitent engines all date to Codex Witchhunters.

Outside of Special Characters or Unique gribblies the 'oldest' functional model is the Ork Warbuggy which dates back to early 2nd edition (not Gorkamorka but well before then.)

As far as 'ranges' go....

CSM are pretty dated, most of their range falling between the Index Astartes articles and Eye of Terror campaign.

Eldar are somewhat dated as well - Warp Spiders are a 2nd ed. hang on, Shining Spears, Guardians and Swooping Hawks are all 3rd ed. codex hang ons, Storm Guardians are EoT relics and the Warlocks are RT/2nd ed relics for the most part. The Vyper is a late 2nd ed. addition - older than SoB though.

Land Raiders, Rhinos and Predators from the SM/CSM range also date back to around this period.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Was it released with the codex or some time after it though?

In anycase, I can't imagine it'd be that much younger, so I would still put it as older than Gorka Morka due to the Codex being much older.

It came out a while after the codex I think, and before gorkamorka I'm 99% sure. I remember really wanting one at the time of release, and finally got around to buying one earlier this year.

Eldar Falcon? Has that been redone since 2E?

Definitely, the Warlocks are ancient, dating back to the 2E Codex.

Don't the Ork Goff Rockers date back to 1st ed (early 90s)?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ork-Goff-Rockers

 JamesY wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Was it released with the codex or some time after it though?

In anycase, I can't imagine it'd be that much younger, so I would still put it as older than Gorka Morka due to the Codex being much older.

It came out a while after the codex I think, and before gorkamorka I'm 99% sure. I remember really wanting one at the time of release, and finally got around to buying one earlier this year.

UK White Dwarf 207 had the Vyper iirc.

Sisters of Battle was White Dwarf 212.

Gorkamorka was White Dwarf 214.

Eldar Falcon was White Dwarf 216.

Necrons were White Dwarf 217-218.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

This includes:
Almost the entire SoB line save for the Exorcist and Penitent Engine

Half the SoB line is actually about 5-6 years younger than the other half.

The Canoness with a Combi-flamer, a couple of the heavy and special weapon variants and about half the seraphim and foot Sisters were the models originally released for the SoB.

The other Canoness, the reliquaries, half the designs on foot and seraphim, the repentia, vehicles and penitent engines all date to Codex Witchhunters.

Erm...

Maybe you should have a look on GW's site at what Sororitas models are still available.

Because a lot of that stuff is gone now. Really we're down to the point where pulling any more models would necessitate not being able to take entire special or heavy weapon options. I think the only thing they could possibly remove is one of the two Sister Superiors that are left.

 Pouncey wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

This includes:
Almost the entire SoB line save for the Exorcist and Penitent Engine

Half the SoB line is actually about 5-6 years younger than the other half.

The Canoness with a Combi-flamer, a couple of the heavy and special weapon variants and about half the seraphim and foot Sisters were the models originally released for the SoB.

The other Canoness, the reliquaries, half the designs on foot and seraphim, the repentia, vehicles and penitent engines all date to Codex Witchhunters.

Erm...

Maybe you should have a look on GW's site at what Sororitas models are still available.

Because a lot of that stuff is gone now. Really we're down to the point where pulling any more models would necessitate not being able to take entire special or heavy weapon options. I think the only thing they could possibly remove is one of the two Sister Superiors that are left.

The fact they are not available at the moment does not mean they did not exist. So I will pass on your suggestion to look at GW's webstore because, oddly enough they still exist out there if you know where to look - ebay, trading groups and the like.

Let's not pretend that a downsized range means they never existed. Because you know that to be a lie as do I.

The op does say kits still actively sold by gw, which is probably where pouncey's (rather unnecessarily antagonistically worded) comment came from.

In fact, for comedy value I looked at what is for sale from GW.

Bear in mind that there is a common theme on these products.

Let's quote the 3 sisters one.

This pack contains three Battle Sisters - finely detailed metal miniatures that come in six components, and are supplied with three 25mm round bases. There are nine miniatures available and three random ones will be supplied in each pack.

So the variants are still available and GW acknowledges the fact you will receive random ones.

Let's also acknowledge that any SOB with a helmet is a Witchhunter era release - they were sculpted on the same 'base' model, but they are a newer variant.

LEt's also acknowledge that Storm Bolters are a Witchhunter era release - not in the original release.

So looking at what's available.

