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 Xenomancers wrote:
Marines are an enigma right now.

The single most straightforward, point-and-click army in the game is an enigma?

To paraphrase the kids these days: 'Ok, Xeno...'

 Xenomancers wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that orks are super strong in their own way.

So was Rudy, they still didn't make a sequel.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

So was Rudy, they still didn't make a sequel.

This is probably the most incredible point I've seen all day. Thank you for that.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Marines are an enigma right now.

The single most straightforward, point-and-click army in the game is an enigma?

To paraphrase the kids these days: 'Ok, Xeno...'

 Xenomancers wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that orks are super strong in their own way.

So was Rudy, they still didn't make a sequel.

I ment that its difficult to understand why they are on such another level. Just compare their traits with everyone else. Plus super doctrines. They are playing a completely different game.

Rudy wasn't actually good. He wasn't even allowed to play because he was so terrible lol.

Bharring wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

So was Rudy, they still didn't make a sequel.

This is probably the most incredible point I've seen all day. Thank you for that.

Rudy came out 26 years ago. Feel old yet?

 Xenomancers wrote:
I ment that its difficult to understand why they are on such another level. Just compare their traits with everyone else. Plus super doctrines. They are playing a completely different game.

Rudy wasn't actually good. He wasn't even allowed to play because he was so terrible lol.

There's a few options there, 1 sell marine models 2 more codex updates are coming 3 reason to roll out a new edition. The only one that has some vaguely redeeming aspect to it is #2, which will bring us WH40K, super-lethality edition, with a new tagline 'In the grim darkness of turn 3, everything is dead.'

 Xenomancers wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that orks are super strong in their own way.

So was Rudy, they still didn't make a sequel.

I ment that its difficult to understand why they are on such another level. Just compare their traits with everyone else. Plus super doctrines. They are playing a completely different game.

Rudy wasn't actually good. He wasn't even allowed to play because he was so terrible lol.

So... Rudy is the Stompa?

Bharring wrote:
So... Rudy is the Stompa?

....and, /thread, bravo everyone, well done!

There was two reasons I made that post.

1) even the "top" Ork players don't "win practically every game".

2) even the "top" Mrines players don't "win practically every game".

Whether you play "tournament" or not, unless you cheat, are supernaturally lucky, are only playing kids with their first army, or are only playing people who are purposefully running back while you run the latest and greatest net-list, the chances that you'll win "practically every game" are slim to none.

You're real bad about making mountains out of molehills, and it surprises me that you still get shocked when people call ya out on it.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I ment that its difficult to understand why they are on such another level. Just compare their traits with everyone else. Plus super doctrines. They are playing a completely different game.

Rudy wasn't actually good. He wasn't even allowed to play because he was so terrible lol.

There's a few options there, 1 sell marine models 2 more codex updates are coming 3 reason to roll out a new edition. The only one that has some vaguely redeeming aspect to it is #2, which will bring us WH40K, super-lethality edition, with a new tagline 'In the grim darkness of turn 3, everything is dead.'

The real question is. Why doesn't GW want to sell tyranids too?


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 flandarz wrote:
There was two reasons I made that post.

1) even the "top" Ork players don't "win practically every game".

2) even the "top" Mrines players don't "win practically every game".

Whether you play "tournament" or not, unless you cheat, are supernaturally lucky, are only playing kids with their first army, or are only playing people who are purposefully running back while you run the latest and greatest net-list, the chances that you'll win "practically every game" are slim to none.

You're real bad about making mountains out of molehills, and it surprises me that you still get shocked when people call ya out on it.

Luck is about making the right choices. Winning is about bringing a superior list for the most part. Orks have a lot of units that are just silly. AP-4 and 5 all over the place. Psychic powers that go off practically automatically and teleport units anywhere on the table. 5++ invo aura that affects their whole army. Really hard to lose with that army man.

I guess I am pretty lucky too. Not sure why unlucky people would play an army like orks.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 flandarz wrote:
There was two reasons I made that post.

1) even the "top" Ork players don't "win practically every game".

2) even the "top" Mrines players don't "win practically every game".

Whether you play "tournament" or not, unless you cheat, are supernaturally lucky, are only playing kids with their first army, or are only playing people who are purposefully running back while you run the latest and greatest net-list, the chances that you'll win "practically every game" are slim to none.

You're real bad about making mountains out of molehills, and it surprises me that you still get shocked when people call ya out on it.

Luck is about making the right choices. Winning is about bringing a superior list for the most part. Orks have a lot of units that are just silly. AP-4 and 5 all over the place. Psychic powers that go off practically automatically and teleport units anywhere on the table. 5++ invo aura that affects their whole army. Really hard to lose with that army man.

If it's hard to lose with Orks, why do they have such a crappy win rate?

