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I don't know if it counts as THE "Hive Mind" but there was, in the audio book Heart of Rage, iirc, a mechanicum adept or higher up who merged with a Hive Tyrant, while investigating "dead" hive ships. You get some of the Hive Mind's thinking, as well as the perspective of the Space Marines who investigate (the SM psyker) who try to defeat it.

Probably not a ton of detail, but more grist for the mill.

 Overread wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Not if going through hell is much faster, gets you closer to the destination and is pretty safe for you because you're effectively a monster so big that you eat the monsters.

Perhaps, however there might be other aspects; eg the shadow in the warp might prevent travelling through the warp in regular means. It might cause such disruption to that realm that it makes travel impossible. A bit like saying that crossing a type rope is faster, except that you're a bouncing ball that will make the rope wobble all over the place and make it very likely that you'll fall off and end up anywhere but at your destination, if you survive at all.

It violates the KISS principle. The setting is simpler and more elegant with the Warp as its defining excuse for “weird stuff”. And we already know the Tyranids are capable of utilizing the warp. Keep it simple.

It’s just stupid to introduce another form of FTL into the setting. Necron superscience kind of made sense, but squishy space bugs can be dissected, their physics understood. The Mechanicus or Tau should have techno-Narvhals by now. Setting solved.

Besides, drastically slowing down Tyranids FTL makes little sense with regards to genestealer and Lictor penetration into the Imperium. It also reduced the threat that the Tyranids represent, when they were one of the few remaining interesting threats to the Imperium.

Bob as someone who calls themselves an Inquisitor you should be aware that the last thing the Imperium of Man would EVER do is use any kind of filthy xeno science! The Purity of Human design is absolute! How dare you question your forebares and the will of the the Machine Spirit Gods by even dare suggesting that the Imperium dirty itself adapting alien technology!


Also did you miss the part where it causes massive geological instability? If the Imperium used it they'd tear their own planets apart just visiting them! Tyranids can do this because they've no investment in the planets and they've thus no worry about causing massive earthquakes or volcanic eruptions.

Like they couldn’t aim them at the jovians nearest the target planets.

pm713 wrote:
Not if going through hell is much faster, gets you closer to the destination and is pretty safe for you because you're effectively a monster so big that you eat the monsters.

A small bit of lore in "the devastation of baal" suggests that the tyranids had not encountered the warp before coming to the milkey way galaxy. So who knows, the warp might not extend beyond "our" galaxy.

 Overread wrote:

There are some earlier bits of lore that suggested that those who managed some form of communication with the Hive Mind felt that it was afraid/fleeing something.

That bit of lore does not exist. The possibility of the tyranids fleeing from something was introduced in the 5th eiditon codex, as a possible reason among several others. "Pharos" pretty much killed that possibilty though.

 Overread wrote:
Heck we don't even really know if Tyranids are driven by a consuming need.

That is one of the few things we know for sure.

 godardc wrote:
As long as I recall, maybe we are seeing the last tyranids, ever.

What makes you think that?

It is a plot point that the IoM doesn't understand Tyranids, they are not reverse enginnering Narwhals.

Where is it mentioned that the psykic species of psyker synapse creatures with warp-powered Zoanthropes knows about the warp? Seriously? Where does the Hive Mind live? How do genestealers work if there’s no warp connection? Are we supposed to just accept multiple independent layers of psychic energy dimensions? How is that good for the setting?

Read any fluff from before 5th edition. It is far more coherent. From the Baal stuff, it sounds like modern Tyranids are a completely different thing from Tyranids classic.


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Tyran wrote:
It is a plot point that the IoM doesn't understand Tyranids, they are not reverse enginnering Narwhals.

If the Narvhals use gravitational manipulation, then DAoT mankind would certainly have discovered a safer form of FTL. Unless you want the Tyranids to step on Necrons’ superscience toes (which 5th edition nerfed because they thought it was too much for the setting?), there is no parsimonious explanation for how Tyranids have a non-soul-risking FTL that DAoT mankind never figured out. And if you want to go the superscience way, might as well make the Hive Mind a C’Tan. Otherwise you are just stacking super special snowflake variables onto an established setting that never needed them.

Giving Tyranids non warp psykers and FTL is like giving Mandalorians non-Force-related psychic powers (and non-hyperspace FTL).

The DAoT humanity may have, all we know about them is mostly speculation and most of their tech is lost. Whatever they accomplished is irrelevant to the setting.

pm713 wrote:
Not if going through hell is much faster, gets you closer to the destination and is pretty safe for you because you're effectively a monster so big that you eat the monsters.

There might be reasons the Nids can't use Warp Drives, or some equivalent. I think the Narvhal is actually a good variant FTL for them. Some variety is good in your sci-fi setting. Its boring when everyone uses the same thing, which is why I didn't like the Necron retcon of how their FTL works.

Given that the Hive Mind's control seems to require some proximity to its creatures from various nodes, its possible that Hive Fleets cannot enter the warp because it would disrupt the Hive Mind's control. Yes, the Nids have a massive warp presence. But the "Shadow in the Warp" is often described as static interference with psychic abilities and warp technologies. Which is why Nids interfere with warp drives. That interference might work both ways. Nids cause a massive disturbance with the Hive Mind's existence, but that disturbance also prevents them from using the warp.

