Captain Marvel trailer

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**Ouze**

Aw yeah, we got there by the second page.

**gorgon**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
gorgon wrote:
It'd be an interesting twist if she was a cocky jerk as a fighter pilot, and later learned humility after she gained her powers.

Unlike Tony, or Thor, or Rocket, or Peter, or Stephen, or....

Jerk who takes a level in kindness is kind of the default Marvel hero archetype.

Oh...oh okay.

Well, another interesting original twist would be if her space patrol team mentor and commander ended up going bad and becoming her arch-nemesis.

**adamsouza**

It doesn't help that most of the publicity for this movie so far hasn't been positive.

Marvel pretending that Captain Marvel is a much loved flagship character.

Brie Larson alienating critics and fans when Ocean's 8 came out when she said she doesn't care what white men think about movies.

Brie Larson's Kristen Stewart impersonation.

Captain Marvel being the first Wave 4 movie, but made on a smaller budget than Ant-Man.

No Captain Marvel trailer or panel at SDCC.

**Lance845**

I find it unlikely that mahr vell will be a bad guy.

I think its more likely that skrulls will kill him, but also plant seeds of doubt in carol danvers head about how she was brain washed.

It will turn out that its shades of gray with the kree being ass holes but so are the skrulls so feth them both and go to earth. Oh wait... Skrulls are there. Kill skrulls.

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The next spiderman is the first phase 4 movie. Captain marvel is the movie before avengers 4 which is the last in phase 3. The buzz around this movie is extremely positive. I really dont understand how your seeing otherwise.

**Mysterio**

Sounds about right Lance!

And I'm not out there scouring the net for CM stuff, but I really haven't run into any of the 'backlash' that A. Souza is describing...

**adamsouza**

I literaly know no one who is excited about Captain Marvel, other than the people payed to be so.

Captain Marvel is like Han Solo/Ghostbusters movie of the Marvel Universe. No one really asked for it, and it could be okay, but they are going burn bridges with a huge portion of the fan base by denouncing any critics of it as sexist, racist, bigoted, etc..

**Elemental**

Ouze wrote:
Aw yeah, we got there by the second page.

And with a personal attack on me, to boot. But it's handy when people signal so early on in a potential debate that they're not worth the keystrokes.

Reported, blocked, forgotten.

**gorgon**

Lance845 wrote:
I find it unlikely that mahr vell will be a bad guy.

AFAIK, no one's actually confirmed that he's Mar-Vell. Per Law:

"Yes, it’s been reported I’m playing Mar-Vell. I’m not going to confirm or deny that."

If he is, then why the secrecy?

**Mysterio**

adamsouza wrote:
I literaly know no one who is excited about Captain Marvel, other than the people payed to be so.

Do you know.have you asked a lot of people about Captain Marvel, or just a few?

And you can see a few posts here from people who are excited to see it..

adamsouza wrote:

Captain Marvel is like Han Solo/Ghostbusters movie of the Marvel Universe. No one really asked for it, and it could be okay, but they are going burn bridges with a huge portion of the fan base by denouncing any critics of it as sexist, racist, bigoted, etc..

Again, even if that it happening, it certainly doesn't appear to be happening where a lot of people seem to be seeing it or commenting on it.

I won't say literally no one is, but...

**Turnip Jedi**

This is Spar...errr the Intertubes, remember the middle ground along with having no opinion either way was outlawed following the 'Anger gets clicks done' accord of 2009

**adamsouza**

Excited to see it because it is a Marvel movie, or excited because they are a Captain Marvel fan ?

I'm going to watch it because I watch all the Marvel movies and TV series.

The modern Captain Marvel is most famous for being Ms Marvel, who lost her powers to Rogue, of the X-Men. Marvel comics tried and failed to make her a replacement for Captain America, and her movie is being made mostly because of the Avengers cast aging out of their roles and wanting out.

The movie is being made on a modest budget.
The advertising for the movie has been modest.

The preview did not "break the internet". If you don't understand that reference and how it relates to this movie, then trust me that I have better grasp of the situation.

Go on youtube. There are hundreds of videos about the Captain Marvel movie, people want it to do well but no one has high expectations.

**Mysterio**

adamsouza wrote:

The preview did not "break the internet". If you don't understand that reference and how it relates to this movie, then trust me that I have better grasp of the situation.

