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2020/04/04 09:51:28
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
I mean, The Mountain had three at least. And when minor characters got promoted to more prominent roles, it meant a whole lot of ‘wait, who are you again?’
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I mean, The Mountain had three at least. And when minor characters got promoted to more prominent roles, it meant a whole lot of ‘wait, who are you again?’
Petyrs accent is also highly variable!
Perhaps a homage to the novels which are full to bursting of (IMO) pointles, dull characters that the author can live through.
Through the first five seasons GOT did a brilliant job of gutting out so much crap that had bloated the novels
Of course they did really get Dorne wrong and the final two seasons but ''That is known, Khalisi"
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Still not sure we can entirely lay the blame at the show’s door. I’m increasingly confident JRRM doesn’t have an end game in mind, hence his eternal procrastinating.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Still not sure we can entirely lay the blame at the show’s door. I’m increasingly confident JRRM doesn’t have an end game in mind, hence his eternal procrastinating.
true and whilst not defending him or the chucklehead show runners at least he knows what not to do now, it'll be some other protracted boswellow, I'm hoping for aliens or time travel
also totally with Mr M about Dorne, it felt like the bit in other shows when the characters go on holiday somewhere delibrately different (although SoA goes to O'Ireland is still the best worst version)
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2020/04/04 21:17:58
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
creeping-deth87 wrote: To my surprise, the first movie that came to mind when I read the thread title was Captain Marvel. Now, i don't hate Brie Larson, and I certainly don't think she was the worst choice ever to play the character, but I also don't think she was the best either. She doesn't definitively nail the character for me in the way that Downey Jr., Chris Hemsworth, and Chris Evans have for their respective roles.
I enjoyed Captain Marvel, and I don't get all the complaining online about Larson. I'll admit, though, that I have no attachment or particular knowledge of the character in the comics, so my impression was based solely on the movie itself, rather than any prior expectations.
Other than the switch of actor for War Machine, I struggle to find fault with any of the casting for the Marvel movies. (ok, technically Ruffalo was an actor change as well, but I tend to view the Hulk movie as a separate entity to the rest of the Marvel series).
Get ready for them to do an actress change in Antman 3 as well. Evangeline Lily seems to have pissed off the entire world with her “screw Covid-19, I do what I want” attitude, and there is talk that she’s getting kicked from scripts left and right. A3 has her role seriously diminished because of her attitude, but if she puts up too much of a stink over it, they might just replace her and keep on going.
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2020/04/04 22:23:16
Subject: Re:Movies that would have been better with a different actor
she's not even a good enough actress; to hide the "just here for the payday" face, so no great loss, least Ms Larson can managed that most of the time, not sure if its mad skills acting or thinking of the even more money makes it easier
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2020/04/04 22:33:06
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Vulcan wrote: AotC. ANY pair of actor/actress who had some chemistry to replace Portman and Christensen. Literally anyone.
That to me wasn't at all the fault of the actors. It was a catastrophy of the script and direction. How can you not sound like a fething idiot with such script and direction.
True. When someone has written the defining moment of a relationship as 'accepting someone after they've confessed to slaughtering noncombatants and children and announced that they want to institute absolute tyranny (to someone who's a staunch republican with pacifist leanings),' that's just not salvageable by any actor. The rest of the 'romantic' arc is inexcusably insipid, but that's just horrifying.
Ummm, in all fairness to anakin, the tusken did kidnap, torture and murder his mother who died in his arms. That kinda makes going dalek on that village understandable. I would likely have done the same.
The tusken seem to be sorta like orcs or goblins in D&D, an evil race with no redeeming qualities who is simply an enemy to be defeated, driven off or wiped out.
He specifically mentions murdering children (not just the torturers and guards, which I could see a lot of people giving a pass on). Even if your D&D comparison is accurate, even D&D grew out of 'its OK to murder orc babies' alignment discussions 30 years ago.
That this scenes solidifies their romantic relationship is just gross.
""I…I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals."
This is when your romantic interest should run away screaming. Or call the space police. Or demand Kenobi gets Annie some serious therapy, because its really past obvious that the kid needs it, and a whole temple of psychic empaths should have some measure of a clue about it.
If it were part of some convoluted plot where the Emperor uses the gruesome death of his mother to solidify the grip of the Dark Side on Anakin, it would've had a place in the narrative. But no, this is just something Anakin does on his own, and for whatever reason this causes Padme to go from hesitant and non-committal to 'relationship, woo!'
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2020/04/05 01:28:54
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Vulcan wrote: AotC. ANY pair of actor/actress who had some chemistry to replace Portman and Christensen. Literally anyone.
