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I'm a Word Bearer fan, but the Cults need/deserve the attention far more.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I really wonder how much untapped money GW is sleeping on by not pushing out a new Berzerkers kit and finally plastic Plague Marines and Noise Marines. I really, REALLY doubt that CSM are selling *that* bad when they get something every few years (and never what they want, of course, but DINOS).

At this point, GW is better served doing these CSM waves every 5-6 months or so so they don't oversaturate Chaos. New book comes out with all the cool Tzeentch stuff, people will buy the tzeentch stuff. If they came out with Tzeentch, Death Guard, Berzerkers all at once, the sales would be split up among the factions.

Yes, of course. I'm talking about a hypothetical situation where Chaos as a product line has all those kits that should've ideally come out years, heck, almost decades ago. From Berzerkers as one of the first multi-part plastic boxes of that era to...no new cult marines. I'd be more than oky with ix months between releases, heck, I'd be ECSTATIC from such a pace. They had years and multiple codex revisions to throw out cult boxes and thoroughly redone CSM and Termis, but nooo.

Now they finally do Rubrics (my least favourites ) and some indies can't get anough stock? At least a bits site sent an update stating that GW can't service them yet due to demand. If only they did such a thing as market research and realise how many people are passivly interested in Chaos.

PS: I'm realising right now that we have plastic CUSTODES and SoS before multi-part Chosen/Cultist/PM/NM kits. If you told me that 2002 I certainly wouldn't have believed you.

PPS: I'm a Word Bearers fan myself, though not really the super fleshed out HH stuff. And IMO Chaos zealots with flamers and demon friends don't really need special minis when the stock CSM would just look the part.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think that they should do that, so that everyone has something of 'parity' for the 4 main:


Thousand Sons
Ahriman
3 Sorcerers
5 Rubric Terminators
10 Rubrics Marines
10 Tzaangors

World Eaters
Kharn
3 Marines on Juggers
5 Berzerker Terminators
10 Berzerkers (with a new kit - a man can dream!!!)
5 Berzerker Assault Marines (let WE have their Jump Packs!)

Emperor's Children
Lucius the Eternally Useless
3 Sonic Bikers (one in the kit can be built as DOOMRIDER!)
5 Noise Marine Terminators (options for big glaives/spears ala corrupted Phoenix Guard)
10 Noise Marines
Sonic the Hedge Hog Helbrute/Daemon Engine of some kind.

Death Guard
Typhus
[Not sure what the equivalent to the 3 Sorc box would be for them]
5 Plague Terminators
10 Plague Marines
10 Plague Zombies

It would be fantastic, and of course Chaos would get plastic Havocs, a combined plastic Oblit/Mutilator kit, and a new plastic 10-man Chaos Marine box. Maybe even a 5-man Chosen box if people want it. And a plastic PA Lord, and Sorc Lord, Dark Apostle and Warpsmith.

(/wishlisting into oblivion)

Give DG plastic plague drones!

And this list is very logical and totally feasible given the TS release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

World Eaters
Kharn
3 Marines on Juggers
5 Berzerker Terminators
10 Berzerkers (with a new kit - a man can dream!!!)
5 Berzerker Assault Marines (let WE have their Jump Packs!)

If this were to actually happen my wallet would up and commit suicide....

 Battlesong wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

World Eaters
Kharn
3 Marines on Juggers
5 Berzerker Terminators
10 Berzerkers (with a new kit - a man can dream!!!)
5 Berzerker Assault Marines (let WE have their Jump Packs!)

If this were to actually happen my wallet would up and commit suicide....

HAHAHA, if a quarter of the wishlist/rumors for CSM kits were true, my wallet will do the same. I am sitting on $600 store credit across 3 different stores, and my wallet is still in for some pain if tis true!

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well ok, but we want plastic Plague Marines/Terminators.

Agreed, but I'd like to see a skip of the moaning that the rules are the same except for the addition of manreapers and poisoned shooting weapons that are costed appropriately.

