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What heresy?

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I just read an article on Bell of Lost Souls that said there were rumours saying 8th Edition would see the Primarchs return. It also mentioned that one of the Traitors would return to join the Imperium and one of the loyalists would fall to chaos. What do you think of this theory,which primarchs shall return and which of the primarchs shall fall/ascend?

Imo, Curze, Alpharius and Fulgrim are the main contenders for coming back to the fold. Alpahrius for obvious reasons, Fulgrim because he might actually be trapped in a painting and Curze because he seemed to regain his senses before Me'shen and his death is never confirmed.

The only one I can see falling is Jaghatai Khan. My theory is that if he chased the Dark Eldar into the warp, I can see him being corrupted by Slaanesh quite easily if they were to capture and torture him. Khorne and Tzeentch could also stake a claim to him.

What?

Curze and Alpharius are dead.

Rumours say the Lion is next up in plastic.

It wouldn't surprise me actually if Fulgrim returns. GW seems to want to kill Slaanesh, and as He/She/It is missing from AoS, which is most likely some projection of the warp/Webway and probably a few years ahead of 40k, but probably not thousands (warp time is different than our time). It would be cool if he returned, and maybe helped Eldrad Ulthran kill Slaanesh. Then Fulgrim could join up with Rylanor, my third fav HH character, and fight Abbadon. Maybe get Ferrus' clone to reforge Fireblade? Anyways, I think a Fulgrim-as-an-old-man mini would be awesome, as would an ancient contemptor that's been somewhat renegade for the last 10000 years.


Yes, if you want to know Im reading Fulgrim now and loved the Eldrad x Fulgrim scene.

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I just read an article on Bell of Lost Souls that said there were rumours saying 8th Edition would see the Primarchs return. It also mentioned that one of the Traitors would return to join the Imperium and one of the loyalists would fall to chaos. What do you think of this theory,which primarchs shall return and which of the primarchs shall fall/ascend?

Imo, Curze, Alpharius and Fulgrim are the main contenders for coming back to the fold. Alpahrius for obvious reasons, Fulgrim because he might actually be trapped in a painting and Curze because he seemed to regain his senses before Me'shen and his death is never confirmed.

The only one I can see falling is Jaghatai Khan. My theory is that if he chased the Dark Eldar into the warp, I can see him being corrupted by Slaanesh quite easily if they were to capture and torture him. Khorne and Tzeentch could also stake a claim to him.

I believe it will be Russ to fall to Chaos, in regards to the Wulfen, and the "wolf spirits" (which are really just daemons). Additionally, with the events of Wrath of Magnus, they may be declared traitors by the imperium at large, and so maybe theyll use the logic of "So, you want a traitor? Well now youve got one!"

kicknyurs wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I just read an article on Bell of Lost Souls that said there were rumours saying 8th Edition would see the Primarchs return. It also mentioned that one of the Traitors would return to join the Imperium and one of the loyalists would fall to chaos. What do you think of this theory,which primarchs shall return and which of the primarchs shall fall/ascend?

Imo, Curze, Alpharius and Fulgrim are the main contenders for coming back to the fold. Alpahrius for obvious reasons, Fulgrim because he might actually be trapped in a painting and Curze because he seemed to regain his senses before Me'shen and his death is never confirmed.

The only one I can see falling is Jaghatai Khan. My theory is that if he chased the Dark Eldar into the warp, I can see him being corrupted by Slaanesh quite easily if they were to capture and torture him. Khorne and Tzeentch could also stake a claim to him.

I believe it will be Russ to fall to Chaos, in regards to the Wulfen, and the "wolf spirits" (which are really just daemons). Additionally, with the events of Wrath of Magnus, they may be declared traitors by the imperium at large, and so maybe theyll use the logic of "So, you want a traitor? Well now youve got one!"

Even though Wulfen are more resistant to Chaos...

pm713 wrote:

kicknyurs wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I just read an article on Bell of Lost Souls that said there were rumours saying 8th Edition would see the Primarchs return. It also mentioned that one of the Traitors would return to join the Imperium and one of the loyalists would fall to chaos. What do you think of this theory,which primarchs shall return and which of the primarchs shall fall/ascend?

Imo, Curze, Alpharius and Fulgrim are the main contenders for coming back to the fold. Alpahrius for obvious reasons, Fulgrim because he might actually be trapped in a painting and Curze because he seemed to regain his senses before Me'shen and his death is never confirmed.

The only one I can see falling is Jaghatai Khan. My theory is that if he chased the Dark Eldar into the warp, I can see him being corrupted by Slaanesh quite easily if they were to capture and torture him. Khorne and Tzeentch could also stake a claim to him.

