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xerxeshavelock wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/07/warband-focus-spiteclaws-swarmgw-homepage-post-1/

Skaven focus article and tactics basics.

They seem to describe them as a counter to the more aggressive playstyles. I was somewhat under the impression that Objective based strategies were dominating?


Yes and no. Good objective based play from Skeletons is already a fairly solid counterbuild against aggressive Orruks and Stormcast, but Orruks are by and far the most popular, and fighty Stormcast just won LVO. Aggro combat builds are extremely common, fun to play, and very consistent, so you see a lot of them at events. It's not strictly stronger than Objective based play, though, in my experience.
   
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So as someone clearly well versed, how would you say the game itself is working out?

I'm still on the fence here, so looking for input from all!

   
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I was at LVO's Grand Clash, which was quite fun. Every Warband was represented, though Orruks I think made up most of the field (but not the top tables).

I think there's quite a good balance, at the moment. From my experience, every army has good and bad matchups, but you can build your deck and play in such a way to mitigate the bad ones. Unlike 40k or AoS, I don't think "bad matchup" means "likely to lose unless you severely outplay/luck out", more like forces you to play outside your comfort zone.

I really like the tournament setup. Bo3 is a much better system than just one long game. While I still enjoy 40k and AoS, a game can be really decided by a couple bad dice rolls or being caught by surprise by a list you've never faced. Bo3 is just way better in nearly every way.

We'll see what happens to the meta in a month or so with the new Warbands, I think both will be fairly viable and the new cards will shake the game up quite a bit.
   
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The bo3 thing is what’s really piqued my interest, especially as the game relies on your deck.

Those of us who play MtG will all be familiar with Grumpy Deck Syndrome, where for the love of Pete you just can’t draw anything actually useful. Bo3 helps mitigate that, helping ensure victory is down to player decisions rather than sheer bad luck.

   
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Does anyone think there is a need to start sideboarding for tournaments? The warbands seem diverse enough that a middle-ground strategy seems weak, and an extreme strategy becomes a luck draw - you either win big or lose big. Is that how people have found it, or are games generally best player/deck wins?
   
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xerxeshavelock wrote:
Does anyone think there is a need to start sideboarding for tournaments? The warbands seem diverse enough that a middle-ground strategy seems weak, and an extreme strategy becomes a luck draw - you either win big or lose big. Is that how people have found it, or are games generally best player/deck wins?


Usually I have not much nice to say about it, BUT I have noticed it does tend to be the better player (or most comfortable with their deck&dudesmen) who wins more often than not. I do have ot point out that my sample size is miniscule, but these are veteran gamers all sooo take it for what its worth (a "hater" saying its pretty well balanced)
   
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So high risk high impact vs play it safe is all equally viable?

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So high risk high impact vs play it safe is all equally viable?


Unless its me doing it, then yes, IF I AM trying, it will fail, regardless. go sepulchral @$$clowns :(
   
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What's B03, BTW?

How are tournaments about proxy figures / conversions? I am inclined to turn the Sigmarines into 40K minis, and use three of the Mierce mesocolossus minis for them: http://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_atl_ils_min_500_000

I'm also on the fence re: Shadespire but will probably pick the starter set up soon.

My painting & modelling blog: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/699224.page

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The Invigorated Dead Objective seems very weak. It gains you a single Glory point, yet it looms like you have to have given at least 6 points to the enemy to score it. Is it part of a strategy I don't understand, or simply a poor card?
   
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Ian Sturrock wrote:What's B03, BTW?

How are tournaments about proxy figures / conversions? I am inclined to turn the Sigmarines into 40K minis, and use three of the Mierce mesocolossus minis for them: http://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=pro&pre=mrm_dkl_atl_ils_min_500_000

I'm also on the fence re: Shadespire but will probably pick the starter set up soon.

