Monolith Games: Conan 2020 Kickstarter

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**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Beyond the Monolith: Discounts.

Hello.

On Monday, January 6, the Conan, Beyond the Monolith Kickstarter campaign will be launched. We are excited to share the discount policy for our past pledgers, as well as new pledgers that they can sponsor. After several discussions with our pledge manager’s (Gameontabletop) technical team and our lawyer (given how restrictive European GDPR regulations are), we finally opted for the simplest solution to implement, which also mitigates legal-technical issues: A discounted price on items that pledgers to our previous campaigns might already own.

 We will shortly contact former pledgers, through campaign updates from past KS campaigns as well as a Facebook announcement.
 Pledgers to past campaigns will be given the option to receive a discount, based on their participation in past campaigns, by simply entering their email address into a web form.
 Based on their previous participation, they will be assigned a Pledger Profile (Empty profile, Conan, Conan + MBP, MBP + Batman, Conan + Batman +MBP + Claustrophobia, etc.). These are listed in Column 1 of our Discount Table : https://the-overlord.com/index.php?/conan/discount-table/

Next up, three possible scenarios:

1) I have pledged to Monolith in the past and I’ll be pledging to the January 6 campaign: Easy! Keep your discounts by entering your email address in the discount offer form. As a bonus, you can receive more discounts by getting one or more friends to sponsor you, exclusively for this campaign.

2) I have pledged to Monolith in the past and don’t plan to pledge to the January 6 campaign: Sponsor a friend by entering their email address in the discount offer form, which will give them your discounts, exclusively for this campaign. It’s a great way to make sure the deal doesn’t go to waste!

3) I have never pledged to Monolith, but I plan to pledge to the January 6 campaign: Ask one or more friends to give you their discounts, exclusively for this campaign. They do this by entering your email address into the discount offer form.

What is my Monolith Pledger Profile?

- Each Profile is made up of a combination of the past Monolith campaigns in which the pledger and their sponsors have participated.
- Any person having backed at least $20 on a campaign is considered as a pledger of this campaign.

How does this sponsorship and the temporary gifting of rights work?

- To sponsor someone, simply enter their email address in the discount offer form (available soon.) By doing this, you temporarily, and for this campaign only, give up that discount. The person you’ve sponsored can then add it to any discounts they already have.

!!! Which pledgers will have access to these discounts? !!!

- In order to access your Pledger Profile discounts, you must have backed the campaign at one or more of the base levels (“Pledge Leader” or “Bat-Pledge) during the January 6th to 13th Kickstarter campaign.

When can I take advantage of these discounts?

- The specific discounts linked to your profile will appear after the campaign, directly in the pledge manager, listed as KS campaign prices, minus the discounts listed in the Discount Table : https://the-overlord.com/index.php?/conan/discount-table/

If the discounts on the sums I paid during the Kickstarter are only deducted in the Pledge Manager, what can I do with them?

- Simple. You will be credited the difference between what you paid during the KS and your discounted price in the PM. That credit can be used to pay for shipping or additional items.

How much time do I have to fill out the Monolith discount offer form?

 The form will remain live up until 5 days before the pledge manager opens. Please note that the form can only be submitted once. It is not possible, for example, to sponsor someone and then change your mind. In addition, given that profiles are linked to the email addresses used to log in to past campaigns, Monolith is in no way responsible for lost or changed email addresses.

If my initial profile already has a game that one of my sponsors gifted me, do the rights related to these games add up?

- They don’t. This would run counter to the spirit of the operation. This is why we are talking about the combining/merging of profiles, rather than adding on. Redundancies are ignored.

A few examples (from the simplest to the most complex):

Example 1:
- I pledged to both Conan and Mythic Battles Pantheon. Therefore, my Monolith Pledger Profile is “Conan + Mythic Battles Pantheon”. This gives me the discounts shown in the Discount Table, row “Conan + MBP” : https://the-overlord.com/index.php?/conan/discount-table/

Example 2:
- I pledged to Batman and don’t plan to pledge to the Conan BTM campaign.
I can sponsor a friend by giving up all rights linked to my pledger profile—exclusively for this campaign. To do so, I just enter their email in the discount offer form.

Example 3:
- I’ve never pledged to a Monolith campaign, but a friend pledged to Conan and another to Batman. Neither plans to pledge to the Conan BTM campaign. I can reach out and ask if they’d be willing to sponsor me. Their profiles, combined with my “Blank” profile, create my “Conan + Batman” profile, which gives me access to the discounts listed in the “Conan + Batman” row in the Discount Table, exclusively for this campaign.

Example 4:
- I pledged to the Mythic Battles Pantheon campaign and I’ve got a friend who pledged to the Batman campaign, and doesn’t plan to pledge to Conan BTM.
I can ask them to sponsor me. Once they do, my Pledger Profile becomes “Batman + MBP”. This gives me access to the discounts listed in the “Batman + MBP” row in the Discount Table :
https://the-overlord.com/index.php?/conan/discount-table/

Example 5:
- I previously made pledges using more than one email address.
All I have to do is choose one email address and make sure to sponsor it from my previously-used addresses. This email address will be assigned a profile combining all of my previous pledges into a single Pledger Profile.

