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2017/05/02 23:09:31
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World"
Jeebuz. Can someone PLEASE change the title of this thread? It comes across as some sort of awful click-bait nonsense. At least add " Page two Will Amaze you!!" or something.
There was no chance, sterling is down against every major currency. If some economists are correct, expect to see the policy reversed in a few years.
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Gamgee wrote: Yeah Canada sucks even more. Thank god my FLGS can get me good discounts.
Prices would go up if this affected Canada.
Would it though? Cad-USD is a better exchange rate for us than Cad-Pound. Granted there could be a lot more tariffs on the US side with Trump in office trying to extort every penny he can out of Canadians.
2017/05/03 02:25:51
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World" (Limited Areas Only!)
What you're missing is US prices are already higher than sterling for GW, so the base cost of each item would increase, then conversion into your own currency.
Start Collecting Boxes = £50 @ UK RRP or US$65 or CAD$89
US RRP for SC = US$85 (+US$20)
CAD RRP for SC = CAD$100 (+CAD$11)
Under the new system your price would be based on US dollars, so you'd pay CAD$115, assuming straight conversion, without any extra "taxes."
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For some parts of the EU that uses the pound: Possible price hike.
For everywhere else: YES! FINALLY FAIR PRICING.
(The latter includes Canada, New Zealand and Australia).
FairER prices for Canada, New Zealand and Australia perhaps, but the former colony penalty/tax will still exist.
Example: Shadow War: Armageddon rulebook:
UK price: 25 pounds @ $1.29 (today's rate) = US $32.50 US price: $40
US colonial tax = 23%
T
Haha, colony tax?
Fair enough.
But it sounds like this change affects almost none of us.
The US "colony tax" at the moment is mainly due to the GBP crashing after the brexit vote.
Not really. It has pretty much always existed, at roughly the same rate, from at least the early '90s. You can go back and compare prices between UK and US White Dwarfs and will always see that the US prices are 20+ percent higher than the UK prices, regardless of the relative values of the two currencies.
T
Maybe in the 90's that was true, but for the past decade minus brexit vote, the GBP was around ~1.55, after brexit vote it dropped to ~1.3 and then further to ~1.25, 1.25 over 1.55 is roughly 20%, so if the price difference at the moment is ~23% (quoted from a previous poster in this thread) then that is mainly due to brexit.
Actually the GBP has typically been in the 1.5 ~ 2 range since the early 90's, so if GW stuff was more expensive in the past at some point they must have made an adjustment to bring them more in line and now they've slipped out of line mainly due to brexit. Given we haven't seen large price adjustments across the whole range for a while GW stuff in the US must have been similar price prior to brexit.
It's still a "tax" if you're artificially charging one country more because your currency tanked and you need to subsidize UK buyers. GW has always been crappy with exchange rates.
Being in Australia, I'm totally willing to attack GW on crappy exchange rate issues.... but you can't expect them to follow highs and lows of the exchange rate. At best they can do an average over the course of several years and use that as the rate, but it'd be silly to be constantly adjusting prices based on the exchange rate.
It'd be silly to walk in to a GW store and try and buy a box of Tactical Marines and the guy behind the counter pulled out a calculator and opened up a forex chart to determine the price.
If the GBP remains low for another year or so we can start talking about GW being slimy bastards for not adjusting their prices.
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2017/05/03 11:49:13
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World"
Gamgee wrote: Yeah Canada sucks even more. Thank god my FLGS can get me good discounts.
Prices would go up if this affected Canada.
Would it though? Cad-USD is a better exchange rate for us than Cad-Pound. Granted there could be a lot more tariffs on the US side with Trump in office trying to extort every penny he can out of Canadians.
It does affect it because the GBP-CAD exchange rate is more favourable that the CAD-US one, especially once you factor in the difference in listed price between the two. I pay for my stuff in CAD and just when you compare prices it makes a huge difference. Before this I was basically paying the US price but in Canadian dollars. After this, I would basically be paying slightly above the prices which are currently listed on the Canadian site.
