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 Kanluwen wrote:
Then don't buy it.

Stop buying GW products if they make you so unhappy. This isn't a complex equation.

And do the rest of us browsing these threads a huge favor and stop posting in them.


Ah yes, defending poor business practices as usual. I remember you really being a big stan for EA and their terrible releases like Anthem too for whatever reason, so I'm not surprised you're trying to pull the same schtick here. I don't see how constructive criticism of a bad way of releasing rules for warhammer isn't relevant to the topic. Plus you're not the OP or a mod either, so I don't see where you come off trying to tell others what to do.
   
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Germany

How dare anyone express a negative opinion.

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Its not a poor business practice. It seems to be pretty successful. The average non-legacy complainer on dakka 40k fan seems to love this stuff.
So it is at this point an individual decision to leave the hobby or just don't participate in the things you don't like because GW keeps doing things and people keep buying it.

I don't buy half this crap but complaining to the void isn't changing anything.

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Vigo. Spain.

Why does GW change direction every year. Like, don't they have a 5-year plan or something? Is not like I'm agaisnt this ideas but it looks like each 1-2 years they are completely changing how they make things. How many FAQs they do, how they do balance patches, the format of chapter approved, etc...

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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 Grimskul wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Then don't buy it.

Stop buying GW products if they make you so unhappy. This isn't a complex equation.

And do the rest of us browsing these threads a huge favor and stop posting in them.


Ah yes, defending poor business practices as usual. I remember you really being a big stan for EA and their terrible releases like Anthem too for whatever reason, so I'm not surprised you're trying to pull the same schtick here. I don't see how constructive criticism of a bad way of releasing rules for warhammer isn't relevant to the topic. Plus you're not the OP or a mod either, so I don't see where you come off trying to tell others what to do.


TIL that asking people not to buy products they're not happy with means you are "defending poor business practices". Genuinely impressive mental gymnastics there.

As the OP:
Stop buying GW products if they make you so unhappy. This isn't a complex equation.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Its not a poor business practice. It seems to be pretty successful. The average non-legacy complainer on dakka 40k fan seems to love this stuff.
So it is at this point an individual decision to leave the hobby or just don't participate in the things you don't like because GW keeps doing things and people keep buying it.

I don't buy half this crap but complaining to the void isn't changing anything.


Amen. I don't buy many rulebooks like Warzone supplements because I don't play 40k often enough these days to get my money's worth. However clearly some people do get use out of these books or there wouldn't be a market for them. And the profit for those items ends up supporting other more niche products that I might enjoy, like specialist games.

   
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I don't really buy GW products partially because of garbage like this.

Am I allowed to criticise them?
   
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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Am I allowed to criticise them?
No one is, so it seems.

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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I don't really buy GW products partially because of garbage like this.

Am I allowed to criticise them?


Only if you buy

   
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 Galas wrote:
Why does GW change direction every year. Like, don't they have a 5-year plan or something? Is not like I'm agaisnt this ideas but it looks like each 1-2 years they are completely changing how they make things. How many FAQs they do, how they do balance patches, the format of chapter approved, etc...


They're in uncharted territory in a lot of ways atm so whilst I'm sure they do have a plan, they need to be somewhat agile in approach to keep up with world and market changes.
   
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I see this as trying to align the rules, story, and model releases.

They were already regularly releasing boxed sets with two factions. Rules were also updated in faqs and CA.

Now they bring it together and at a fast pace.

I think the pace may be too quick. I would rather a well thought out balanced game than one that is frantically updated.
   
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 Grimskul wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Then don't buy it.

Stop buying GW products if they make you so unhappy. This isn't a complex equation.

And do the rest of us browsing these threads a huge favor and stop posting in them.


Ah yes, defending poor business practices as usual. I remember you really being a big stan for EA and their terrible releases like Anthem too for whatever reason, so I'm not surprised you're trying to pull the same schtick here. I don't see how constructive criticism of a bad way of releasing rules for warhammer isn't relevant to the topic. Plus you're not the OP or a mod either, so I don't see where you come off trying to tell others what to do.


Whether you like the idea or not, there's merit to both sides of the argument. There's also a lot of very valid criticism to be had of GW and their business practices.

But calling any criticism DAKKA puts out 'constructive' is ridiculous. Arbitrator and HBMC spent almost a whole page of this thread making 'they're going to buy it anyway' jokes and then another half page explaining the jokes because they weren't very well constructed.

If that's 'constructive' criticism, I'd hate to hear what 'inane nonsense' sounds like.

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Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.

WTF? I didn't make any "they're going to buy it anyway" jokes. And I sure as feth didn't need to explain anything.

I can't even begin see how you'd get that from what I posted...

ERJAK wrote:
... I'd hate to hear what 'inane nonsense' sounds like.
"Stop buying GW products if they make you so unhappy." is a fairly good example.



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I think GW is losing itself in this frantic pacing. I mean if you are a game designer playing various times a week or attending every tournament ever you might want to try out new rules every 6 months, however for normal people having an army ready to play takes at least 6 months, and squeezing in more than a few games a year can be complicated, specially during a pandemic.

Honestly I have given up trying to have a playable army since late 8th, now I just buy the models I like, give them whatever options I like, not following detachment limits (but keeping in mind old-school force org. charts) etc, and it's the most fun I've had since re-starting the hobby. I'm having quite some fun returning to homebrewed versions of 5th and 8th ed too! I was kinda hoping GW slowed their pacing down (at least rule-wise), not sped it up.
   
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I'm confused is this an announcement from Games Workshop or Electronic Arts.