Sisters of Battle Squad - random model variants - so a mix of original and Witchhunter era.
Celestine - Witchhunter era.
Canoness - Witchhunter era.
Battle Sisters (3 models) - random variants - mix of original and Witchhunter era.
Heavy Flamer - original.
Superior with Power Sword and Bolter - original.
Repentia - Witchhunter era.
Seraphim with hand flamers - original
Exorcist - witchhunter era
Penitent Engine - Witchhunter era.
Uriah Jacobus - Original
Sister with Heavy Bolter - original.
Sister with Simulacrum Imperialis - Witchhunter Era
Superior with Bolter - original.
Hospitallier - Witchhunter era.
Seraphim 1 - original.
Missionary - original.
Storm Bolter 2 - Witchhunter era.
Flamer 2 - original.
Meltagun 2 - original.

CCM Page of Sisters of Battle - showing the Original releases and the 2004 Witchhunter releases - please note the Witchhunter releases are NEWER than the 3.5 CSM releases and just a few months older than the Eye of Terror releases.

It's also why I put a qualifier "depending" in my first post, as much of what I listed are actually converted into finecast, so technically they're all "new" kits since they're not the original metal models anymore.

The Sororitas stand out because they're still metal, so technically they have had no change since then. The Sister Superior, Heavy Bolter, Melta Gunner and Missionary with Chainsword all date back to then.

The Metal Guardsmen outside of the Vostroyans also date back to around 1996. The DESIGN of the Chimera dates to that time too, but the kit has been recently re-cut at least once if I remember, so it's technically not the same kit.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
UK White Dwarf 207 had the Vyper iirc.
Sisters of Battle was White Dwarf 212.
Gorkamorka was White Dwarf 214.
Eldar Falcon was White Dwarf 216.
Necrons were White Dwarf 217-218.

The Sisters of Battle in WD 212 would be just the basic Sisters squad, before they got many of their options, but the Vyper is older. I think we're down to the Eldar Warlocks.

Some of the Space Wolf special characters go back to late Rogue Trader, 1992 or 1993. I know Blackmane has not been redone but I think the rest have.



"Grr... Arg..."

But if the Warlocks haven't been redone then they win.

Now if you're not confining yourself, there's a lot of models once made by GW now made by others.

Wargames Foundry has their pre-warhammer Historical lines and even some unreleased Rogue Trader models.

Starfleet Wars was the first spaceship combat game and was licenced by GW for a time. The models (including the Super Galactic Dreadnauts) are still in production at Monday Knights. That's like 1979 or so.

But I think the oldest around are Asgard models. It was Citadel's predecessor and had its own space marines and fantasy chaos warriors. Now in production by Alternate Armies.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
UK White Dwarf 207 had the Vyper iirc.
Sisters of Battle was White Dwarf 212.
Gorkamorka was White Dwarf 214.
Eldar Falcon was White Dwarf 216.
Necrons were White Dwarf 217-218.

The Sisters of Battle in WD 212 would be just the basic Sisters squad, before they got many of their options, but the Vyper is older. I think we're down to the Eldar Warlocks.

A lot of the Sisters options came in around 212-214.

In fact I could probably fish out the original issues, if I wanted to sort through some 12+ years of White Dwarfs.

Generally I will try to avoid including characters in any comparison of age because they tend to be treated as iconic, hence the reluctance to re-release or redesign them. However, considering GW's dual farseer/warlock bike I'm really surprised the Farseer on foot doesn't also double up the same :(

Unless something came before the Vyper and is still made in metal, then the Vyper is probably the oldest kit still in production by GW. Everything else *technically* had been remade in resin or came after it.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Eldar Falcon? Has that been redone since 2E?

Definitely, the Warlocks are ancient, dating back to the 2E Codex.

I'm pretty sure the middle two (greatsword and spear) go back to mid-Rogue Trader days, the first Craftworld and Aspect Warrior lists. So 1990?

Goff Rockers (appropriately still in metal)

Armour through the Ages,

Traitors of Chaos (and perhaps their fantasy equivalents are still in production?)

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

This includes:
Almost the entire SoB line save for the Exorcist and Penitent Engine

Half the SoB line is actually about 5-6 years younger than the other half.

The Canoness with a Combi-flamer, a couple of the heavy and special weapon variants and about half the seraphim and foot Sisters were the models originally released for the SoB.

The other Canoness, the reliquaries, half the designs on foot and seraphim, the repentia, vehicles and penitent engines all date to Codex Witchhunters.

Erm...

Maybe you should have a look on GW's site at what Sororitas models are still available.

Because a lot of that stuff is gone now. Really we're down to the point where pulling any more models would necessitate not being able to take entire special or heavy weapon options. I think the only thing they could possibly remove is one of the two Sister Superiors that are left.

The fact they are not available at the moment does not mean they did not exist. So I will pass on your suggestion to look at GW's webstore because, oddly enough they still exist out there if you know where to look - ebay, trading groups and the like.

Let's not pretend that a downsized range means they never existed. Because you know that to be a lie as do I.

