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 Just Tony wrote:

I now realize that I need about twelve movies with Jude Law as Mar-Vell and that will not happen. Even money on him dying heroically to save Carol, so she names her superhero identity after him.

I've got a feeling that Jude's Mar-Vell will initially be a 'good guy' but will end up as the Big Bad by the end.

Then possibly to be revealed as a Skrull at the end, so it wasn't really him, so that way she can still name herself after him?

Too bad the FF isn't here yet, because the Super Skrull is one hell of a bad ass!

Why is this film set in the 1980s or whenever it is? Anyone know?

Super Skrull is such a weird character. In the context of his creation and generally all his encounters with the Fantasic Four, he just comes across as a gimmick. I honestly can't think of a story involving the F4 of his that I like. When he's a character as a part of the greater Marvel cosmic universe, he's pretty layered and interesting.

People are going to label me a hater, but I'm not feeling the 'wows' over that trailer. The broader storyline seems awfully reminiscent of the first Thor film. *shrug*

Is it 100% confirmed that Law is playing Mar-Vell? Because it seems like he's been a little evasive about that in interviews. And if he can't confirm the character he's playing, that suggests he's playing a known villain and they don't want comics fans figuring out the plot.

KTG17 wrote:
Why is this film set in the 1980s or whenever it is? Anyone know?

It's set in the 90's, possibly so that they can introduce a new, super-powerful super-heroine and then explain where she's been all these years (and why she wasn't able to help stop Thanos) and so that she can then arrive to save the day vs. Thanos.

Maybe?

Plus, setting this in the 90's allows all sorts of interesting world building opportunities for the MCU, as well as giving us a lot of time with younger versions of key characters in Shield.

Maybe they want to introduce a hero who was lost to time and is forced to cope with the changes in society upon waking in the modern day?

I think I have aged out of comic book movies. The trailer had no impact on me whatsoever.

Guys, as I noted above, this trailer was specifically created for the other 52%, not for you.

I thought it made her backstory look really convoluted and confusing.



.......Oh it is actually convoluted and confusing!

 LunarSol wrote:
Maybe they want to introduce a hero who was lost to time and is forced to cope with the changes in society upon waking in the modern day?

Captain America Marvel - I hero lost in time.

And yeah, the repressed memory/selective amnesia thing... oh well!

I remain hopeful and optimistic though!

I dug the trailer, but I'm a hopeless Marvel fanatic at this point. As someone born in the late 80s I do hope that the movie really channels that 90s vibe and includes some iconic tunes of that era.

 Easy E wrote:
.......Oh it is actually convoluted and confusing!

Yeah. They're going to need to take that backstory and just.... trim about 35 years out of the middle of it. I read tons of comics with her in it, back when she first became Binary, and it was a confusing mess. And then it got worse.

Spoiler territory

 LunarSol wrote:
Super Skrull is such a weird character. In the context of his creation and generally all his encounters with the Fantasic Four, he just comes across as a gimmick. I honestly can't think of a story involving the F4 of his that I like. When he's a character as a part of the greater Marvel cosmic universe, he's pretty layered and interesting.

That's because the FF make everything bad and boring by contagion. (Not just the films. Also the original comics. Everything)

Ouze wrote:Yeah. They're going to need to take that backstory and just.... trim about 35 years out of the middle of it. I read tons of comics with her in it, back when she first became Binary, and it was a confusing mess. And then it got worse.

Honestly, yes. 'This is only Marvel we're going to deal with in the MCU. No, shut up.' seems the best approach to me. Kidnapped, empowered, fought. Done, move on with plot.
The film does not need to get bogged down in elaborate comicbook-dom or lengthy angst and fridge horror.

The Binary plot would need a dramatic new take or... roughly... six X-men films to set up.

creeping-deth87 wrote:I dug the trailer, but I'm a hopeless Marvel fanatic at this point. As someone born in the late 80s I do hope that the movie really channels that 90s vibe and includes some iconic tunes of that era.

Not going to lie, I really don't want another cringey musical-misappropriation soundtrack. 2 GotG films is more than enough.

Voss wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Super Skrull is such a weird character. In the context of his creation and generally all his encounters with the Fantasic Four, he just comes across as a gimmick. I honestly can't think of a story involving the F4 of his that I like. When he's a character as a part of the greater Marvel cosmic universe, he's pretty layered and interesting.