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2017/05/03 14:45:08
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World"
For some parts of the EU that uses the pound: Possible price hike.
For everywhere else: YES! FINALLY FAIR PRICING.
(The latter includes Canada, New Zealand and Australia).
FairER prices for Canada, New Zealand and Australia perhaps, but the former colony penalty/tax will still exist.
Example:
Shadow War: Armageddon rulebook:
UK price: 25 pounds @ $1.29 (today's rate) = US $32.50
US price: $40
US colonial tax = 23%
T
Haha, colony tax?
Fair enough.
But it sounds like this change affects almost none of us.
The US "colony tax" at the moment is mainly due to the GBP crashing after the brexit vote.
Not really. It has pretty much always existed, at roughly the same rate, from at least the early '90s. You can go back and compare prices between UK and US White Dwarfs and will always see that the US prices are 20+ percent higher than the UK prices, regardless of the relative values of the two currencies.
T
Maybe in the 90's that was true, but for the past decade minus brexit vote, the GBP was around
~1.55, after brexit vote it dropped to ~1.3 and then further to ~1.25, 1.25 over 1.55 is roughly 20%, so if the price difference at the moment is ~23% (quoted from a previous poster in this thread) then that is mainly due to brexit.
Actually the GBP has typically been in the 1.5 ~ 2 range since the early 90's, so if GW stuff was more expensive in the past at some point they must have made an adjustment to bring them more in line and now they've slipped out of line mainly due to brexit. Given we haven't seen large price adjustments across the whole range for a while GW stuff in the US must have been similar price prior to brexit.
It's still a "tax" if you're artificially charging one country more because your currency tanked and you need to subsidize UK buyers. GW has always been crappy with exchange rates.
Being in Australia, I'm totally willing to attack GW on crappy exchange rate issues.... but you can't expect them to follow highs and lows of the exchange rate. At best they can do an average over the course of several years and use that as the rate, but it'd be silly to be constantly adjusting prices based on the exchange rate.
It'd be silly to walk in to a GW store and try and buy a box of Tactical Marines and the guy behind the counter pulled out a calculator and opened up a forex chart to determine the price.
If the GBP remains low for another year or so we can start talking about GW being slimy bastards for not adjusting their prices.
They're selling in pounds to UK residents, but refuse to sell the same items in pounds to US residents, OR let other UK businesses sell them to ROW customers. If they can afford to sell a citadel wood for 18 pounds in the UK, they can sell it for 18 pounds elsewhere. No, it's just an excuse to jack up prices yet again, this time so they don't have to raise prices locally.
You'll notice Mierce, for example, doesnt randomly decide to swap prices to whatever currency happens to be the most advantageous for them at a given moment.
2017/05/03 20:03:00
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World" (Limited Areas Only!)
For the listing that it doesn't effect Turkey. I would like to ask how?
We are on the rest of the world and it is a price increase of roughly %25. Does the gw e-mail means that distrubitors in the non excluded countries still buy their stuff GBP and with the old price?
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2017/05/06 00:35:31
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World" (Limited Areas Only!)
This hurts as a Mexican, more because I'm 4 hours away on bus from my nearest independent retailer, and even then, the independent retailers on México City vary wildly their prices.
God damn, one of those have Archaon at +-5000 pesos, almost twice its actual price.
If I want a Start Collecting! from the international store I'll have to pay $20.10/£15.48 additionally.
Would be interesing to see if there are other effects on any other country included as "Rest of the World".
2017/05/06 00:41:51
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World" (Limited Areas Only!)
As far as I can tell anyone in the americas and in australia would be unaffected. Back to my sadpanda face.
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2017/05/06 00:44:14
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World" (Limited Areas Only!)
CMLR wrote: This hurts as a Mexican, more because I'm 4 hours away on bus from my nearest independent retailer, and even then, the independent retailers on México City vary wildly their prices.
God damn, one of those have Archaon at +-5000 pesos, almost twice its actual price.
If I want a Start Collecting! from the international store I'll have to pay $20.10/£15.48 additionally.