That to me wasn't at all the fault of the actors. It was a catastrophy of the script and direction. How can you not sound like a fething idiot with such script and direction.
True. When someone has written the defining moment of a relationship as 'accepting someone after they've confessed to slaughtering noncombatants and children and announced that they want to institute absolute tyranny (to someone who's a staunch republican with pacifist leanings),' that's just not salvageable by any actor. The rest of the 'romantic' arc is inexcusably insipid, but that's just horrifying.
Ummm, in all fairness to anakin, the tusken did kidnap, torture and murder his mother who died in his arms. That kinda makes going dalek on that village understandable. I would likely have done the same.
The tusken seem to be sorta like orcs or goblins in D&D, an evil race with no redeeming qualities who is simply an enemy to be defeated, driven off or wiped out.
He specifically mentions murdering children (not just the torturers and guards, which I could see a lot of people giving a pass on). Even if your D&D comparison is accurate, even D&D grew out of 'its OK to murder orc babies' alignment discussions 30 years ago.
That this scenes solidifies their romantic relationship is just gross.
""I…I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals."
This is when your romantic interest should run away screaming. Or call the space police. Or demand Kenobi gets Annie some serious therapy, because its really past obvious that the kid needs it, and a whole temple of psychic empaths should have some measure of a clue about it.
If it were part of some convoluted plot where the Emperor uses the gruesome death of his mother to solidify the grip of the Dark Side on Anakin, it would've had a place in the narrative. But no, this is just something Anakin does on his own, and for whatever reason this causes Padme to go from hesitant and non-committal to 'relationship, woo!'
Fair enough.
Someone mark the calendar, you are officially seeing someone change their mind based on points raised in an internet discussion. A true modern miracle!
Those are very convincing points. It's hard to imagine any actor/actress combination that could make that relationship believable. I can only assume that, having only watched the movie once, I had convinced myself that it was the actors who had fallen short, and forgotten just how bad the script was. Mea culpa.
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2020/04/05 04:51:50
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
insaniak wrote:I wasn't particularly attached to Terrence Howard specifically, I just hate when characters change actors. You can get away with it when there's an age gap to explain the difference, but having someone just change into a completely different person next week is immersion breaking.
I'd agree for the most part, but occasionally (cough)Edward Norton(cough) the original actor is so godawful that they NEED replaced. And Howard met that requirement.
Vulcan wrote: AotC. ANY pair of actor/actress who had some chemistry to replace Portman and Christensen. Literally anyone.
That to me wasn't at all the fault of the actors. It was a catastrophy of the script and direction. How can you not sound like a fething idiot with such script and direction.
True. When someone has written the defining moment of a relationship as 'accepting someone after they've confessed to slaughtering noncombatants and children and announced that they want to institute absolute tyranny (to someone who's a staunch republican with pacifist leanings),' that's just not salvageable by any actor. The rest of the 'romantic' arc is inexcusably insipid, but that's just horrifying.
Ummm, in all fairness to anakin, the tusken did kidnap, torture and murder his mother who died in his arms. That kinda makes going dalek on that village understandable. I would likely have done the same.
The tusken seem to be sorta like orcs or goblins in D&D, an evil race with no redeeming qualities who is simply an enemy to be defeated, driven off or wiped out.
He specifically mentions murdering children (not just the torturers and guards, which I could see a lot of people giving a pass on). Even if your D&D comparison is accurate, even D&D grew out of 'its OK to murder orc babies' alignment discussions 30 years ago.
That this scenes solidifies their romantic relationship is just gross.
""I…I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals."
This is when your romantic interest should run away screaming. Or call the space police. Or demand Kenobi gets Annie some serious therapy, because its really past obvious that the kid needs it, and a whole temple of psychic empaths should have some measure of a clue about it.
If it were part of some convoluted plot where the Emperor uses the gruesome death of his mother to solidify the grip of the Dark Side on Anakin, it would've had a place in the narrative. But no, this is just something Anakin does on his own, and for whatever reason this causes Padme to go from hesitant and non-committal to 'relationship, woo!'
Fair enough.
Someone mark the calendar, you are officially seeing someone change their mind based on points raised in an internet discussion. A true modern miracle!
Those are very convincing points. It's hard to imagine any actor/actress combination that could make that relationship believable. I can only assume that, having only watched the movie once, I had convinced myself that it was the actors who had fallen short, and forgotten just how bad the script was. Mea culpa.
I kind of agree with your overall point, but I also consider that scene to be the best bit of acting Hayden Christensen is able to demonstrate in the films; to me he really captures someone who is angry and scared, scared mainly because he is angry and doesn’t know hoe to stop. There’s a real tortured confusion to his performance and even at the time it convinced me that he was getting a lot of stick for a script/plot/direction that is not his fault.