Assuming the same scale release as Thousand Sons, that could mean Mortarian, Typhus, 10 man Plague Marine box with say a manreaper option for the sergeant and some poison ranged weapons (maybe blight grenade launchers of some sort?), Plague Terimnators that maybe can built as either shooty/power weapon or 2 handed manreaper, and 10 man plague zombies that can be used in AoS and have an upgrade sprue for 40K, and 1-2 paints. That leaves an analogue for the Exalted Sorcerers. Maybe they could cover the missing Nurgle kit and give a plastic Beasts 3 pack?

A dual terminator lit with scythe and ranges variants already covers the exalted sorcerers. Scarab Occult Termies didn't have an alternate build.
Besides, just because Thousand Sons got 5 new kits doesn't mean Death Guard should too...

123ply wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well ok, but we want plastic Plague Marines/Terminators.

Agreed, but I'd like to see a skip of the moaning that the rules are the same except for the addition of manreapers and poisoned shooting weapons that are costed appropriately.

Assuming the same scale release as Thousand Sons, that could mean Mortarian, Typhus, 10 man Plague Marine box with say a manreaper option for the sergeant and some poison ranged weapons (maybe blight grenade launchers of some sort?), Plague Terimnators that maybe can built as either shooty/power weapon or 2 handed manreaper, and 10 man plague zombies that can be used in AoS and have an upgrade sprue for 40K, and 1-2 paints. That leaves an analogue for the Exalted Sorcerers. Maybe they could cover the missing Nurgle kit and give a plastic Beasts 3 pack?

A dual terminator lit with scythe and ranges variants already covers the exalted sorcerers. Scarab Occult Termies didn't have an alternate build.
Besides, just because Thousand Sons got 5 new kits doesn't mean Death Guard should too...

True, at least six kits are due, to show that mangy chicken who's boss

 Binabik15 wrote:

123ply wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well ok, but we want plastic Plague Marines/Terminators.

Agreed, but I'd like to see a skip of the moaning that the rules are the same except for the addition of manreapers and poisoned shooting weapons that are costed appropriately.

Assuming the same scale release as Thousand Sons, that could mean Mortarian, Typhus, 10 man Plague Marine box with say a manreaper option for the sergeant and some poison ranged weapons (maybe blight grenade launchers of some sort?), Plague Terimnators that maybe can built as either shooty/power weapon or 2 handed manreaper, and 10 man plague zombies that can be used in AoS and have an upgrade sprue for 40K, and 1-2 paints. That leaves an analogue for the Exalted Sorcerers. Maybe they could cover the missing Nurgle kit and give a plastic Beasts 3 pack?

A dual terminator lit with scythe and ranges variants already covers the exalted sorcerers. Scarab Occult Termies didn't have an alternate build.
Besides, just because Thousand Sons got 5 new kits doesn't mean Death Guard should too...

True, at least six kits are due, to show that mangy chicken who's boss

er - 7 kits (remember their number is 7).

 bubber wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:

123ply wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well ok, but we want plastic Plague Marines/Terminators.

Agreed, but I'd like to see a skip of the moaning that the rules are the same except for the addition of manreapers and poisoned shooting weapons that are costed appropriately.

Assuming the same scale release as Thousand Sons, that could mean Mortarian, Typhus, 10 man Plague Marine box with say a manreaper option for the sergeant and some poison ranged weapons (maybe blight grenade launchers of some sort?), Plague Terimnators that maybe can built as either shooty/power weapon or 2 handed manreaper, and 10 man plague zombies that can be used in AoS and have an upgrade sprue for 40K, and 1-2 paints. That leaves an analogue for the Exalted Sorcerers. Maybe they could cover the missing Nurgle kit and give a plastic Beasts 3 pack?

A dual terminator lit with scythe and ranges variants already covers the exalted sorcerers. Scarab Occult Termies didn't have an alternate build.
Besides, just because Thousand Sons got 5 new kits doesn't mean Death Guard should too...

True, at least six kits are due, to show that mangy chicken who's boss

er - 7 kits (remember their number is 7).

Your seventh kit is a bucket of green stuff.

 bubber wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:

123ply wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well ok, but we want plastic Plague Marines/Terminators.

Agreed, but I'd like to see a skip of the moaning that the rules are the same except for the addition of manreapers and poisoned shooting weapons that are costed appropriately.