Would be interesing to see if there are other effects on any other country included as "Rest of the World".
Maybe look for some US retailers or UK retailers that have shipping cost that aren't absurdly expensive. Element games for example, is where I buy from Uk to Spain, because is of the ones with reasonable postage costs.
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2017/05/06 00:51:25
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World" (Limited Areas Only!)
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: As far as I can tell anyone in the americas and in australia would be unaffected. Back to my sadpanda face.
I'm a little disappointed that GW didn't take this as a chance to screw Oz again. I guess that's proof Kirby's gone.
Australians don't pay in GBP, we pay in AUD, so if they swapped to charging us USD that'd result in a decent drop in price.
When Az said....
Azreal13 wrote: There was no chance, sterling is down against every major currency. If some economists are correct, expect to see the policy reversed in a few years.
He meant in the context that this policy only applies to countries that currently pay in GBP, because the GBP is the one that's tanked.
If the policy were to expand to other countries like Oz and NZ which don't already pay in GBP, you'd have to take in to account the local regional pricing and the local exchange rate vs the USD, not the GBP vs USD.
If GW started charging us in GBP, that'd be a massive price drop for us, if they then swapped to USD the prices would go up a bit, but still no where near as bad as the current AUD prices.
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Bossk_Hogg wrote: They're selling in pounds to UK residents, but refuse to sell the same items in pounds to US residents
Have you ever walked in to a physical store in the US and seen them list prices in GBP?
You might be able to buy from online stores in GBP, but GW has physical stores in the USA, their online price is going to match their in store price and the in store price is always going to be listed in USD.
The absolute BEST you could hope is that GW charged retailers by the GBP wholesale price, that way individual retailers could potentially reduce prices as their wholesale price decreased. But that's also not going to happen because GW has a dedicated US distribution system, so wholesalers are going to be in USD as well.
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2017/05/07 15:55:13
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World" (Limited Areas Only!)
Bossk_Hogg wrote: They're selling in pounds to UK residents, but refuse to sell the same items in pounds to US residents
Have you ever walked in to a physical store in the US and seen them list prices in GBP?
You might be able to buy from online stores in GBP, but GW has physical stores in the USA, their online price is going to match their in store price and the in store price is always going to be listed in USD.
The absolute BEST you could hope is that GW charged retailers by the GBP wholesale price, that way individual retailers could potentially reduce prices as their wholesale price decreased. But that's also not going to happen because GW has a dedicated US distribution system, so wholesalers are going to be in USD as well.
Do you just not know how exchange rates work? I'm unclear how you don't see GW is charging ROW customers significantly more than they're charging UK customers for the same item? That is the "colony tax" we're referring to, which is entirely accurate. The pound tanked, but GW just wants to ignore that and pretend it's still worth $1.50.
2017/06/06 02:14:48
Subject: GW Pricing to be based on USD for "The Rest of the World" (Limited Areas Only!)
Bossk_Hogg wrote: They're selling in pounds to UK residents, but refuse to sell the same items in pounds to US residents
Have you ever walked in to a physical store in the US and seen them list prices in GBP?
You might be able to buy from online stores in GBP, but GW has physical stores in the USA, their online price is going to match their in store price and the in store price is always going to be listed in USD.
The absolute BEST you could hope is that GW charged retailers by the GBP wholesale price, that way individual retailers could potentially reduce prices as their wholesale price decreased. But that's also not going to happen because GW has a dedicated US distribution system, so wholesalers are going to be in USD as well.
Do you just not know how exchange rates work? I'm unclear how you don't see GW is charging ROW customers significantly more than they're charging UK customers for the same item? That is the "colony tax" we're referring to, which is entirely accurate. The pound tanked, but GW just wants to ignore that and pretend it's still worth $1.50.
the change from GPB to USD in ROW store just increased the price of whatever we could have bought before may 2nd by 25% what made things worse they are still charging us prices with taxes added to them when we are not supposed to pay TAX when they are shiping there products internationally
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