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2020/04/05 17:02:04
Subject: Re:Movies that would have been better with a different actor
SamusDrake wrote: "I say ol'chaps - I am Khan Noonian Singh and a bit of a rough customer. Fancy a pint of bitter down the pub? Shall I bring Archie, Gladis and Beryl?"
I would say Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan, in Star Trek into Darkness, despite a sterling performance.
2 pages into the thread before I saw this. . .was about to put this one forward myself. . . . As I was reading through your comment, I thought of a person who may possibly have done a better job at Khan in the reboot:
insaniak wrote:I wasn't particularly attached to Terrence Howard specifically, I just hate when characters change actors. You can get away with it when there's an age gap to explain the difference, but having someone just change into a completely different person next week is immersion breaking.
I'd agree for the most part, but occasionally (cough)Edward Norton(cough) the original actor is so godawful that they NEED replaced. And Howard met that requirement.
Lol. . . I happen to like a lot of Ed Norton's work. . . but aspects of that particular movie, well, I'm not sure if it was him as an actor, a shoddy script, or what. . . but you're right. He didn't fit. . . And Tim Roth as Abomination didn't really work for me either.
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2020/04/05 17:32:31
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Oh man, deffo have to agree on Cumberbatch and Khan. Benny C is an awesome actor, and his presence in that movie was great, but casting him as "Khan Noonien Sing", particularly given the performance of Ricardo Montalban in that role, was a grievous mistake, and it didn't work. They should have created an entirely different bad guy for that movie. Ben Kingsley would have been a fantastic option.
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2020/04/05 18:14:49
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
I'm not sure if it would have been better or not, but I would quite like to see the alternate-universe version of The Matrix where Will Smith did accept the role of Neo.
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2020/04/05 19:25:11
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Vaktathi wrote: Oh man, deffo have to agree on Cumberbatch and Khan. Benny C is an awesome actor, and his presence in that movie was great, but casting him as "Khan Noonien Sing", particularly given the performance of Ricardo Montalban in that role, was a grievous mistake, and it didn't work. They should have created an entirely different bad guy for that movie. Ben Kingsley would have been a fantastic option.
Cumberbatch would have been excellent as one of Khan's genetic supermen. He just wasn't a good Khan.
Anyway, I think Antonio Banderas would have been better in The Phantom of the Opera.
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2020/04/05 23:03:13
Subject: Re:Movies that would have been better with a different actor
2 pages into the thread before I saw this. . .was about to put this one forward myself. . . . As I was reading through your comment, I thought of a person who may possibly have done a better job at Khan in the reboot:
Ben Kingsley.
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Ben certainly has the heritage...not so sure about his physique though. Khan is supposed to be a genetically enhanced super human.
THAT said...
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2020/04/06 00:53:39
Subject: Re:Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Ben certainly has the heritage...not so sure about his physique though. Khan is supposed to be a genetically enhanced super human.
THAT said...
"He's a one-man-wreaking-crew!"
He has played older, former military types (house of sand and fog, as I recall), and one could easily use hand-wavium to explain why a diminutive ben kingsley looks as he does as Khan (ie, the freezing process took a lot out of him, adm marcus was depriving him of X, whatever the case may be), and while I think that Montalban had the physique (of the day) for genetic enhancement, I also think he played Khan as being a bit more cerebral (well, until WOK when he became unhinged) rather than relying solely on his physique
2020/04/06 06:56:40
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Vaktathi wrote: Oh man, deffo have to agree on Cumberbatch and Khan. Benny C is an awesome actor, and his presence in that movie was great, but casting him as "Khan Noonien Sing", particularly given the performance of Ricardo Montalban in that role, was a grievous mistake, and it didn't work. They should have created an entirely different bad guy for that movie. Ben Kingsley would have been a fantastic option.
The first batch of previews for Into Darkness had a bunch of us thinking that Benny C was going to be playing Gary Mitchell, and they should have stuck with that. Marcus weaponizing a suddenly telekinetic Starfleet officer, it would have still fit what the film was aiming for.
I kind of agree with your overall point, but I also consider that scene to be the best bit of acting Hayden Christensen is able to demonstrate in the films; to me he really captures someone who is angry and scared, scared mainly because he is angry and doesn’t know hoe to stop. There’s a real tortured confusion to his performance and even at the time it convinced me that he was getting a lot of stick for a script/plot/direction that is not his fault.
Yeah that particular scene is one of my favorite Anakin scenes for me. What didn't work for me how nonchalant padme was about it.