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An annual balance patch that you pay for is bad enough, 2 a year is exploitation. And the constantly shifting target that is 40k rules just makes it a nightmare to play unless it's the *only* game you play - which I guess is the intention but that doesn't make me like it
   
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 fox-light713 wrote:
I'm confused is this an announcement from Games Workshop or Electronic Arts.

This is the standard GW "startin the end of Edition" cycle, making people that still play paying as much as possible before they drop out with 10th anyway and start again with fresh costumers not used to old prices, rules or know what GW is going to do with 11th and 12th

and of course this works and make money, simply because changing your costumers every 2 Editions is an important part to get high sales, as those that stay for 3 won't buy as much as someone who starts fresh (and making all those leave who know what was there in the past helps to keep the new people exited and pay happily the new prices)

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ERJAK wrote:
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 Grimskul wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Then don't buy it.

Stop buying GW products if they make you so unhappy. This isn't a complex equation.

And do the rest of us browsing these threads a huge favor and stop posting in them.


Ah yes, defending poor business practices as usual. I remember you really being a big stan for EA and their terrible releases like Anthem too for whatever reason, so I'm not surprised you're trying to pull the same schtick here. I don't see how constructive criticism of a bad way of releasing rules for warhammer isn't relevant to the topic. Plus you're not the OP or a mod either, so I don't see where you come off trying to tell others what to do.


Whether you like the idea or not, there's merit to both sides of the argument. There's also a lot of very valid criticism to be had of GW and their business practices.

But calling any criticism DAKKA puts out 'constructive' is ridiculous. Arbitrator and HBMC spent almost a whole page of this thread making 'they're going to buy it anyway' jokes and then another half page explaining the jokes because they weren't very well constructed.

If that's 'constructive' criticism, I'd hate to hear what 'inane nonsense' sounds like.


If those 2 had some influence in gw the CSM units that need to be updated to 2 wounds probably would have been done months ago through an errata or maybe even it would have already been done in the last codex release. All they have to do is list off the unit listing and be like for the folowing units replace 1 wound with 2 wounds. Or ya know a digital codex is so hard to edit, all you got to do is go to the file and change the 1 to a 2 and then upload it to the app files and probably be done in an afternoon worth of work.

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Well, I guess I'll just continue to build my lists with battlescribe and let it surprise me how many points or PL they are in the end. Their seasons are definitely too fast for how I'm gaming nowadays (since 40K is only 1 game of about 5 I play). In their survey I did vote for quarterly points updates though, I guess it's a case of "be careful what you wish for" - as usual with GW
   
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It would be nice if GW went to fundamentally free online points and rules. I suspect however they make a fair chunk of change from books like this - and will be exploring how deep that market is.

Personally I think the medium of books is dumb as against a season pass (for all the mockery of the concept it clearly works). These rules should be available in their subscription app.
   
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Which then locks out people who don't like using apps from playing the game.
I don't have a horse in the race of balance patches or whatever else but GW switching to a digital-only ruleset would be a serious misstep.

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 Gert wrote:
Which then locks out people who don't like using apps from playing the game.
I don't have a horse in the race of balance patches or whatever else but GW switching to a digital-only ruleset would be a serious misstep.


Well they could sell paper copies as well - but paper will always cost money.
   
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Tyel wrote:
 Gert wrote:
Which then locks out people who don't like using apps from playing the game.
I don't have a horse in the race of balance patches or whatever else but GW switching to a digital-only ruleset would be a serious misstep.


Well they could sell paper copies as well - but paper will always cost money.

Serious question:

Do you think the infrastructure setup to do a digital-only rules set is free?
   
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Tyel wrote:
Well they could sell paper copies as well - but paper will always cost money.

So does producing and maintaining an app, in fact, I would wager that app development and maintenance would cost GW more than just printing books.
   
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Austria

who is talking about the App?

he said "free digital rules" and not "everyone needs to get the 40k App to play"

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Color me spoiled, I now get free books from GW more often than ever.

Thanks GW!
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:

Serious question:

Do you think the infrastructure setup to do a digital-only rules set is free?


I wouldn't say free - but the cost of putting some PDFs on your website that people can download is very low. Far lower than printing and then shipping books for shops all over the globe.
   
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Birmingham, UK

I'm unsure where the message that they're going to stop putting points changes into the Codex errata is, though I've only really skimmed. Any help?
   
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Catulle wrote:
I'm unsure where the message that they're going to stop putting points changes into the Codex errata is, though I've only really skimmed. Any help?


The first season introduces a new Grand Tournament Mission pack, which provides the framework for the next six months of competitive play. There will be new missions, new secondary objectives, and updated points costs for the armies in Warhammer 40,000.

They've got the Munitorium points values book hiding behind the GT missions pack as well.

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Voss wrote:
Catulle wrote:
I'm unsure where the message that they're going to stop putting points changes into the Codex errata is, though I've only really skimmed. Any help?


The first season introduces a new Grand Tournament Mission pack, which provides the framework for the next six months of competitive play. There will be new missions, new secondary objectives, and updated points costs for the armies in Warhammer 40,000.

They've got the Munitorium points values book hiding behind the GT missions pack as well.


That hasn't stopped the errata remaining updated before, has it? (Genuine question, my history is chiefly BattleScribe and a print of the current errata inside my hardcopy)

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 Galas wrote:
Why does GW change direction every year. Like, don't they have a 5-year plan or something? Is not like I'm agaisnt this ideas but it looks like each 1-2 years they are completely changing how they make things. How many FAQs they do, how they do balance patches, the format of chapter approved, etc...


They're just getting more open and consistent. They've been doing similar things, but with less structure to it. Now we sort of know what to expect.

   
 
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