Things are becoming clearer...

And...did someone in this thread claim the trailer 'broke the Internet'?

Are you getting confused about what you've said to whom, and where you said it?

adamsouza wrote:

Go on youtube. There are hundreds of videos about the Captain Marvel movie, people want it to do well but no one has high expectations.

Ah,yeah, YouTube, sure.

**DarkTraveler777**

adamsouza wrote:
Brie Larson alienating critics and fans when Ocean's 8 came out when she said she doesn't care what white men think about movies.

I had to look this up, and I don't think you are framing Larson's statement accurately at all.

https://variety.com/2018/scene/news/brie-larson-minority-film-critics-1202845853/

Larson was on hand to accept the Crystal Award for Excellence in Film Wednesday night at the Beverly Hilton when she dedicated her speech discussing the recent “Critic’s Choice” study, published by USC Annenberg on Monday. Citing the study, Larson said, “Of the 100 highest-grossing movies in 2017, less than a quarter of the critics were white women, less than ten percent were underrepresented men, and only 2.5 percent were women of color.”

Larson emphasized the issue this presents for today’s industry, given that “reviews change lives” and impact the films that are considered for awards season. She also reiterated the importance in having an industry that truly reflects the communities we live in.

“Am I saying I hate white dudes?” the Oscar-winning actress asked repeatedly throughout her speech. “No, I’m not,” she answered.

“I don’t want to hear what a white man has to say about ‘A Wrinkle in Time.’ I want to hear what a woman of color, a biracial woman has to say about the film. I want to hear what teenagers think about the film.”

“If you make a movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is a chance that a woman of color does not have access to review and critique your film,” she said, while revealing plans to roll out an opt-in program that will provide studios with access to underrepresented journalists and critics. “Do not say the talent is not there, because it is.”

So, a little different than "Brie Larson doesn't care what white men think about movies," yes?

Change the script. Imagine something you are passionate about, that represents part of your identity that isn't represented elsewhere in mainstream media/culture, and then someone outside of that group gets the opportunity to judge the merits of your special thing. It would be annoying wouldn't it? Now, if those critiques also impacted how well that special thing you liked did financially, and influenced how many more of those special things would get made in the future, wouldn't you want at least some people judging that special thing that were part of the group it was intended for?

That seems to be Larson's argument. Broaden the critics judging and writing about movies because movies aren't only made for white, male audiences.

And I am excited about Captain Marvel. I agree that Larson's stone-face throughout the trailer is reminiscent of Kristen Stewart but from other movies I've seen her in (Train Wreck, Scott Pilgrim) she was emotive and natural on screen, so I am going to give the film and her the benefit of the doubt that she isn't wearing that expression through the whole movie. Or maybe she is and it is a plot point, who knows?

**Easy E**

Reading comments on YouTube melts your brain.

**Mr Morden**

adamsouza wrote:
I literaly know no one who is excited about Captain Marvel, other than the people payed to be so.

Captain Marvel is like Han Solo/Ghostbusters movie of the Marvel Universe. No one really asked for it, and it could be okay, but they are going burn bridges with a huge portion of the fan base by denouncing any critics of it as sexist, racist, bigoted, etc..

Well disney did that with Last Jedi as did some paid critics.......

Trailer looks ok - didn't grab me like a normal marvel trailer - maybe the next one will.

Don;t really now anything about her apart form the odd appearance in X Men comics - vaguely recall that she was another lady who fell for Logans charms IIRc and lost her powers to Rogue?

I thought the point was she had the same expression through different periods of life?

Wonder if we will have any other cameos - wouldn;t Agent Carter be about as well?

**Mysterio**

Agent Carter would still be really old in the 90's.

So sure, I guess there's a chance she could show up?

Odds are that the time travel shenanigans of A4 is where she'll be seen next, if anywhere.

**LunarSol**

Easy E wrote:
Reading comments on YouTube melts your brain.

I'm finding this particularly subforum not far off as of late.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

adamsouza wrote:
I literaly know no one who is excited about Captain Marvel, other than the people payed to be so.

Captain Marvel is like Han Solo/Ghostbusters movie of the Marvel Universe. No one really asked for it, and it could be okay, but they are going burn bridges with a huge portion of the fan base by denouncing any critics of it as sexist, racist, bigoted, etc..