That's because the FF make everything bad and boring by contagion. (Not just the films. Also the original comics. Everything)

That's certainly one (incorrect) opinion.

Voss wrote:

Ouze wrote:Yeah. They're going to need to take that backstory and just.... trim about 35 years out of the middle of it. I read tons of comics with her in it, back when she first became Binary, and it was a confusing mess. And then it got worse.

Honestly, yes. 'This is only Marvel we're going to deal with in the MCU. No, shut up.' seems the best approach to me. Kidnapped, empowered, fought. Done, move on with plot.
The film does not need to get bogged down in elaborate comicbook-dom or lengthy angst and fridge horror.

It won't, and there really was a 0% chance of that ever actually happening.

Super-Skrull is a good idea, but he's generally only within the FF context, which makes things wierd simply due to the nature of the FF being a deeply dysfunctional team with a jerk of a leader and ridiculousness from their very inception. It's a real pity that it's where Galactus and the Silver Surfer are homed.

Anyhow.... Super-Skrull will likely be an Ultron-level threat, and that'll be just fine for the CM movie, given that she'll be part of an Avengers-level Kree team. I think it'll be great!

 LunarSol wrote:
Maybe they want to introduce a hero who was lost to time and is forced to cope with the changes in society upon waking in the modern day?

Sure, that and someone who's exiled from her people, who live in a wondrous faraway place with technology we can only dream of. I also think there's a chance that someone close to her from that place is a scheming traitor.

It'd be an interesting twist if she was a cocky jerk as a fighter pilot, and later learned humility after she gained her powers.

FF are kind of like Superman. They're the template for so many things that trying to do them the way they were initially just comes across as cliche. They were better as more matured concepts, with Reed and Sue married with kids on bizarre high concept sci-fi adventures. Trying to make them teenagers fighting crime with their superpowers is turf the X-Men claimed long ago.

 gorgon wrote:
It'd be an interesting twist if she was a cocky jerk as a fighter pilot, and later learned humility after she gained her powers.

Unlike Tony, or Thor, or Rocket, or Peter, or Stephen, or....

Jerk who takes a level in kindness is kind of the default Marvel hero archetype.


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 LunarSol wrote:
FF are kind of like Superman. They're the template for so many things that trying to do them the way they were initially just comes across as cliche. They were better as more matured concepts, with Reed and Sue married with kids on bizarre high concept sci-fi adventures. Trying to make them teenagers fighting crime with their superpowers is turf the X-Men claimed long ago.

The FF are a poorly-executed expy of the Incredibles.

Favorite parts of the trailer:
Nick Fury
Agent Coulson
Captain Marvel punching an old lady.

Least favorite parts of the trailer:
Brie Larson with the same facial expression in every scene.

It's like what's her face from the Twilight movies that played Bella with the same mildly annoyed/confused expresssion 90% of the time.

 adamsouza wrote:
Least favorite parts of the trailer:
Brie Larson with the same facial expression in every scene.

It's like what's her face from the Twilight movies that played Bella with the same mildly annoyed/confused expresssion 90% of the time.

Friends labeled it: "smelling the fart".

But yeah, she looks constipated
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Now, compare with just one minute of Matthew Perry in Friends:

Plot twist: There is no "Carol". She is a Skull changed into human form and brainwashed with fake memories of Earth. She is the Kree's secret weapon (somehow... ?) against the Skrulls.

Also they don't have the rights to Super Skrull. "But they do now!". No, they don't. Not yet anyway. And this film is been... well... filmed. The main bad guy is the Skrull Talos, but I'm betting on Jude Law also being a bad guy.

 Ahtman wrote:
Spoiler territory

Spoiler:

In Infinity War you can see Cull Obsidian wearing what looks like the scarf/belt/whatever of Captain Marvel as a trophy but since this version is still around odds are this is the original from Captain Mar-Vel. It could just be an Easter Egg with no connection but that doesn't seem likely. I imagine this filme is going to tell the story of how the Black Order (Thanos' little crew) got it as well as establish the history between Marvel and Thanos as a cosmic villian.

Confirmed trick of the light. Nothing to do with Captain Marvel.

Looks passable, although getting strange Green Lantern flashbacks

Spidey is the Marvel Superman, strong moral code from adoptive parents, his science geekness labels him as an outsider, the majority of his problems relate to being Peter, or least trying to balance the two, and prior to the MCU one of maybe two or three Marvel characters know outside comic/geek culture (X-men, and maybe Hulk being the others)

 Mysterio wrote:

Voss wrote:

Ouze wrote:Yeah. They're going to need to take that backstory and just.... trim about 35 years out of the middle of it. I read tons of comics with her in it, back when she first became Binary, and it was a confusing mess. And then it got worse.