Bo3 is Best of 3, meaning instead of playing one game you play up to 3 and the person who gets 2 Victories is the winner. It's much better for mitigating bad draws or bad dice rolls, which can turn a close game into a shutout. And since the game plays so fast, getting a series of Bo3s in at a tournament is the best way to play.

I'd play it like any other GW game. If it's a local tournament, they don't care about proxies as long as it's clear what is what. If you go to a GW store or GW run event such as a Grand Clash, then no proxies and conversions only if they use GW parts. It's a bit of a pain but to be expected.
xerxeshavelock wrote:The Invigorated Dead Objective seems very weak. It gains you a single Glory point, yet it looms like you have to have given at least 6 points to the enemy to score it. Is it part of a strategy I don't understand, or simply a poor card?

It's not great. I think the design is such that you give up all that glory, but you have scored enough in the meantime and your remaining Inspired fighters are strong enough to fight back to make up for the differential, but it's unlikely to be the case. Not a card I would use in my decks, personally.
   
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I don't think Invigorated Dead is something you'd plan a strategy around. It's more like if you're going to play aggressively and expect to get a lot of your guys killed doing whatever you plan to do, that card gets you some glory for a situation you might be in anyway. But yeah, even then it doesn't seem worthwhile, since it's only one glory.
   
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Proud to say I won a local Organized Play tournament yesterday in my hometown! Won all my games with my Stormcast Eternals, playing vert defensively. It was very fun, and I got some alternative art cards as a prize. The Shadespire trophy and more alternative art cards are on the way, since GW hadn't given the store the entire organized play kit in one go for some reason..

It was great fun, and I managed to fight against the dwarves in one of my games. There was a Skaven player as well, but unfortunately I did not get to face off against him. The dwarves seem really interesting, and I can't wait to try them out. My opponent placed his objectives high up his board, and into my board as well, and then he marched up his models up the board, stoppping by the objectives and getting inspired on the way.

They hit really hard, but fortunately they are really slow before inspiring. In my game I managed to win the roll-off and placed the boards so they were as long as possible, and only one dwarf made it into close combat. Clearly a weak point for that warband. But they are very interesting, and fun to see so fast after release. Painted as well, the guy was really fast with that!

Alpharius? Never heard of him.  
   
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I've managed to get in a good number of games with Garrek's reavers.

No numbered objective cards in my deck, all objectives that are aggressive in some way:

Objectives:

Denial
Let the blood flow
swift advance
conquest
brawl
contained
blood for the blood god
khornes champion
khorne cares not
annihilation
coward
it begins

Upgrades: all go on Garrek. I switch them around a lot but the idea is to turn garrek into a powerhouse by the end of the game. My new favorite is vampiric weapon, and particularly useful is grisly trophy (very powerful against the skellies and rats)

Ploys: a lot of upgrades that cycle my cards and draw more cards, final blow (and now death throes) are both useful when i sacrifice my own men.

General strategy: everyone charges forward and attempts to surround, then pick off the enemy piece by piece, except garrek kind of hangs back and stays safe the first few rounds. either i am successful in killing the enemy, at which point i try to go
for the annihilation and containment objectives, or i am becoming outnumbered, at which point i try to go for the Khorne's champion objective card.

 
   
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So quick question for you guys. If I bought the starter and all the current expansions, could I make two decks for two different warbands that are competitive using the contents?

Which warbands would be the best to split all the cards between?
   
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 NH Gunsmith wrote:
So quick question for you guys. If I bought the starter and all the current expansions, could I make two decks for two different warbands that are competitive using the contents?

Which warbands would be the best to split all the cards between?


Probably. It remains to be seen what cards would rise to the surface, but there's enough variety between defensive and offensive strategies that there's no shortage of cards to make a deck of each. I know I feel like I have enough for 2 decks and I don't currently have the dwarves or rats.
   
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 NH Gunsmith wrote:
So quick question for you guys. If I bought the starter and all the current expansions, could I make two decks for two different warbands that are competitive using the contents?