I guess I am pretty lucky too. Not sure why unlucky people would play an army like orks.

It's bad luck to be superstitious.

 Xenomancers wrote:
5++ invo aura that affects their whole army.

Again, this is not accurate. KFF only affects units ENTIRELY within the bubble. This might protect a couple key units, if you're lucky.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
5++ invo aura that affects their whole army.

Again, this is not accurate. KFF only affects units ENTIRELY within the bubble. This might protect a couple key units, if you're lucky.

Show me the ork army fitting under a kff

We have 7 weapons with AP-4 or better, 3 of which are CC weapons (and of those 3, 1 is Killa Kan exclusive, another is Stompa exclusive, and the last is only for Gorkanauts/Morkanauts), and of the 4 ranged options, 1 is a gun on the Stompa and another has a whopping 8" range. Very scary stuff here, Xeno.

The maximum bonus you can get with Waagh Energy is +3. All Waagh Discipline Powers range from 6 to 8 (1 6, 2 7s, 3 8s). Da Jump, which you can only use once a turn, has a 7. So, even at maximum Waagh Energy, you still have a 1 in 12 chance of failing (you also have about a 1 in 3 chance of dealing D3 MWs to yourself). Also "anywhere on the table outside 9" from an enemy unit".

A 5++ Invuln Aura that costs 20 pts (plus the cost of the unit equipped with it) and only affects units that are entirely within 9" of that unit.

Yes. Real hard to lose with that army. Every single one of those Ork players who've lost in tournaments must be either terrible or unlucky.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I ment that its difficult to understand why they are on such another level. Just compare their traits with everyone else. Plus super doctrines. They are playing a completely different game.

Rudy wasn't actually good. He wasn't even allowed to play because he was so terrible lol.

There's a few options there, 1 sell marine models 2 more codex updates are coming 3 reason to roll out a new edition. The only one that has some vaguely redeeming aspect to it is #2, which will bring us WH40K, super-lethality edition, with a new tagline 'In the grim darkness of turn 3, everything is dead.'

The real question is. Why doesn't GW want to sell tyranids too?


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 flandarz wrote:
There was two reasons I made that post.

1) even the "top" Ork players don't "win practically every game".

2) even the "top" Mrines players don't "win practically every game".

Whether you play "tournament" or not, unless you cheat, are supernaturally lucky, are only playing kids with their first army, or are only playing people who are purposefully running back while you run the latest and greatest net-list, the chances that you'll win "practically every game" are slim to none.

You're real bad about making mountains out of molehills, and it surprises me that you still get shocked when people call ya out on it.

Luck is about making the right choices. Winning is about bringing a superior list for the most part. Orks have a lot of units that are just silly. AP-4 and 5 all over the place. Psychic powers that go off practically automatically and teleport units anywhere on the table. 5++ invo aura that affects their whole army. Really hard to lose with that army man.

I guess I am pretty lucky too. Not sure why unlucky people would play an army like orks.

there are not a lot of AP-4 and 5 weapons for the orks. the only ap-5 is the Shokk attack gun. and the only ap-4 is the klaw on the gorka/morkanaught. The Stompa does also have a -5 and a -4 weapon but its basically the most useless model in the game that being the whole point of this thread. psychic powers may go off if you decide to put the wierd boy in the thick of things, but then they are almost assuredly getting perils of the warp every time they cast a power so do not last long. the 5++ if only units wholey within 9" of the kff so unless you are playign a very elite army like pure meganobz its not going to fit.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
5++ invo aura that affects their whole army.

Again, this is not accurate. KFF only affects units ENTIRELY within the bubble. This might protect a couple key units, if you're lucky.

With your 18 CP you start with you just spend 3 CP to make it a 36" diameter circle. Your whole army should fit. Come on guys - you play this game right?

 Xenomancers wrote:

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
5++ invo aura that affects their whole army.

Again, this is not accurate. KFF only affects units ENTIRELY within the bubble. This might protect a couple key units, if you're lucky.

With your 18 CP you start with you just spend 3 CP to make it a 36" diameter circle. Your whole army should fit. Come on guys - you play this game right?

It's for one turn and can only be used once per game... why would anyone do this instead of taking a second KFF and using those 3CP on something like Green Tide?

Smasha gun...and SAG...THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY ORKS. Do you see they have ap -4 and -5.

You get 9 smasha guns for 270 points. I don't even get a single Executioner for that cost. LOL. 3 SAG for 240. This is already more heavy firepower than my marine lists bring. Plus the platforms are more durable due to MSU and 5++ saves. It doesn't really matter what else you throw in here. You can DS Mega nobs even. Most options are good - the stompa is not. We get it.

 Xenomancers wrote:
With your 18 CP you start with you just spend 3 CP to make it a 36" diameter circle. Your whole army should fit. Come on guys - you play this game right?

