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Asherian Command wrote:Can someone show me a Storm Raven using the Valkrie or the Vulture kits? And give me a tutorial. Because i need Storm Ravens for my Chapter.

take a look at the beginning of the thread and you'll find a few pics posted of conversions that look better. search ebay for stormravens and pretty much every one you'll find is a valkyrie kitbash. i've only ever seen two that didn't involve valkyrie parts as the primary basis (one is sgt. diablo's here on dakka). it's really not difficult if you use google and/or dakka's search function.

warboss wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Can someone show me a Storm Raven using the Valkrie or the Vulture kits? And give me a tutorial. Because i need Storm Ravens for my Chapter.

take a look at the beginning of the thread and you'll find a few pics posted of conversions that look better. search ebay for stormravens and pretty much every one you'll find is a valkyrie kitbash. i've only ever seen two that didn't involve valkyrie parts as the primary basis (one is sgt. diablo's here on dakka). it's really not difficult if you use google and/or dakka's search function.

I was asking for a tutorial.

http://www.mywargame.com/2010/04/29/crux-pattern-storm-raven-tutorial/

cute-hydra wrote:
IT's reallllllllllllllllllllllly ugly. Lacks any elegance.

Unlike every other Space Marine vehicle, which has elegance and grace in spades.

Spades I say.

Sidstyler wrote:

cute-hydra wrote:
IT's reallllllllllllllllllllllly ugly. Lacks any elegance.

Unlike every other Space Marine vehicle, which has elegance and grace in spades.

Spades I say.

And because everyone knows...

In the grim darkness of the far future, aerodynamics matters

Crux has tutorials for two different versions posted in our P&M Tutorials forum:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/293431.page#1589456

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/286057.page

There are a ton more conversions, including WIP blogs, in our P&M blogs forum & general P&M forum.

If it was real then the wings would definetly fall off. It just doesnt look realistic. i HAVE TO KITBASH

Am I missing the point here.....the 40K universe is not real?!?! Who said anything needed to be realistic!

The Decapitator wrote:Am I missing the point here.....the 40K universe is not real?!?! Who said anything needed to be realistic!

This has been discussed to death many times before. Yes, you're missing the point. Yes, consider reading the rest of the thread.

The model is both unrealistic and unbelievable. For 40k, we suspend our disbelief because of both the "rule of cool" and things seem acceptably believable. The new Stormraven is both ugly and unbelievable.

I like it, reminds me of red dwarf. I'm gonna paint me green one.

Absolutionis wrote:The model is both unrealistic and unbelievable. For 40k, we suspend our disbelief because of both the "rule of cool" and things seem acceptably believable. The new Stormraven is uncool.

Fixed for you brother.

Bonegrinder wrote:I like it, reminds me of red dwarf. I'm gonna paint me green one.

Or put some tracks on it and paint it blue. either way it's a good plan.

this stormraven is a fail compared to other conversions than this ugly thing!! i am dissapinted but in thetop left corner there is a dread that looks like a furiosos culd it be plastic??

HeRozZ x wrote:this stormraven is a fail compared to other conversions than this ugly thing!! i am dissapinted but in thetop left corner there is a dread that looks like a furiosos culd it be plastic??

That's the general consensus at the moment, HeRozZ.

Absolutionis wrote:

The Decapitator wrote:Am I missing the point here.....the 40K universe is not real?!?! Who said anything needed to be realistic!

This has been discussed to death many times before. Yes, you're missing the point. Yes, consider reading the rest of the thread.

The model is both unrealistic and unbelievable. For 40k, we suspend our disbelief because of both the "rule of cool" and things seem acceptably believable. The new Stormraven is both ugly and unbelievable.

I'm sorry but that's bullcrap, you may suspend your disbelief because of the 'rule of cool', but I suspend my belief because it's FICTION. Something doesn't have to be cool in fiction for me to believe that it will work. So long as the authour of said fiction has said it will work, then it will. There is no arguement to this.

Now it's one thing having an opinion that something isn't to your taste, that's fine. But to use parameters from the REAL world and apply them to a FICTIONAL world is ridiculous. So to say something is 'unrealistic and unbelievable' just because you don't like the look of it is like 2 + 2 = 1000.

If you don't like something, fine! Just say that, and don't bother getting into how it just 'wouldn't work' etc, because as much as you might like it to be, it isn't real. Whether it's cool or not really has no bearing on how it would work in a fictional universe.

You know... just throwing that out there.