Assuming the same scale release as Thousand Sons, that could mean Mortarian, Typhus, 10 man Plague Marine box with say a manreaper option for the sergeant and some poison ranged weapons (maybe blight grenade launchers of some sort?), Plague Terimnators that maybe can built as either shooty/power weapon or 2 handed manreaper, and 10 man plague zombies that can be used in AoS and have an upgrade sprue for 40K, and 1-2 paints. That leaves an analogue for the Exalted Sorcerers. Maybe they could cover the missing Nurgle kit and give a plastic Beasts 3 pack?

A dual terminator lit with scythe and ranges variants already covers the exalted sorcerers. Scarab Occult Termies didn't have an alternate build.
Besides, just because Thousand Sons got 5 new kits doesn't mean Death Guard should too...

True, at least six kits are due, to show that mangy chicken who's boss

er - 7 kits (remember their number is 7).

Seven is a bigger number than five But Nurgle releases are a time to be jolly, not greedy, so six would be fine with me. As long as it's more than Tzeentch gets!

For real now, if Nurgle gets another kit of BK or Nurgling quality the whole hobby scene would be better off. Look at the Lord of Plagues and the BKs and their usage in all kinds of Inquisimunda or showcase minis.

 nudibranch wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Emperor's Children
Lucius the Eternally Useless
3 Sonic Bikers (one in the kit can be built as DOOMRIDER!)
5 Noise Marine Terminators (options for big glaives/spears ala corrupted Phoenix Guard)
10 Noise Marines
Sonic the Hedge Hog Helbrute/Daemon Engine of some kind.

While Doomrider would be pretty awesome, I should point out that Kor'sarro Khan pulled his head off, and mounted it on a lodge pole back on Chogoris (dipped in blessed silver). He may not come back at all.

Source: Master of the Hunt

You know what that would mean though? Headless Doomrider, possibly with a stream of fire jutting from his neck cavity. That would be amazing...

The headless rider searching for his missing head is pretty classic.

Wow! If the Nurgle Marines are truly in the works, that makes me very happy! I've always loved my plague ridden pals, whether in 40k or Warhammer Fantasy.

I would hope we'd finally be getting a second kit of plastic plague marines (It's been over 20 YEARS!!)

I would love nurgle terminators as well, especially if they had new 'nurgley' weapons. Scythes, poisoned shooting, Some sort of Slime/rot launcher!

Obviously, lets get a nice big mortarion kit.

I know the plague zombies are a big part of nurgle's armies, but I'd also love some new pestigors.

A new version of Typhus would be cool, but I'd almost like to see a new hero more. They never did a kit for the nurgle Greater demon character (was he the one called 'Papa Ga'ap'?), so that would be nice as a GUO dual kit.

A new palanquin plague marine character would make sense also.


I have a feeling we'll also get some sort of extra large bloated plague marine type troops, something like 40k blight kings. After seeing that the nurgle warriors for the new bloodbowl nurgle team will resemble the blight kings, and the huge love for the plastic Fantasy nurgle lord, I think these 'larger bloated troops' will become a mainstay for anything Nurgley. I imagine them like Plague centurions, 3 to a box, 60mm bases, tons of options.

It seems like good timing that you could have 40k, AoS, and Bloodbowl nurgle releases all happening at the same time.

Here's to hoping its a Nurgle Daemonkin book, so all 4 gods get their own books

I know the plague zombies are a big part of nurgle's armies, but I'd also love some new pestigors.

Is it though? Considering the only true Plague Zombies came with Typhus and his big plague rather then death guard as a whole.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
I really wonder how much untapped money GW is sleeping on by not pushing out a new Berzerkers kit and finally plastic Plague Marines and Noise Marines. I really, REALLY doubt that CSM are selling *that* bad when they get something every few years (and never what they want, of course, but DINOS).

At this point, GW is better served doing these CSM waves every 5-6 months or so so they don't oversaturate Chaos. New book comes out with all the cool Tzeentch stuff, people will buy the tzeentch stuff. If they came out with Tzeentch, Death Guard, Berzerkers all at once, the sales would be split up among the factions.