Which warbands would be the best to split all the cards between?


I think the answer is probably almost certainly yes, there might be one or two cards that you can get by other means (trade or ebay) but that's the worst case scenario.

You'd probably also have to run different strategies, like 'objective marker capture' versus 'area control/aggression'.

 
   
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 Meade wrote:
 NH Gunsmith wrote:
So quick question for you guys. If I bought the starter and all the current expansions, could I make two decks for two different warbands that are competitive using the contents?

Which warbands would be the best to split all the cards between?


I think the answer is probably almost certainly yes, there might be one or two cards that you can get by other means (trade or ebay) but that's the worst case scenario.

You'd probably also have to run different strategies, like 'objective marker capture' versus 'area control/aggression'.


Great! Thanks for that info, would the skeletons be good for objective capturing? And how good are the Dwarves or Skaven at area control/aggression?
   
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 NH Gunsmith wrote:
 Meade wrote:
 NH Gunsmith wrote:
So quick question for you guys. If I bought the starter and all the current expansions, could I make two decks for two different warbands that are competitive using the contents?

Which warbands would be the best to split all the cards between?


I think the answer is probably almost certainly yes, there might be one or two cards that you can get by other means (trade or ebay) but that's the worst case scenario.

You'd probably also have to run different strategies, like 'objective marker capture' versus 'area control/aggression'.


Great! Thanks for that info, would the skeletons be good for objective capturing? And how good are the Dwarves or Skaven at area control/aggression?


The dwarves seem to be suited well for an objective game or some kind of hybrid, and the skaven and skellies are both good at capturing objectives for their high model counts.

The skaven have a particularly cool ability to regenerate a dude on the other side of the board. so he can appear there in a place to score an objective that might have no models anywhere near it.

But those teams just came out and i haven't played many games with them.



 
   
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Stormcasts are exceptional for an objective and defense focused deck. Check this article on Warhammer Community, I got a lot of inspiration for my deck using it:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/07/defend-and-deny-dec-7gw-homepage-post-3/

Alpharius? Never heard of him.  
   
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New sample decks are up. Only 2, but it's a start.
https://warhammerunderworlds.com/deck-guides/

The Skaven suggests using Forceful Denial to prevent Earthquake. I'm of the feeling that the best response to an Earthquake is another Earthquake. Barring the odd edge objective it should put things right back where they belong.
   
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Denial is definitely a better counter to Earthquake than another Earthquake, but that second Earthquake is also an option.

Won a small six man local event over the weekend playing the new Dwarves for the first time. Glory deck was near purely Objective focused, with the power deck being as many pushes as I could squeeze in along with the two “healing potions” available. All three opponents played decks that ignored the objectives, so I never had to compete for them.

Beat Sigmar in the first round, 10-7. Orcs in the second,10-4? This game saw my leader kill the three non-leader Orcs in the second turn, one shotting each as he made his way from one objective to another. Third round was another Sigmar, 19-4. I actually scored 20 points, but got robbed. The big score here was ending the game with four Dwarves, on four objectives, each holding to key to their respective objective.

Never had an Earthquake used against me. Used mine twice to move an opponent off an objective I wanted while moving myself closer to it. Super strong card.

 
   
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Hi Guys apologies if this is the wrong place for this question, just flag for deletion if so.

I've been watching a lot of videos on Shadespire recently, my interest has suddenly become piqued. I think it looks very strong as an "intermediate" game somewhere between wargame and board game for my friends that are....less enlightened than the rest of us with 40k/AOS or have much less time.

How have you found the game in terms of playing with people who might have little to no interest in wargames? Does the game play as quickly as it seems and does it suit a casual audience much better?

I guess I can feel the strings of fate pulling me towards Shadespire and just want to ensure it's not a wasted purchase as I'd be looking to play quick games with people who are interested in board games but not so much Warhammer.