Honestly, yes. 'This is only Marvel we're going to deal with in the MCU. No, shut up.' seems the best approach to me. Kidnapped, empowered, fought. Done, move on with plot.
The film does not need to get bogged down in elaborate comicbook-dom or lengthy angst and fridge horror.

It won't, and there really was a 0% chance of that ever actually happening.

I'm actually curious if you really believe that or if you're just snark posting because you're offended at my opinion of the FF.
Either way, I'd like to see some reasoning- the MCU so far hasn't at all been shy about just skipping quite a lot of the nonsense buried in 50+ years of comics 'canon' and retcons.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plot twist: There is no "Carol". She is a Skull changed into human form and brainwashed with fake memories of Earth. She is the Kree's secret weapon (somehow... ?) against the Skrulls.

That wandered through my mind (particularly when she was in the restraints), but seems too cliche.

Voss wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:

Voss wrote:

Ouze wrote:Yeah. They're going to need to take that backstory and just.... trim about 35 years out of the middle of it. I read tons of comics with her in it, back when she first became Binary, and it was a confusing mess. And then it got worse.

Honestly, yes. 'This is only Marvel we're going to deal with in the MCU. No, shut up.' seems the best approach to me. Kidnapped, empowered, fought. Done, move on with plot.
The film does not need to get bogged down in elaborate comicbook-dom or lengthy angst and fridge horror.

It won't, and there really was a 0% chance of that ever actually happening.

I'm actually curious if you really believe that or if you're just snark posting because you're offended at my opinion of the FF.
Either way, I'd like to see some reasoning- the MCU so far hasn't at all been shy about just skipping quite a lot of the nonsense buried in 50+ years of comics 'canon' and retcons.

I think you're confused?

And by that, I mean beyond your ridiculous Hot Take on the FF (which was so off base that it's almost impossible to get offended by what appears to be a largely uninformed opinion).

Though possibly I wasn't clear enough?

I was actually agreeing with you by saying that there was a 0% chance of the Captain Marvel movie getting overly bogged down with her rather ridiculously convoluted comic book history.

Anyway, now that the MCU does have access to all of the X-Men and FF properties, there are a lot of cosmic level threats for just about anyone and everyone to face.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Least favorite parts of the trailer:
Brie Larson with the same facial expression in every scene.

It's like what's her face from the Twilight movies that played Bella with the same mildly annoyed/confused expresssion 90% of the time.

Friends labeled it: "smelling the fart".

But yeah, she looks constipated

That's a pretty good description.

Maybe after living with Kree all those years humans smell funny

JohnHwangDD wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Least favorite parts of the trailer:
Brie Larson with the same facial expression in every scene.

It's like what's her face from the Twilight movies that played Bella with the same mildly annoyed/confused expresssion 90% of the time.

Friends labeled it: "smelling the fart".

But yeah, she looks constipated

Beavis and Butthead had the best description of Kristen Stewart in Twilight: "Is Bella a zombie? Because all she does is, like, stand around with her mouth hanging open."

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Guys, as I noted above, this trailer was specifically created for the other 52%, not for you.

I know it's inevitable that any superhero movie with a non-white-guy protagonist will become a battlefield in the culture war, but let's not bait out the stupid arguments before we need to, yeah?


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 Just Tony wrote:

Beavis and Butthead had the best description of Kristen Stewart in Twilight: "Is Bella a zombie? Because all she does is, like, stand around with her mouth hanging open."

Or in the Rifftrax:

Edward: "Are you afraid?"
Comentators: "Seriously, I can't tell what expression you're going for. You just look nauseated."

 Elemental wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Guys, as I noted above, this trailer was specifically created for the other 52%, not for you.

I know it's inevitable that any superhero movie with a non-white-guy protagonist will become a battlefield in the culture war, but let's not bait out the stupid arguments before we need to, yeah?"

REMOVED BY BROOKM The film is being marketed with the overtly feminist "The Future is Female" tag:


There are obvious feminist references within the trailer. If you are too unaware to see them, that's on you, but they absolutely are there.

Boo hoo?

The agenda of women should be treated equally is obvious?