Yeah but considering all the 3rd party bits manufactures out there, someone has what everyone that is being neglected wants. And thats money that GW is surrendering to their compitition. Unless they want to promote 3rd party additions to their kits to sell the kit because someone wanted to use those bits so that GW didnt need to put its own funding into developing it but that is really not their style. I am not satisfied with the the current CSM range but I have seen a few 3rd party products I am very interested in some 3rd party stuff. If GW doesnt give people what they want someone else will and make a fortune while they are at it.

Damn, and me working on Nurgle marines right now...




Well, I guess I will end them (still need some green stuff) and try dont buy the nurgle terminators once GW release them.....

Rosebuddy wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Emperor's Children
Lucius the Eternally Useless
3 Sonic Bikers (one in the kit can be built as DOOMRIDER!)
5 Noise Marine Terminators (options for big glaives/spears ala corrupted Phoenix Guard)
10 Noise Marines
Sonic the Hedge Hog Helbrute/Daemon Engine of some kind.

While Doomrider would be pretty awesome, I should point out that Kor'sarro Khan pulled his head off, and mounted it on a lodge pole back on Chogoris (dipped in blessed silver). He may not come back at all.

Source: Master of the Hunt

You know what that would mean though? Headless Doomrider, possibly with a stream of fire jutting from his neck cavity. That would be amazing...

The headless rider searching for his missing head is pretty classic.

Doom Rider Taking people's heads to replace his missing head? Kinda a Slaanesh Experience vampire thing going on like with Lucius so could work.

Franarok wrote:

Well, I guess I will end them (still need some green stuff) and try dont buy the nurgle terminators once GW release them.....

I doubt any plastic kit will be half as good as those beauties

 Slinky wrote:

Franarok wrote:

Well, I guess I will end them (still need some green stuff) and try dont buy the nurgle terminators once GW release them.....

I doubt any plastic kit will be half as good as those beauties

oh, thanks!!! But are more or less pretty simple ones haha.

But the GW last models are insanely cool, so sure will do impressive nurgle stuff. Just need check the tsons new stuff, omg

Did anyone else catch the Pestigor name drop in the Pandemic Staff war gear description?

Could be a clue for the upcoming release eh?

Franarok wrote:
Damn, and me working on Nurgle marines right now...

Well, I guess I will end them (still need some green stuff) and try dont buy the nurgle terminators once GW release them.....

Seeing as 1ks lost all their options in the book, youre probably screwed with the weapons you molded :(
Awesome work, i'd buy those

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

We've had 1 Terminator squad between CSM that cannot even make a complete generic armed squad.
You have the equivalent of 6.
We don't even have a kit for our Chosen.
You've got at least 2 Veteran kits.
We've still got resin hybrid Havocs.
You've had 2 lots of plastic Devastators as well as reboxed Chapter specific ones.
Don't give CSM that old chestnut about 'no demand for PA' or whether it fething warrants it. I think your 6 boxes of Terminators takes the bloody biscuit there.

Not trolling here, but I see pretty much every loyalist kit as filled with parts for various CSM (amongst many other things). Things have only gotten better with the historical armour boxed sets.

 Azazelx wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

We've had 1 Terminator squad between CSM that cannot even make a complete generic armed squad.
You have the equivalent of 6.
We don't even have a kit for our Chosen.
You've got at least 2 Veteran kits.
We've still got resin hybrid Havocs.
You've had 2 lots of plastic Devastators as well as reboxed Chapter specific ones.
Don't give CSM that old chestnut about 'no demand for PA' or whether it fething warrants it. I think your 6 boxes of Terminators takes the bloody biscuit there.

Not trolling here, but I see pretty much every loyalist kit as filled with parts for various CSM (amongst many other things). Things have only gotten better with the historical armour boxed sets.

It's a fair point, however, kit-bashing is a bit of a pain and fairly uneconomical too.

 Azazelx wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

We've had 1 Terminator squad between CSM that cannot even make a complete generic armed squad.
You have the equivalent of 6.
We don't even have a kit for our Chosen.
You've got at least 2 Veteran kits.
We've still got resin hybrid Havocs.
You've had 2 lots of plastic Devastators as well as reboxed Chapter specific ones.
Don't give CSM that old chestnut about 'no demand for PA' or whether it fething warrants it. I think your 6 boxes of Terminators takes the bloody biscuit there.