Also I'm guessing there will be "seasons" of releases, like with MTG. Would it be worth, given how many factions are already released, waiting until the next big wave of releases with a starter set? Would the 2 seasons be compatible with each other?

Again, apologies if this is not the place for such a question but I couldn't see much more on Shadespire here.
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Denial is definitely a better counter to Earthquake than another Earthquake, but that second Earthquake is also an option.

Won a small six man local event over the weekend playing the new Dwarves for the first time. Glory deck was near purely Objective focused, with the power deck being as many pushes as I could squeeze in along with the two “healing potions” available. All three opponents played decks that ignored the objectives, so I never had to compete for them.

Beat Sigmar in the first round, 10-7. Orcs in the second,10-4? This game saw my leader kill the three non-leader Orcs in the second turn, one shotting each as he made his way from one objective to another. Third round was another Sigmar, 19-4. I actually scored 20 points, but got robbed. The big score here was ending the game with four Dwarves, on four objectives, each holding to key to their respective objective.

Never had an Earthquake used against me. Used mine twice to move an opponent off an objective I wanted while moving myself closer to it. Super strong card.


Would you mind sharing your deck? I'm trying to make Fyreslayers work but having trouble, everyone just stacks pushes and keeps Fjul off of objectives. Do you play passively? How do you deal with getting 2 objectives on your side and the opponent blocking you?
   
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I’ll try to remember to look and make a list of the cards I took. Haven’t had to deal with only having two objectives on my side as all three games saw me with three, so I definitely had that luck in my favor.

 
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Hi Guys apologies if this is the wrong place for this question, just flag for deletion if so.

I've been watching a lot of videos on Shadespire recently, my interest has suddenly become piqued. I think it looks very strong as an "intermediate" game somewhere between wargame and board game for my friends that are....less enlightened than the rest of us with 40k/AOS or have much less time.

How have you found the game in terms of playing with people who might have little to no interest in wargames? Does the game play as quickly as it seems and does it suit a casual audience much better?

I guess I can feel the strings of fate pulling me towards Shadespire and just want to ensure it's not a wasted purchase as I'd be looking to play quick games with people who are interested in board games but not so much Warhammer.

Also I'm guessing there will be "seasons" of releases, like with MTG. Would it be worth, given how many factions are already released, waiting until the next big wave of releases with a starter set? Would the 2 seasons be compatible with each other?

Again, apologies if this is not the place for such a question but I couldn't see much more on Shadespire here.



My honest opinion, you might get a few folks here and there but the people that i see attracted to Shadespire are the type that already enjoy 'skirmish' type miniature wargames, they might do Warhammer 40k or sigmar on the side but they are attracted by the models and the
competitive play. You might also get a few crossover from MTG.

I would say that the game suits a casual audience insofar as it is easy to learn and quick to play, but it ends there. If people don't have that competitive edge to them, they will lose interest quick. 1v1 games can feel very intense like a chess match. It quickly turns into something where you are factoring a lot of stuff around in your head.

I have a feeling that future releases will have at least some crossover potential but IMO it is also a good thing for a competitive game if it goes in seasons like that. Otherwise the combos and power creep stack up real quick once the product line starts to expand, especially if its very popular.

 
   
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Haven't received my Chosen Axes yet but are they difficult to Inspire? Seems like you really have to stack the deck with objective claiming early just to get one or two of them inspired.

I've only played a few matches though so I may have no idea what I'm talking about
   
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They don’t have to score an objective to become inspired, just end a round sitting on one. They’ll become inspired even if you have no cards that score objectives.

 
   
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Oh damn, that's way different. Good news!
   
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Does anyone have any opinions on ranking the warbands? Or even tournament results? From the Facebook group it seems like Skaven are showing well, and I've had my best results with both Skaven and Garrek's Reavers - the 2 fastest forces. The Undead on the other hand I'm struggling with somewhat. Always close games, but being pipped most of the time.
   
 
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