This is also a convenient plot device as to why the Nids haven't just eaten everything yet. Traveling by Narvhal is slower than warp travel, hence why they haven't just destroyed the galaxy yet.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Read any fluff from before 5th edition. It is far more coherent. From the Baal stuff, it sounds like modern Tyranids are a completely different thing from Tyranids classic.

Quoted for truth. Tyranids uses to be so cool and well integrated to the setting. Now they get their psy powers from...the Hive-Mind, for example.
Not from the warp. Like, what ?



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 Andersp90 wrote:

 godardc wrote:
As long as I recall, maybe we are seeing the last tyranids, ever.

What makes you think that?


Well, we absolutely don't know the scale of the tyranic invasion, maybe there are thousands of them hive fleet still coming, maybe not. It was just to point out that we don't know for sure, and we have never known. So that wouldn't be a retcon or anything.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
How do genestealers work if there’s no warp connection?

The same way they have always worked. They are highly intelligent and form their own miniature "hive mind".

In 2nd edition it was called "brood intelligence".



In 3rd edition it was renamed to "brood telepathy".

Where does the Hive Mind live?

Not in the warp, and I am unsure why you would think that? The fact that the hive mind is the gestalt consciousness of the tyranids, have been around since 2nd edition, but it has never been implied to recide in the warp (well partially, in "the devastation of baal").

Where is it mentioned that the psykic species of psyker synapse creatures with warp-powered Zoanthropes knows about the warp?

Well, thats the thing. In 2nd edition, zoanthropes were stated to be a specialised form of the warrior, designed to harness the psychic potential of the hive mind. That was then retconned in the 3rd edition codex, with zoanthropes being stated to have been engineered from harvested eldar DNA ( genestealers from human DNA and biovores from ork DNA).
Then, in 5th edition, it was implied that tyranid psykers drew their power directly from the hive mind, and not the warp, which was then later confirmed in 6th edition.
All of these changes from 2nd edition and onwards kinda leads well into your next point..

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Read any fluff from before 5th edition. It is far more coherent

..and I think you catch my drift.

Im still a bit puzzled though. Why does the tyranids losing the ability to warp travel mean so much to you? It was never something that defined them as a species, so why does it matter?

Also, the psychic species of the galaxy owe their bond to the warp do to the old ones "fiddling" with their DNA. So why should a species from another galaxy share the same bond?

 godardc wrote:

Well, we absolutely don't know the scale of the tyranic invasion, maybe there are thousands of them hive fleet still coming, maybe not. It was just to point out that we don't know for sure, and we have never known. So that wouldn't be a retcon or anything.

It would be quite the retcon.

2nd edition.



8th edition.

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Tyran wrote:
Images are broken.

Should be fixed now.

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:
Images are broken.

Should be fixed now.

Still broken.

Tyran wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:
Images are broken.

Should be fixed now.

Still broken.

Hmmm. They are showing up just fine on my pc.

Cant you see them, or whats the problem?

I see them

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:
Images are broken.

Should be fixed now.

Still broken.

Hmmm. They are showing up just fine on my pc.

Cant you see them, or whats the problem?

I can't see them and trying to open them in a new tab says the site cannot be reached.

Tyran wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:
Images are broken.

Should be fixed now.

Still broken.

Hmmm. They are showing up just fine on my pc.

Cant you see them, or whats the problem?

I can't see them and trying to open them in a new tab says the site cannot be reached.

https://imgur.com/a/bfVUq9Y

 nintura wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:
Images are broken.

Should be fixed now.

Still broken.

Hmmm. They are showing up just fine on my pc.

Cant you see them, or whats the problem?

I can't see them and trying to open them in a new tab says the site cannot be reached.

https://imgur.com/a/bfVUq9Y

Do you only see those two pics?

 Andersp90 wrote:

 nintura wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 Andersp90 wrote:

Tyran wrote:
Images are broken.

Should be fixed now.

Still broken.

Hmmm. They are showing up just fine on my pc.

Cant you see them, or whats the problem?

I can't see them and trying to open them in a new tab says the site cannot be reached.

https://imgur.com/a/bfVUq9Y

Do you only see those two pics?

i see the two about genestealers above, but that's it.

 nintura wrote:


i see the two about genestealers above, but that's it.

Sounds like its working then.

Tyran wrote:

I can't see them and trying to open them in a new tab says the site cannot be reached.

Mabye the site is blocked in your region for some reason. Try using a VPN and see if that helps.

Could try uploading them to imgur. I can do it if you want. We are talking about the genestealer images right?

Fluff writers keep things simple, people want more detail. They add more detail, people don't like that either. More depth is read at the most shallow possible level then accused of being absurd. Yeah, if you take a 2D slice of a sculpture it isn't going to look very good.

Not to say GW hasn't written bad fluff. They absolutely have. But really, on the overall scale of fictional-setting-fluff humans have produced the Tyranids are pretty good.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Fluff writers keep things simple, people want more detail. They add more detail, people don't like that either. More depth is read at the most shallow possible level then accused of being absurd. Yeah, if you take a 2D slice of a sculpture it isn't going to look very good.

Most importantly, people want fluff that corresponds with their particular view of the setting/races. And when people have a view of the setting/races that does not correspond with what is acutally written in the fluff, there are bound to be problems when new lore is added.

 nintura wrote:
Could try uploading them to imgur. I can do it if you want. We are talking about the genestealer images right?

Already tried it. But I just get a tiny "picture" icon/error when i post it.