Not trolling here, but I see pretty much every loyalist kit as filled with parts for various CSM (amongst many other things). Things have only gotten better with the historical armour boxed sets.

Ok then. How many kits do we need to buy to make the following?

5 Chaos Terminators with normal Combi-Bolters and Power Weapons. No upgrades.

If you buy multiple boxes you have to keep going til all your Chaos Terminators are armed so. Eventually it'll even out, right?

Can we be done arguing about who gets abused the most.

Please?

 kronk wrote:
Can we be done arguing about who gets abused the most.

Please?

It's obviously Black Templars anyway.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't know if I would expect every one of the Chaos gods to get a PA kit and a Terminator kit.

It's what each loyalist chapter with a codex gets at minimum.

^ This.

I'm tired of the excuse of 'I don't know if there's enough demand for power armour to warrant seperate chaos books or legions to get X/Y kits.'

I'm sorry, in the time we've had 1 Chaos Marine Codex, 1 Legion supplement and 1 Renegade supplement Imperials have had....

SM, DA, BA, SW, GK, DW
Supplements for Iron Hands, Imperial Fists and Space Wolves.
Supplement rules/digital splash rules for Raven Guard, White Scars and more Blood Angel stuff.

We've had 1 Terminator squad between CSM that cannot even make a complete generic armed squad.
You have the equivalent of 6.

We don't even have a kit for our Chosen.
You've got at least 2 Veteran kits.

We've still got resin hybrid Havocs.

You've had 2 lots of plastic Devastators as well as reboxed Chapter specific ones.

Don't give CSM that old chestnut about 'no demand for PA' or whether it fething warrants it. I think your 6 boxes of Terminators takes the bloody biscuit there.

Actually, now it's two terminator boxes. and you did get two different version of possessed, so that's an analog of veterans.

it's a terrible analogue then, considering their complete lack of options vs. veterans of either stripe.

I love how I said I wouldn't expect a PA and TDA kit for every Chaos God and people read it as "CHAOS IS DUMB AND SHOULDN'T HAVE KITS! LOYALISTS RULE, LOL!!!!". This forum has turned into, as Kid_Kyoto says, a dumpster fire. Just loaded to the brim with whiney little bitches that are never happy.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I don't know if I would expect every one of the Chaos gods to get a PA kit and a Terminator kit.

It's what each loyalist chapter with a codex gets at minimum.

^ This.

I'm tired of the excuse of 'I don't know if there's enough demand for power armour to warrant seperate chaos books or legions to get X/Y kits.'

I'm sorry, in the time we've had 1 Chaos Marine Codex, 1 Legion supplement and 1 Renegade supplement Imperials have had....

SM, DA, BA, SW, GK, DW
Supplements for Iron Hands, Imperial Fists and Space Wolves.
Supplement rules/digital splash rules for Raven Guard, White Scars and more Blood Angel stuff.

We've had 1 Terminator squad between CSM that cannot even make a complete generic armed squad.
You have the equivalent of 6.

We don't even have a kit for our Chosen.
You've got at least 2 Veteran kits.

We've still got resin hybrid Havocs.

You've had 2 lots of plastic Devastators as well as reboxed Chapter specific ones.

Don't give CSM that old chestnut about 'no demand for PA' or whether it fething warrants it. I think your 6 boxes of Terminators takes the bloody biscuit there.

Actually, now it's two terminator boxes. and you did get two different version of possessed, so that's an analog of veterans.

First -as mentioned by gigasnail - Possessed are not our Veteran equivalent - they have no options as opposed to Veterans with their multiple options.

And if you want to compare our 'two versions' of Possessed to Veterans.

Let's go.

We've had... the metal Possessed released with Cities of Death and the plastic Possessed released with the 5th edition Codex.

Imperial SMs have had....

Metal Veterans with 4th edition, variant metal Veterans with Cities of Death, metal Sternguard and Vanguard with 5th ed codex, a resin hybrid Sternguard conversion kit and then plastic Sternguard and Vanguard for 7th.

So by YOUR own comparison.

2 versions of Possessed.
7 versions of Veterans - not including Dark Angels Veterans or SW Wolf Guard.

Hardly 'equal'.