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I dunno the Ork terrain might appeal to a number of people too

I think the months long wait phrases are to cover logistical challenges in getting stuff around the world. If you live in the uk, I can be pretty sure it won't months, but if you're up in the highlands of Vietnam it might take that long go percolate though the logistical systems and get to your door, so they state the worse case up front so we're pre warned, and hopefully its it that long

xerxeskingofking wrote:
I think the months long wait phrases are to cover logistical challenges in getting stuff around the world. If you live in the uk, I can be pretty sure it won't months, but if you're up in the highlands of Vietnam it might take that long go percolate though the logistical systems and get to your door, so they state the worse case up front so we're pre warned, and hopefully its it that long

It's also due to production issues, if you'll rememebr when Indomatus was re-released in made to order it took GW a bit of time to produce the boxes. I imagine GW's already gearing up to produce more of kill team but at the same time people whose order is moved to MTO are almost assuredly going to have to wait

As positive a change as can be expected from GW. Took them long enough to do something of the sort

Well, they've chosen to focus their business model on products that they know people won't actually want months from now. That's the main reason this is a problem in the first place. They can't just make enough of them, because then some people might actually buy it a few months from now. That doesn't work with their business model, because they need you to be buying the next new thing then. Which might just be this terrain or the DKoK models in their own separate boxes.

Glad to hear they're going to make Kill Team available to everyone who wants it. I admit I was expecting another Cursed City snafu given how they tried to cover their tracks after that event rather than admit they screwed up.

Yeah this is a good move by GW, I clap for them for this. They should have been doing this from the start when this fomo crap was pooping all over the fans. Screw the dirty scalpers and I hope they sit on their scalped boxes they buy till they rot.

If only certain electronics could do something like that, we might see these scalping turds curtailed back to high end sneakers and other things I couldn't care less about.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Yeah this is a good move by GW, I clap for them for this. They should have been doing this from the start when this fomo crap was pooping all over the fans. Screw the dirty scalpers and I hope they sit on their scalped boxes they buy till they rot.

If only certain electronics could do something like that, we might see these scalping turds curtailed back to high end sneakers and other things I couldn't care less about.

yeah I was hoping when they announced indomatus was gonna be made to order it pushed a few idiot scalpers into bankrupcy. Generally I'd never wish a bad thing on another human being but I WILL wish for Karma to bite and bite hard

 Marshal Loss wrote:
As positive a change as can be expected from GW. Took them long enough to do something of the sort

Better late than never. Hopefully it proves successful enough to become a standard feature.

Aside from rulebooks that are required for a tournament within weeks of release, I see no reason to "need" a product immediately. Won't lose a night's sleep over waiting a few more months for something.

Plus, anything that harms scalpers is always welcome.

And odds are the months waiting won't be usual. More of GW safeguarding themselves to ensure there won't be complains about GW failing to uphold to promise if demand IS so big it literaly will take months.

If they had said "within month" and then it takes 2 months it will cause bigger uproar(negative) than if they say "even if it takes months" and then they deliver within month.

I guess this might also put off scalpers, as they’ve no guarantee their order will be fulfilled from stock.

Certainly, if someone is ordering large numbers and I was GW, I’d probably hoof them to the back of the queue. Their 20 copies are better served going to 20 individuals, no?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I guess this might also put off scalpers, as they’ve no guarantee their order will be fulfilled from stock.

Certainly, if someone is ordering large numbers and I was GW, I’d probably hoof them to the back of the queue. Their 20 copies are better served going to 20 individuals, no?

Why? GW gets the money eitherway. And makes twice the money if all the regular copies get scalped and regular people have to have them made-to-order afterwards.

That….that makes no sense? Go and read it back, as I think you might’ve mistyped.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I guess this might also put off scalpers, as they’ve no guarantee their order will be fulfilled from stock.

Certainly, if someone is ordering large numbers and I was GW, I’d probably hoof them to the back of the queue. Their 20 copies are better served going to 20 individuals, no?

Hopefully yes but unfortunately the problem with scalpers is that people do buy from them no matter how ridiculous the prices are.

Like I said this will only extend the problem since say if you cant preorder the product because, life, and if product is not on the shelves then scalpers will be there with something ready for you to buy.

Everyone that manages to preorder cool beans how about MR Jon Smith that got into the hobby a couple months later and sees people playing KT and wants to do that? How about Lil Tim that sees his friends playing KT and wants that box for Christmas?

Stores and online store needs to be stocked for that and for me that would be the normal solution to the freaking Scalpers.

Good news, let's hope this initiative works out - I'll remain cautiously optimistic. Never been a big fan of limited edition "exclusive" stuff anyway, it's not a very consumer friendly approach and it inevitably leads to abuse by scalpers and middle men.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I guess this might also put off scalpers, as they’ve no guarantee their order will be fulfilled from stock.

Certainly, if someone is ordering large numbers and I was GW, I’d probably hoof them to the back of the queue. Their 20 copies are better served going to 20 individuals, no?

Hopefully yes but unfortunately the problem with scalpers is that people do buy from them no matter how ridiculous the prices are.

Like I said this will only extend the problem since say if you cant preorder the product because, life, and if product is not on the shelves then scalpers will be there with something ready for you to buy.

Everyone that manages to preorder cool beans how about MR Jon Smith that got into the hobby a couple months later and sees people playing KT and wants to do that? How about Lil Tim that sees his friends playing KT and wants that box for Christmas?