I believe it will be Russ to fall to Chaos, in regards to the Wulfen, and the "wolf spirits" (which are really just daemons). Additionally, with the events of Wrath of Magnus, they may be declared traitors by the imperium at large, and so maybe theyll use the logic of "So, you want a traitor? Well now youve got one!"

Even though Wulfen are more resistant to Chaos...

True that pm713.
There is the unwitting agents fall though -
The Wulfen and Space Wolves in general aren't adverse to spilling a bit of blood in the line of duty.
And Grimnar's axe is a Khorne gifted weapon.

For the most part I wouldn't mind if the Wolves fell to Khorne, I don't give a damn about the Imperium and CSM are usually snappier dressers than the Loyalists.

Still, I'd rather see Russ go knowingly renegade than fall to Chaos.

 ChazSexington wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I just read an article on Bell of Lost Souls that said there were rumours saying 8th Edition would see the Primarchs return. It also mentioned that one of the Traitors would return to join the Imperium and one of the loyalists would fall to chaos. What do you think of this theory,which primarchs shall return and which of the primarchs shall fall/ascend?

Imo, Curze, Alpharius and Fulgrim are the main contenders for coming back to the fold. Alpahrius for obvious reasons, Fulgrim because he might actually be trapped in a painting and Curze because he seemed to regain his senses before Me'shen and his death is never confirmed.

The only one I can see falling is Jaghatai Khan. My theory is that if he chased the Dark Eldar into the warp, I can see him being corrupted by Slaanesh quite easily if they were to capture and torture him. Khorne and Tzeentch could also stake a claim to him.

What?

Curze and Alpharius are dead.

Rumours say the Lion is next up in plastic.

Curze is one of those were all the evidence suggests he is dead but the source says that right before me'shen attacked the video cut out, meaning that there is a 1% curze changed his mind about dieing at the final moment and chose not to let himself die. Alpharius isn't proven dead either, as Alpha Legionaries can replicate Alpharius' strength and looks by drinking his blood, it may have been a body double tha dorn killed

Surely the other problem with a loyalist returning is the problem of Primarchs enforcing The Imperial Truth on an Imperium that has for 8 thousand years, believed the emperor is a God.

If Guilleman, Dorn or any of the puritanical primarchs come back they'd probably fly to terra and kill all the high lords for "treason" and start a whole storyline fighting the Adeptus Ministorum which could see them and their legions deemed traitoris excommunicatus. The most obvious reason this wont happen though is people would rage quit if their super loyal legion collection suddenly needed a chaos codex, but i'd still love to see this downfall of another loyal primarch... or a complete imperium meltdown while Abbadon marches close to Terra.

Also I agree if there's going to be a primarch that comes back into the fold its going to be Alpharius/Omegon, with the obvious "I was just doing what the Eldar warned me about" reasoning, how they'd do that is probably more interesting than why.

Cassor the Damned wrote:

Curze is one of those were all the evidence suggests he is dead but the source says that right before me'shen attacked the video cut out, meaning that there is a 1% curze changed his mind about dieing at the final moment and chose not to let himself die. Alpharius isn't proven dead either, as Alpha Legionaries can replicate Alpharius' strength and looks by drinking his blood, it may have been a body double tha dorn killed

John French, the author of the book where he's killed, confirmed that Alpharius is indeed dead.

 ChazSexington wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

Curze is one of those were all the evidence suggests he is dead but the source says that right before me'shen attacked the video cut out, meaning that there is a 1% curze changed his mind about dieing at the final moment and chose not to let himself die. Alpharius isn't proven dead either, as Alpha Legionaries can replicate Alpharius' strength and looks by drinking his blood, it may have been a body double tha dorn killed

John French, the author of the book where he's killed, confirmed that Alpharius is indeed dead.

Yes, But John French is an Imperial Fists Fanboy, and Should not have been allowed to Write an Alpha Legion Novel that has IF in it

Plus Black Library Authors are known to Frequently Contradict and Retcon stuff

Plus i Side with Alpharius, Omegon can go Screw Himself (Hence why i am Pd at the New Book)

 ChazSexington wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

Curze is one of those were all the evidence suggests he is dead but the source says that right before me'shen attacked the video cut out, meaning that there is a 1% curze changed his mind about dieing at the final moment and chose not to let himself die. Alpharius isn't proven dead either, as Alpha Legionaries can replicate Alpharius' strength and looks by drinking his blood, it may have been a body double tha dorn killed

John French, the author of the book where he's killed, confirmed that Alpharius is indeed dead.

I totally understand where you're coming from by saying the author has said he died, but the thing is that GW and Black Library love to dick around with us when it come to the Alpha Legion. Unfortunatly your point is given even less credence due to the fact that the Alpha legions battlecry is "I am Alpharius" and I wouldn't be suprised if John French was trying to do a play on words.

Did the emperor really destroy Horus soul? Or could it be imperial propaganda?