Example 6:
- I previously pledged to Batman. I was sponsored by a friend who pledged to both Conan and Batman, but I’ve since decided not to pledge to the BTM campaign after all and I’d like to sponsor another friend, who pledged to Claustrophobia…
Easy! I’ll just sponsor that friend, who will then be assigned a “Conan + Batman + Claustrophobia” profile. They’ll receive all discounts shown in the “Conan + Batman + Claustro” row in the table below.

Discount Table :
https://the-overlord.com/index.php?/conan/discount-table/

This table gives you information on all discounts to which your Pledger Profile gives you access. View the table by using this url : https://the-overlord.com/index.php?/conan/discount-table/
Then simply go to the row corresponding to your Pledger Profile to see which discounts you will receive starting Monday, January 6.

Please, share this publication, so that a maximum number of friends take advantage of these Discounts.

I'm afraid I;m confused by what Monolith has said

**Sacredroach**

It is a complicated way of making an easy chart: Pledged for everything they have done in the past? Get the bottom row discounts. Pledged for some random combination of the part projects: Get one of the other combination discounts.

For example, if you backed everything but Claustrophobia, you get 15/10/20/10/20.

If you only backed Batman and Conan, you get 15/10/20/10/0

I expect this table will make more sense once the project launches.

**Gallahad**

Dang, anybody want to send me a discount voucher they aren't planning on using? I couldn't pledge previous Conan campaigns, and had to buy it at retail.

I'll put up an add in swap shop when I get home from work, maybe I'll get lucky. I could offer something in return... I do decent art, could also send some minis depending on the size of discount.

I think this is an interesting and entirely rational way to offer previous backers discounts that will ultimately end up confusing people and make them feel weird emotionally.

**Alpharius**

Monkeysloth wrote:

Haven't shown any other boxes yet. With the KSer less then a month away I'd expect to see those reviled sooner then later.

I see what you did there!

Unless...you're serious, and you're telling us that Pan Fo are in the new Conan game?!?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Gallahad wrote:
Dang, anybody want to send me a discount voucher they aren't planning on using? I couldn't pledge previous Conan campaigns, and had to buy it at retail.

I'll put up an add in swap shop when I get home from work, maybe I'll get lucky. I could offer something in return... I do decent art, could also send some minis depending on the size of discount.

I think this is an interesting and entirely rational way to offer previous backers discounts that will ultimately end up confusing people and make them feel weird emotionally.

I've got see what's specifically on offer and what the prices end up being before I decide if i'm backing or not (and what santa delivers),

but if I don't end up doing so i'll let you have my voucher (I've backed Batman from them previously)

**Monkeysloth**

From some FB comments the full KSer preview will be up several days before it goes live.

The Leader pledge will be $119. According to the info graphic above that's 2 faction boxes and the core system stuff for Vs.

**Sacredroach**

So in theory if you have backed at least three of their projects that Leader Pledge could be as low as $101.15

**Monkeysloth**

Or just Conan and Batman. Though Monolith said in a comment it would be $99 at 15% off.

**Commodus Leitdorf**

Man I'm torn...one one hand I have the original Kickstarter that I am very much still trying to finish painting and I really shouldn't add anything else to my pile...

on the other hand, more Conan!

Its hard guys.

**Carlovonsexron**

I'm another beggar.for someone's discounts, if anyone finds they or a.friend doesnt want to pledge themselves!

**godardc**

Is this the same company than the last Conan Kickstarter, doing a next level, or is it another company producing yet another Conan ?

**Carlovonsexron**

Its the company who did the really big, really successful conan kickstarter from a few years ago (4 or 5, I think.)

**godardc**

Okay, that's the one I was speaking about. It was a wonderful box from what I saw. Glad they are committed to it and successful !

**ced1106**

Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
on the other hand, more Conan!

I think Monolith no longer does retail (they lost money on every box of the Conan boardgame they sold to distributors), so, if you want more Conan, pledge!

Other companies have Conan rights, but I think Monolith's the only one who will do miniatures? Modiphius has the RPG rights, and Pulpasaurus' (sp) miniatures game KS failed.

**Monkeysloth**

According to comments on Monoliths website there's no sole license for "miniatures" or "boardgames" so Monolith wasn't being blocked from doing their KSer by Shinobi 7 (who still has the a license) or Pulpasaurs (who doesn't) but there is a limit on how far apart KSers have to be and the games have to be different.

Ced is right they aren't doing retail as Conan was a huge loss for them to get Asmodee to carry it. However they've been talking recently about having an online store.

**Carlovonsexron**

Some if the pulpasaurus sculpts looked pretty good- does anyone know what happened to them/the cad files ?

**Monkeysloth**

The scenery ended up with Reaper but I've not seen any of the others. Some of the art they showed from the CROM game ended up in some Modiphus books so those were sold off.

**ced1106**

Thanks for the info about licensing, Monkeysloth! Licensing is a big yellow flag when it comes to KS, since licensing companies vary in how much they interfere with a project (eg. 20th Century Fox). Also, licensing terms vary considerably and you cannot make assumptions (and have every right to smack someone who does

Anyway, I got the email about the discounts and you need to have backed for $20 or more to qualify. No mention if a retail purchase counts.