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2020/04/06 12:00:32
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Vaktathi wrote: Oh man, deffo have to agree on Cumberbatch and Khan. Benny C is an awesome actor, and his presence in that movie was great, but casting him as "Khan Noonien Sing", particularly given the performance of Ricardo Montalban in that role, was a grievous mistake, and it didn't work. They should have created an entirely different bad guy for that movie. Ben Kingsley would have been a fantastic option.
The first batch of previews for Into Darkness had a bunch of us thinking that Benny C was going to be playing Gary Mitchell, and they should have stuck with that. Marcus weaponizing a suddenly telekinetic Starfleet officer, it would have still fit what the film was aiming for.
Now that would have been a good choice. For what its worth, there is a cast-backed fan film where Gary and "Charle X" have at each other, and gotta say it was pretty good. Starred the actual actors from the 60s.
He has played older, former military types (house of sand and fog, as I recall), and one could easily use hand-wavium to explain why a diminutive ben kingsley looks as he does as Khan (ie, the freezing process took a lot out of him, adm marcus was depriving him of X, whatever the case may be), and while I think that Montalban had the physique (of the day) for genetic enhancement, I also think he played Khan as being a bit more cerebral (well, until WOK when he became unhinged) rather than relying solely on his physique
"depriving him of X" would actually be a good reason as to why Marcus would have a leash on Khan. For me it would be a bit of a stretch, but some people appreciate that extra twist, I suppose. It would have been interesting to see how it would have played out.
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2020/04/06 12:56:05
Subject: Re:Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher was a crime. The character is supposed to be a 6'5" tall giant, and you cast a scrawny 5'7" Tom Cruise just because of his name. I just couldn't take the scene with him fighting 4 guys at once seriously at all.
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2020/04/06 13:20:05
Subject: Re:Movies that would have been better with a different actor
DrGiggles wrote: Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher was a crime. The character is supposed to be a 6'5" tall giant, and you cast a scrawny 5'7" Tom Cruise just because of his name. I just couldn't take the scene with him fighting 4 guys at once seriously at all.
oh aye the film clearly needed some of that hobbity forced perspective or the chap that did the wedding photos
normally i'm not to fussed about things like that it but wee Tommy C doesn't even have a scary screen presence to stretch over the gap
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2020/04/06 17:03:29
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
Vaktathi wrote: Oh man, deffo have to agree on Cumberbatch and Khan. Benny C is an awesome actor, and his presence in that movie was great, but casting him as "Khan Noonien Sing", particularly given the performance of Ricardo Montalban in that role, was a grievous mistake, and it didn't work. They should have created an entirely different bad guy for that movie. Ben Kingsley would have been a fantastic option.
The first batch of previews for Into Darkness had a bunch of us thinking that Benny C was going to be playing Gary Mitchell, and they should have stuck with that. Marcus weaponizing a suddenly telekinetic Starfleet officer, it would have still fit what the film was aiming for.
That would have been *perfect*!
I'm really sad now they didn't go with that.
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2020/04/07 07:24:31
Subject: Re:Movies that would have been better with a different actor
DrGiggles wrote: Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher was a crime. The character is supposed to be a 6'5" tall giant, and you cast a scrawny 5'7" Tom Cruise just because of his name. I just couldn't take the scene with him fighting 4 guys at once seriously at all.
oh aye the film clearly needed some of that hobbity forced perspective or the chap that did the wedding photos
normally i'm not to fussed about things like that it but wee Tommy C doesn't even have a scary screen presence to stretch over the gap
I mean, the wee tommy C type actor playing "infamous hitman/assassin type who is amazing at all the things including gunz and karate chops and wimmenz" doesn't bother me so much. One does not need size to be an incredible fighter, etc. . . . But i do agree that him being an already established character, who was established at a certain height doesn't really work EDIT: by this I mean those characters who, in movie terms are legends within the film. . . Ie, an Agent 47 from Hitman, within that movie franchise, seems like everyone with a name had heard whispers about this bloke, even if they didn't actually know what he looked like. . . or, the assassins creed games where blending in is a huge part of the game.
It would be like casting Kevin Hart to play as Shaquille O'Neal in Shaq's biopic movie.
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2020/04/07 16:54:11
Subject: Re:Movies that would have been better with a different actor
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2020/04/07 23:30:07
Subject: Movies that would have been better with a different actor
BrianDavion wrote:that would have required the average film going audiance to know who Gary Mitchel WAS.
Yeah, because they couldn't explain it in the movie. Hell, nobody knew who Mitchell was in the episode until you were told, and that was only 45 minutes of air time to explain everything. That had to be the worst non-reason anyone has come up with on this site.
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