Well, if you want the earliest model that EVER existed, and its current production doesn't matter... just... look at the first 40k model ever released and you have your answer.

I guess I shouldn't have assumed that "still in production" was implied.

The Armor through the Ages uses modern arms. If the Traitors of Chaos is what I'm thinking of, I can no longer find it on GW's website.

 Pouncey wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

This includes:
Almost the entire SoB line save for the Exorcist and Penitent Engine

Half the SoB line is actually about 5-6 years younger than the other half.

The Canoness with a Combi-flamer, a couple of the heavy and special weapon variants and about half the seraphim and foot Sisters were the models originally released for the SoB.

The other Canoness, the reliquaries, half the designs on foot and seraphim, the repentia, vehicles and penitent engines all date to Codex Witchhunters.

Erm...

Maybe you should have a look on GW's site at what Sororitas models are still available.

Because a lot of that stuff is gone now. Really we're down to the point where pulling any more models would necessitate not being able to take entire special or heavy weapon options. I think the only thing they could possibly remove is one of the two Sister Superiors that are left.

The fact they are not available at the moment does not mean they did not exist. So I will pass on your suggestion to look at GW's webstore because, oddly enough they still exist out there if you know where to look - ebay, trading groups and the like.

Let's not pretend that a downsized range means they never existed. Because you know that to be a lie as do I.

Well, if you want the earliest model that EVER existed, and its current production doesn't matter... just... look at the first 40k model ever released and you have your answer.

I guess I shouldn't have assumed that "still in production" was implied.

Read down a few posts before you reply.

You'll see I deconstructed the entire SoB range. A surprising chunk of what is still available is 2004 - Witchhunter Era.

Here's the irony.

That makes a fair chunk of the SoB range newer than the following....

Obliterators.
Thousand Sons.
Noise Marines.
Chaos Havocs.

Land Raiders
Rhinos

Eldar Warlocks
Eldar Guardians
Eldar Swooping Hawks
Eldar Warp Spiders
Eldar Vypers
Eldar Shining Spears
The Eldar Avatar
The Eldar Falcon

The Ork Warbuggy

Necron Warriors
Necron Scarabs.

Suddenly the 'beaten Soritas syndrome' is falling flat on its face when you consider how old half its range actually is.

Interesting; it is gone from the colonial sites, still for sale on UK.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Traitors-of-Chaos

Not for pond hopping traitors apparently .

2 of the armour through the ages are complete models (minus back pack and bases of course).

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Read down a few posts before you reply.

You'll see I deconstructed the entire SoB range. A surprising chunk of what is still available is 2004 - Witchhunter Era.

Here's the irony.

That makes a fair chunk of the SoB range newer than the following....

Obliterators.
Thousand Sons.
Noise Marines.
Chaos Havocs.

Land Raiders
Rhinos

Eldar Warlocks
Eldar Guardians
Eldar Swooping Hawks
Eldar Warp Spiders
Eldar Vypers
Eldar Shining Spears
The Eldar Avatar
The Eldar Falcon

The Ork Warbuggy

Necron Warriors
Necron Scarabs.

Suddenly the 'beaten Soritas syndrome' is falling flat on its face when you consider how old half its range actually is.

I'm pretty sure none of those armies have gotten literally nothing new in 13 years and instead had half the stuff that was in production go OOP.

Also my first post in the thread was me saying that Sisters of Battle probably don't have the oldest individual model still being produced.

nareik wrote:
Interesting; it is gone from the colonial sites, still for sale on UK.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Traitors-of-Chaos

Not for pond hopping traitors apparently .

2 of the armour through the ages are complete models (minus back pack and bases of course).

I personally wouldn't count the Traitors of Chaos or Armour through the Ages sets for their age for much the same reason I don't count special characters.

They're essentially showcase pieces meant to show off something 'iconic'. Something that has influenced design elements of its respective range.

Now, I will admit, some of the special character models have not aged well - Ragnar and Abaddon are the two main ones I can think of and that, I suspect is more due to scale creep than anything else - but you can see how they influenced their ranges in terms of aesthetics.

I remember GW talking about this iconic influence a lot - iirc it was when they released the Eldar in 3rd ed. and discussed how they took design elements for the Aspects released at the time from the respective Phoenix Lords.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The Armor through the Ages uses modern arms.

If the Traitors of Chaos is what I'm thinking of, I can no longer find it on GW's website.

I remember the RT/2E arms & backpack sprue that SMs used to get, and GW isn't using them - they're using 3E+ arms & backpacks.

Traitors of Chaos seems to be using even newer backpacks, so can also be DQ'd as well.


Also, those Necron Warriors and Scarabs are NOT the originals from 3E - the originals don't have the plastic rods.