Once per game, for one turn, only usable by the Big Mek KFF.

Also, you're deranged if you think a 5++ is going to save the entire army. If that were the case Daemons would have been dominating this entire edition.

Please just stop selling this utterly farcical narrative.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Smasha gun...and SAG...THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY ORKS. Do you see they have ap -4 and -5.

If you're that broken up about them, we could give Marines some sort of "Melt-it" gun that has AP-4. Let each squad take 2 of those, that'll fix things, right?

 Xenomancers wrote:
Smasha gun...and SAG...THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY ORKS. Do you see they have ap -4 and -5.

I love this thread, I actually run a Stompa once in awhile for fun even though it is a loss guarantee.

This comment though, this is what bothers me more than how awful so much of the Ork codex is. If D6 S2D6 AP -5 DD6 with the occasional D3 mortal wounds hitting on 5+ is so powerful to you then I have no idea what game you are playing. I mean, what unit do you want to run the math with on how effective that weapon is? If you really think that the potential 12 hits at S12 -5 doing a total of 72 wounds with 3 mortals wounds somehow makes this weapon an amazing pick then I imagine that you expect to win the lottery every single time.

Bharring wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Smasha gun...and SAG...THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY ORKS. Do you see they have ap -4 and -5.

If you're that broken up about them, we could give Marines some sort of "Melt-it" gun that has AP-4. Let each squad take 2 of those, that'll fix things, right?

6+ armor to a 5++ is insanity.

Once per game, for a single turn, you can get +9" on your "1 in 3 chance to ignore that Wound roll" aura, and it only costs you 3 CP?!! That's a deal if I ever saw one!

Yes. We have two (heavily used) units that have AP -4 and -5. That is certainly not "all over the place". That's "in two places".

At this point, you've played long enough that I can't think this is ignorance. Nor can I assume you're trolling, because it would have stopped being funny a long time ago. So, I hafta think that your first (and last) game against Orkz went so badly for you (likely due to a combination of bad luck on your part and good luck for your opponent) that you've been traumatized to the point where logic, facts, and even reality cannot dissuade you from your point of view. So, let me just say: "Show us on dis Grot w'ere da bad green Git 'urt yoo."

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Smasha gun...and SAG...THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY ORKS. Do you see they have ap -4 and -5.

If you're that broken up about them, we could give Marines some sort of "Melt-it" gun that has AP-4. Let each squad take 2 of those, that'll fix things, right?

6+ armor to a 5++ is insanity.

Invuls start to be an issue when they are at the 50% Point,because then they invalidate the high at weaponry that allready is rather overpriced.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Bharring wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Smasha gun...and SAG...THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY ORKS. Do you see they have ap -4 and -5.

If you're that broken up about them, we could give Marines some sort of "Melt-it" gun that has AP-4. Let each squad take 2 of those, that'll fix things, right?

6+ armor to a 5++ is insanity.

You think genestealers and bloodletters are broken?

That J. Jonah meme seems really appropriate, as I can imagine Xeno saying "Those Orkz are a menace!"

 flandarz wrote:
That J. Jonah meme seems really appropriate, as I can imagine Xeno saying "Those Orkz are a menace!"

You know as a csm player,whenever someone complains in 8th about invulnerables, especially the low ones like all daenonengines have, i Start grinning.

Because ca 2019 will be the next ca lowering daemonengines which were precisely overpriced due to overvalued invuls.

Not to say the kff bubble is bad, but protecting it ain't , else the r&h noctilith crown gunline would have taken over loooong ago.


No Like i said invuls start getting to be an issue when they reach 4++ .

Be xeno.

> Just use a supreme command detachment with 3x SSAGs and a Squiggoth!
> Just use 3 CP stratagem of your 18 CP for 1 turns worth of a 5++ saves
Uhhhh, 18 CP or Supreme Command, which one is it?

> 6+ going to a 5++ is insanity
Okay can we talk about marines getting a 2+ while in cover, or is this a shitpost?

> orks have lots of AP -5 or -4!!!!!
Uhhh

> Doesn't change the fact that orks are super strong
Tell me more about this Xeno.
I mean, it's not like there's a faction that has a better version of Dakka Dakka oh wait
What about marines being able to hit harder than orks in melee? Oh wait, gak that was just released too
Okay so at least our Power Klaw is better than - oh. Marines have that at 60% of the cost Orks do. Nice.

> Marines are an enigma right now.

Title wrote:
Ork Stompa is now OVER POWERED

Question wrote:
or is this a shitpost?

I think said posts are quite on-topic. Even more than was intended.

That's... fair. Maybe Xeno was just playing all of us.

 flandarz wrote:
That's... fair. Maybe Xeno was just playing all of us.

He played us like a damn fiddle!