Mabye the prisinor in "The Chamber of Purity" on Titan, is a familiar face...?

 commander dante wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

Curze is one of those were all the evidence suggests he is dead but the source says that right before me'shen attacked the video cut out, meaning that there is a 1% curze changed his mind about dieing at the final moment and chose not to let himself die. Alpharius isn't proven dead either, as Alpha Legionaries can replicate Alpharius' strength and looks by drinking his blood, it may have been a body double tha dorn killed

John French, the author of the book where he's killed, confirmed that Alpharius is indeed dead.

Yes, But John French is an Imperial Fists Fanboy, and Should not have been allowed to Write an Alpha Legion Novel that has IF in it

Plus Black Library Authors are known to Frequently Contradict and Retcon stuff

Plus i Side with Alpharius, Omegon can go Screw Himself (Hence why i am Pd at the New Book)

Cassor the Damned wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

Curze is one of those were all the evidence suggests he is dead but the source says that right before me'shen attacked the video cut out, meaning that there is a 1% curze changed his mind about dieing at the final moment and chose not to let himself die. Alpharius isn't proven dead either, as Alpha Legionaries can replicate Alpharius' strength and looks by drinking his blood, it may have been a body double tha dorn killed

John French, the author of the book where he's killed, confirmed that Alpharius is indeed dead.

I totally understand where you're coming from by saying the author has said he died, but the thing is that GW and Black Library love to dick around with us when it come to the Alpha Legion. Unfortunatly your point is given even less credence due to the fact that the Alpha legions battlecry is "I am Alpharius" and I wouldn't be suprised if John French was trying to do a play on words.

There was no ambiguity as far as I'm aware when it was announced at the last BL event. While obviously BL have the official policy of being able to retcon it quickly, I think we should also accept that he's dead. Hopefully, the one who dies at Eskrador isn't Omegon.

However, if you wish to have your own headcanon, I'm not gonna argue. As it was announced at an official BL event by the author whom killed him off, I'm gonna go with that, as it's canon as it gets in the 40k universe.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 commander dante wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

Curze is one of those were all the evidence suggests he is dead but the source says that right before me'shen attacked the video cut out, meaning that there is a 1% curze changed his mind about dieing at the final moment and chose not to let himself die. Alpharius isn't proven dead either, as Alpha Legionaries can replicate Alpharius' strength and looks by drinking his blood, it may have been a body double tha dorn killed

John French, the author of the book where he's killed, confirmed that Alpharius is indeed dead.

Yes, But John French is an Imperial Fists Fanboy, and Should not have been allowed to Write an Alpha Legion Novel that has IF in it

Plus Black Library Authors are known to Frequently Contradict and Retcon stuff

Plus i Side with Alpharius, Omegon can go Screw Himself (Hence why i am Pd at the New Book)

Cassor the Damned wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

Curze is one of those were all the evidence suggests he is dead but the source says that right before me'shen attacked the video cut out, meaning that there is a 1% curze changed his mind about dieing at the final moment and chose not to let himself die. Alpharius isn't proven dead either, as Alpha Legionaries can replicate Alpharius' strength and looks by drinking his blood, it may have been a body double tha dorn killed

John French, the author of the book where he's killed, confirmed that Alpharius is indeed dead.

I totally understand where you're coming from by saying the author has said he died, but the thing is that GW and Black Library love to dick around with us when it come to the Alpha Legion. Unfortunatly your point is given even less credence due to the fact that the Alpha legions battlecry is "I am Alpharius" and I wouldn't be suprised if John French was trying to do a play on words.

There was no ambiguity as far as I'm aware when it was announced at the last BL event. While obviously BL have the official policy of being able to retcon it quickly, I think we should also accept that he's dead. Hopefully, the one who dies at Eskrador isn't Omegon.

However, if you wish to have your own headcanon, I'm not gonna argue. As it was announced at an official BL event by the author whom killed him off, I'm gonna go with that, as it's canon as it gets in the 40k universe.

I'm not saying Alpharius isn't dead. I'm saying that despite the fact it appears he is dead, his nature means that he has the best chance at returning to the Imperial Fold. I was just trying to explain my point that he has the best chance of becoming a loyalist again.

I want Alpharius dead, not because I dislike him but because his death sets a good precedent for the BL HH series. I hate it when they keep trying to build tension when 2 primarchs fight, because you know that they both walk away and are alive at the end of the heresy. e.g khan fighting mortarian. Alpharius' death reinvigorated my excitement for the series, because from here on out anything can happen. If it turns out he survived it, I'd be pretty annoyed. I'm simply recognising that his death has a much higher probability of being retconned or explained as "It wasn't really Alpharius" and him becoming a loyalist then there is chance of Magnus, Mortarian, Angron, Fulgrim, Pertuarbo or Lorgar returning and becoming a loyalist again.