"Note: Minimum pledge amount requirement: A backer must have pledged a minimum of $20 on a previous Monolith campaign to be considered a PRIOR backer in terms of this program. This restriction applies to both backers of the Kickstarter and/or late backers who came on board during the pledge manager."

**Monkeysloth**

Retail purchases do not count. They've stated this on FB. The reason they allow you to give someone else your code is partly to make up for this but they have no way to prove you backed and the discounts are geared towards providing people the copies of things from the old KSers at manufacturing cost.

Going back to licensing when the Pulpasourus game was announced I think even monolith though they had lost the license as their posts on their forums were pretty angry but all the comments at the time of the Shiobi 7 deal were announced had them stating things that I mentioned above. Now Maybe Monolith can't make a small scale skirmish game due to Shinobi's license and maybe Pulpasourus's would have prevented them from doing VS but neither would prevent the boardgame nor has them having the boardgame prevented other boargame or minis appearing (see privateer press).

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Having an ip in multiple hands is always awkward,

as I suspect GW is going to find if Amazons LoTR tv show takes off as I suspect they're going to have to fork out for a licence for that too (the IP is not the one under which the movies were made) or another minis company will pick it up

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Dear Backers

The Discount and Sponsorship Form is uploaded and ready.

Yesterday, we contacted our previous backers via a Kickstarter update.

This update outlined the loyalty program we are implementing.

Today we are publishing the form that will allow you to register for this discount program or register a friend in your place.

To register, click on the link below, fill out the form with your email or that of a friend, and accept the terms and conditions.

Discount and Sponsorship form link:

https://forms.zohopublic.eu/…/iVp_n-hxDpkjJXvcxnlCkM4PjtE5A…

Additionally , some backers found it challenging to fully understand the structure of the program, so we have uploaded a small discount calculator for you to use to help you figure out your final discount.

To see what your total discount on products in the upcoming Kickstarter will be, simply check the boxes of those campaigns in which you or your sponsor have participated, and your discount is displayed.

Discount Calculator Link:

https://docs.google.com/…/1pezU6dwJL9aRY0iXdXS39jvKCP…/edit…

REMEMBER – you only get one shot at registering for and submitting the Discount Form, read it carefully, enter the correct email either for yourself or your sponsor, agree to the terms and conditions and fire away.

The Kickstarter campaign is called Conan: Beyond The Monolith – and it goes Live on January 6th and closes on January 13th,2020.

Thank you.

Team Monolith

Monolith No Hurry.
You have until 5 days before the PM to register.
But please, read cautiously the last update.

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**Monkeysloth**

The form should be active until a few days before the pledge manager closes so you don't have to fill it out now or during the campaign.

**Casbyness**

I'm still just waiitng for Ragnarok. I have some of the 2015 Conan boards and minis, but only the things I really liked. I have everything from Pantheon and my little lonely Norse warrior guy has been patiently waiting for years to be joined by friends

**Monkeysloth**

Well only about 6 more months for that unless it gets pushed back.

**Monkeysloth**

Monolith put out a video, French with subtitles ,covering Beyond the Monolith some more and mentioned they're currently in discussions to get Lord of the Rings and Shadown run. The way he talks about them is sounds like it's almost a done deal.

For the "Second Life" sets like Zombiecide they're hoping that the box will be $30 (maps, unit tiles and so on) + the $25 needed for the core vs box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mf3VIer4AM

**ced1106**

Nice -- Where will we be getting the Shadowrun figures from? Haven't seen any since the "action figure" game years ago!

**Monkeysloth**

I know catalyst has a few coming up for 6th but both the LoTR and Shadowrun were talked about before the "Second Life" in the Universe Box section with Conan so it looks like Monolith will make them. Now if only Someone would buy the RPG rights that actually cares about the game and I'd be happy as Catalyst is in yet another refusing to pay contractors for work controversy.

**Albertorius**

Monkeysloth wrote:
Monolith put out a video, French with subtitles ,covering Beyond the Monolith some more and mentioned they're currently in discussions to get Lord of the Rings and Shadown run. The way he talks about them is sounds like it's almost a done deal.

For the "Second Life" sets like Zombiecide they're hoping that the box will be $30 (maps, unit tiles and so on) + the $25 needed for the core vs box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mf3VIer4AM

If they make decent Shadowrun minis I could be in trouble...

**warboss**

Albertorius wrote:

If they make decent Shadowrun minis I could be in trouble...

You'll be fine. There is an unspoken decades old curse on anyone who attempts to make quality official Shadowrun miniatures.

**Monkeysloth**

warboss wrote:
Albertorius wrote:

If they make decent Shadowrun minis I could be in trouble...

You'll be fine. There is an unspoken decades old curse on anyone who attempts to make quality official Shadowrun miniatures.

Case in point there were some pretty decent figures made for Boston Lockdown. That game shut down after only a few years and the studio that made it closed down (but will be coming back as the original devs got Microsoft to agree to video game preservation foundation to host servers).

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