I’m excited for it.

Yet I’m broke until payday.

Explain that one, clever trousers. And given it’s the usual ‘mughhhhhhhhh disagree YOU BEEN BRIBED’ argument is popping up again? Evidence to support your assertion please.

**Ouze**

Mr Morden wrote:
Don;t really now anything about her apart form the odd appearance in X Men comics - vaguely recall that she was another lady who fell for Logans charms IIRc and lost her powers to Rogue?

Yeah, that was her, back when she was Ms. Marvel, and it's why Rogue can fly, is super strong, etc etc.

You know, now that the MCU and the X-men are going to be a thing again... It could happen!

**Lance845**

I only really got to know her around dark reign/heroic age time. Like most comic characters her history is really dumb.

Shes a good character that has been used really well in recent years.

Side note: in the comics jessica jones best friend that played the Trish Walker role in the Alias comics was Carol Danvers.

Captain Marvel was replaced with trish in the nextflix show. Trish of course has a semi complicated publication history but is currently a super hero named HellCat. We might see that start in JJ s3.

**BobtheInquisitor**

In all honesty, I'm excited for this because it's a Marvel movie. I, too, only knew Ms Marvel from Rogue's footnotes. And other than the grannypunch, this trailer doesn't do much more than establish "here comes a Marvel movie". For me, it's enough.

And I get the reference to Brie Larson thinking her Captain Marvel picture would break the Internet. Maybe she thought they were going with the pic she took next to Kim Kardashian's derrière? Either way, her miscalculation was commented on by Screen Junkies and others, so she's hopefully learned to tone it down a bit.

I don't think there's much merit in the criticism that CM isn't a beloved main character. After Guardians and Ant-Man, everyone I know trusts Marvel; everyone expects to like the character due to past experiences. I don't find the "women power" elements to be anywhere near as pervasive or irritating as other posters--it just reminds me a bit of the Wonder Woman hype, which seems to be working for CM rather than against CM. After the record-breaking success of Black Panther, Marvel would have to be stupid not to play up the representation angle at least a little. I don't think it's wrong or offensive for them to do this.

**adamsouza**

Mysterio wrote:
adamsouza wrote:

The preview did not "break the internet". If you don't understand that reference and how it relates to this movie, then trust me that I have a better grasp of the situation.

Things are becoming clearer... And...did someone in this thread claim the trailer 'broke the Internet'?

Things are indeed getting clearer... You are not as up to date on your pop culture and Captain Marvel references as I am.

Brie Larson's twitter feed made a feeble attempt to "break the internet", her words, not mine, with a lame preview of The Captain Marvel movie.

Dude, you want to get pumped and White Knight for this movie go ahead, but there is no way you can convince me this movie has the general populace or critics expectations high.

Captain Marvel is on track to be the lowest grossing Marvel movie to date.

Obscure Character that most people don't know? Check!
Character underperforming in comic sales? Check!
Character reboot divisive amongst comic fans? Check!
Movie's star actress pushing identity politics? Check!
China, a huge share of the movie market, not a fan of identity politics? Check!
Movie's star with the same "fart face" in every promotional material? Check!

Explain that one, clever trousers. And given it’s the usual ‘mughhhhhhhhh disagree YOU BEEN BRIBED’ argument is popping up again? Evidence to support your assertion please.

Nothing in my statement is incorrect. I never said the only people who support the movie have been bribed. The only people I've seen supportive about it are people in the entertainment industry trying to hype the movie.

Rando's on DakkaDakka, who may or may not be trolling, don't really factor into my equation

To those who disagree with me. Why do you think Captain Marvel will be great?

**Lance845**

1) Marvel movies have only gotten more competently made with better variety and tone in the last 3ish years.

2) Marvel made everyone give a gak about a racoon that walks like a man and a talking tree.

3) comic sales dont impact movie sales. The movie crowd for marvel movies dont actually give a gak about the comics at all.

4) the % of the movie going population who is paying attention to twitter feeds and gender politics articles is small and insignificant. Most people just go to the movies to watch whatevers on. And at this point people count on marvel for quality.

I think your saying some real dumb gak when you assume this is on track to be the worst.