Stores and online store needs to be stocked for that and for me that would be the normal solution to the freaking Scalpers.

But is there's sufficient demand later for scalpers to be worth it...

GW sells out majority of sprues of kit within months. After that it's trickle sales.

Lil Tim wanting christmast old box long out of sale are in minority. It's trickle of trickle. Are scalpers sitting with storage sitting on spaces for couple box a year rate sell? Storing something isn't free for scalpers either.

Well according to GW numbers seems to suggest the demand keeps on growing?

This might even only work whilst the numbers are currently growing - ergo that the made-to-order amounts are large enough to make it economically viable to make further orders from overseas. I'm guessing they'll have to play it close so that if the numbers start coming down (ergo GW estimates demand better and demand might lower from artificial inflated values that they are now) they can shut down the scheme if the numbers of made-to-order dip below certain thresholds.

With the safety net that, long term, they will likely profit more from the direct sales increases offered in the now; giving them a cushion of a few orders under-size in the future without losing out long term.



So this might well become a scheme that vanishes in the future. Then again these made to order sound like they are coming with regular shipments anyway (hence the few months wait time) so it might well hardly impact them at all; its just a different take on how to market and sell their products.

This is a good move in my opinion. I'd already decided not to bother with Kill team despite wanting it, as I can't be faffed with all the ordering palaver. This has changed my mind.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 catbarf wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So, they KNOW about Scalper bots, but don't implement anything to prevent them?

You can't scalp a product that anyone can go order at MSRP.

If a few people get it on launch, and most have to wait several months for it, then you can.

people are a lot less willing to spend absurd amounts of money on an item when they can get it for less with some patience

Really? Because the situation with PS5s and graphics cards says otherwise.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 catbarf wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So, they KNOW about Scalper bots, but don't implement anything to prevent them?

You can't scalp a product that anyone can go order at MSRP.

If a few people get it on launch, and most have to wait several months for it, then you can.

people are a lot less willing to spend absurd amounts of money on an item when they can get it for less with some patience

Really? Because the situation with PS5s and graphics cards says otherwise.

True, but at the same time those products are somewhat limited shelf life (at some stage they become "old"). They are also enabler products - you can't play any ps5 games until you've got the ps5 - sort of similar for the graphics card.
Killteam, whilst technically essential to play with those armies, doesn't stop you buying and playing with other models/armies as you wait. So you can spend less on getting them and more on getting something else - since the most active GW fans are already part of the wargaming ecosystem and so already have more than enough things to spend the rest of their money on to cover them.

The number of people hwo only want killteam and who will only play killteam with those two (or one half) forces from the set is much much smaller.

BrianDavion wrote:
I dunno the Ork terrain might appeal to a number of people too

For me the terrain is the main reason to buy the box. Sure, kommandoz are cool models and having kill team flying around as board game is nice, but I don't really need any of the stuff on the day it's released.

To me this solution is absolutely fine, I'm guaranteed to get my box and that's all I wanted.

Good.

I think it's a good promise. But I'd prefer if they did a separate M2O run.

It seems a little dishonest and scummy to be selling people a conventional pre-order then "surprise! you were too slow, now you gotta wait months!".

Also, it's only for that first weekend. When the preorder is two whole weeks, again it seems pretty scummy trying to rush people to buy quick for FOMO.

I'm guessing this is just a first test of the concept. Depending on the response, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole preorder period will be covered for future products.

It's a good promise but it also works in GW's favour as it allows them to be more conservative with the initial print run.

Very glad to see this. Though, I wish they could just announce things more than 2 weeks in advance EVER. I'm guessing it's too hard to do that accurately. Still shocked they don't go the way of the Gamestop preorder, months and months in advance.

axotl wrote:
Very glad to see this. Though, I wish they could just announce things more than 2 weeks in advance EVER. I'm guessing it's too hard to do that accurately. Still shocked they don't go the way of the Gamestop preorder, months and months in advance.

They could easily do it.

They don't because they don't want people to withhold buying one release with the intention of buying the next one they know they want. That's why they're always vague about stuff.

 kirotheavenger wrote:

axotl wrote:
Very glad to see this. Though, I wish they could just announce things more than 2 weeks in advance EVER. I'm guessing it's too hard to do that accurately. Still shocked they don't go the way of the Gamestop preorder, months and months in advance.

They could easily do it.

They don't because they don't want people to withhold buying one release with the intention of buying the next one they know they want. That's why they're always vague about stuff.

This. They used to announce products months in advance.

Chikout wrote:
It's a good promise but it also works in GW's favour as it allows them to be more conservative with the initial print run.

Sort of. to get the right pricing they still need a good minimum order.

I suspect this is possible with boxes they have more control of ordering components with.


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 kirotheavenger wrote:

axotl wrote:
Very glad to see this. Though, I wish they could just announce things more than 2 weeks in advance EVER. I'm guessing it's too hard to do that accurately. Still shocked they don't go the way of the Gamestop preorder, months and months in advance.

They could easily do it.

They don't because they don't want people to withhold buying one release with the intention of buying the next one they know they want. That's why they're always vague about stuff.

They couldn't easily do it. Well not accurately. Their logistics are a mess currently. They would have to sort out the warehouse move and factory expansion to really be able to do that (then you have the issue of would they for the reason you post).