**DarkTraveler777**

Why are you pushing this false narrative that Larson is trying to play identity politics? You flat out lied in your last post about this and misrepresented her statement (destroying all of your argument's credibility in the process). Just stop. Focus on her "fart face" if you like, but don't just make gak up.

**Mysterio**

adamsouza wrote:
Mysterio wrote:
adamsouza wrote:

The preview did not "break the internet". If you don't understand that reference and how it relates to this movie, then trust me that I have a better grasp of the situation.

Things are becoming clearer... And...did someone in this thread claim the trailer 'broke the Internet'?

Things are indeed getting clearer... You are not as up to date on your pop culture and Captain Marvel references as I am.

Brie Larson's twitter feed made a feeble attempt to "break the internet", her words, not mine, with a lame preview of The Captain Marvel movie.

Dude, you want to get pumped and White Knight for this movie go ahead, but there is no way you can convince me this movie has the general populace or critics expectations high.

Captain Marvel is on track to be the lowest grossing Marvel movie to date.

Obscure Character that most people don't know? Check!
Character underperforming in comic sales? Check!
Character reboot divisive amongst comic fans? Check!
Movie's star actress pushing identity politics? Check!
China, a huge share of the movie market, not a fan of identity politics? Check!
Movie's star with the same "fart face" in every promotional material? Check!

Explain that one, clever trousers. And given it’s the usual ‘mughhhhhhhhh disagree YOU BEEN BRIBED’ argument is popping up again? Evidence to support your assertion please.

Nothing in my statement is incorrect. I never said the only people who support the movie have been bribed. The only people I've seen supportive about it are people in the entertainment industry trying to hype the movie.

Rando's on DakkaDakka, who may or may not be trolling, don't really factor into my equation

To those who disagree with me. Why do you think Captain Marvel will be great?

So many logical fallacies there.

You're 100% making stuff up and attributing stuff to me I never said - it's odd and amusing too.

I tell you what - let's meet up at the AMC and Dartmouth when the movie opens up - I'll bet you'll even enjoy it, if you can get over whatever it is about Captain Marvel that rubs you the wrong way.

(Good thing Shazam is Shazam now too, and not...Captain Marvel, right?)

**Hulksmash**

I personally dont think it's going to be "GREAT" but I do think it's going to be good. It's got he right elements, the visuals and soundtrack seem good, it's got Jackson and young Coulson. It's an introduction of the first full length female led marvel film. Basically it has a ton going for it.

Wonder Woman performed amazingly for a meh movie with a crappy (in my opinion) actress. Brie Larson in comparison has an excellent recent track record beyond fast and furious movies. The movie is going to be fine.

I do love how you think this has low support for advertising 6 months before it comes out....and if wonder woman can do fine I China this will be fine too. Stop getting so worked up about "identity" and "gender" politics. We dont have this argument every time a white hero movie comes out.

**Mysterio**

Ant-Man wasn't exactly a household name either, at the time.

And probably not now either.

Maybe humor sells better when it comes to not as well known characters?

I've already expressed my doubts over Captain Marvel as "most powerful hero" - Thor is probably that, especially newly powered up Thor at that.

Still, we'll see - but I bet at a minimum we'll see an entertaining movie!

**Elbows**

I was an avid comic book kid, but I gotta say this trailer did nothing for me. I think I'm simply burned out on super hero stuff. This trailers shows me absolutely nothing interesting to convince me to go watch it. Just more super punchy heroes with a gak ton of CGI.

Meh.

**AegisGrimm**

Regardless of what some say about movies like Captain America and the first Thor, most of the last decade worth of Marvel movies leads me to believe Captain Marvel will be a perfectly good movie.

I just think people who enjoy such things are really chomping at the bit to see Marvel stumble, and they simply....don't, so those people just get more and more wound up.

I mean, come on. Black Panther rolled out some REALLY formulaic "hero's journey" tropes, and is STILL a great movie.

**Ahtman**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Confirmed trick of the light. Nothing to do with Captain Marvel.

Wouldn't surprise me. Some friends were going on about it when the Infinity War Bluray came out and seemed worth sharing given the context of the thread. I'm sure I'll see it as I have a few friends very excited to see it though I am somewhat indifferent. I imagine it will be entertaining enough to warrant a watch so I'm not to worried.