Damn I really wish I had the money now to do that really really cool conversion... BUT ONE THING THAT I HAVE FOUND IS THIS!
Storm Ravens are awesome
But not the model for it.
GW Get me that Damn Conversion Beamer! ALREADY I WANTS IT!

I want to know why so many SM players love the thunderhawk (which is by far the UGLIEST flyer/SM vehicle I've seen so far, moreso than the storm raven, and probably even more absurd from a technical/engineering standpoint), but think the storm raven is too "ugly", or reject it because it couldn't actually fly.

The thunderhawk is "believable", we all apparently think that thing could actually fly and looks "awesome" (we must because every other storm raven conversion was based on the thunderhawk design)...but the storm raven is unacceptable?

I don't think it's that bad. I might buy two of them and build a Flesh Tearers army around them just to spite you guys actually.

Well, after I get a good look at the back of it.

Dysartes wrote:

HeRozZ x wrote:this stormraven is a fail compared to other conversions than this ugly thing!! i am dissapinted but in thetop left corner there is a dread that looks like a furiosos culd it be plastic??

That's the general consensus at the moment, HeRozZ.

Speak for yourself. I like it, and so do many others.

Well according to the polls on here and other forums, most people are not fond of it or ambivalent, so he isn't wrong on his general consensus statement. Many people like it too, and good on em! But there was no need to be rude about his comment, that was a bit pointless no?

If I remember right, there have been a couple of people so far who pretty much came out and said people who did like the model had no taste, so...I disagree about him being "rude".

Oh, and let's not forget my favorite stupid comment of this entire thread: "Only WAAC players will buy this model."

Obviously not the exact quote but that's pretty much what he said. I don't feel like quoting him again and starting up gak that ended on page...what, 11? But if you're interested go back and look for my post and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Sidstyler wrote:I want to know why so many SM players love the thunderhawk (which is by far the UGLIEST flyer/SM vehicle I've seen so far, moreso than the storm raven, and probably even more absurd from a technical/engineering standpoint), but think the storm raven is too "ugly", or reject it because it couldn't actually fly.

I'd actually argue that the Vindicator is the ugliest SM model. Love the rules, but the model could use a little work. As for the Storm Raven, I'm a Space Marine player, and I like it.

But then, as always...

Monster Rain wrote:

I'd actually argue that the Vindicator is the ugliest SM model. Love the rules, but the model could use a little work. As for the Storm Raven, I'm a Space Marine player, and I like it.

Ha! It just goes to show that we all have our preferences. The vindicator is probably my favorite SM vehicle as far as looks go.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

You know... just throwing that out there.

That would have been fine except they took a concept based on that and added all these other things to it, without making corrections in the balance and proportions. They took something like your image shoved the engines to the rear and enlarged the crew section... your helicopter has balance, the storm raven is a skewed as this:

Not scientific by anyy means but the Warseer poll had it 47- for 53 against. Hardly 'most'... adn the poll here was pretty badly worded. We;ve also been told by people who have seen the model that the pic posted was not flattering at all. Soooooo..... We shall see when its released. I do like what I've seen, and think the layout follows its form and function very well in a universe where counter grave tech is moderaly commonplace.

Monster Rain wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:I want to know why so many SM players love the thunderhawk (which is by far the UGLIEST flyer/SM vehicle I've seen so far, moreso than the storm raven, and probably even more absurd from a technical/engineering standpoint), but think the storm raven is too "ugly", or reject it because it couldn't actually fly.

I'd actually argue that the Vindicator is the ugliest SM model. Love the rules, but the model could use a little work. As for the Storm Raven, I'm a Space Marine player, and I like it.

But then, as always...

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I would like to make a motion that any further use of Justin Beiber result in no less than 10 lashings.

Back on topic. I am reserving all judgment until I have seen the model built in person (can't wait for that GW black box to come into our FLGS). If it looks even semi-decent and WD puts out data sheets so I can use them with either C:SW or C:SM then I will be buying at least 2.


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wolfshadow wrote:Not scientific by anyy means but the Warseer poll had it 47- for 53 against. Hardly 'most'... adn the poll here was pretty badly worded. We;ve also been told by people who have seen the model that the pic posted was not flattering at all. Soooooo..... We shall see when its released. I do like what I've seen, and think the layout follows its form and function very well in a universe where counter grave tech is moderaly commonplace.

In all honesty the poll should have been worded like the one I put up on Capture and Control. I think it provides for more accurate feedback on how people feel about the kit.

OverwatchCNC wrote:

I would like to make a motion that any further use of Justin Beiber result in no less than 10 lashings.

I am reserving all judgment until I have seen the model built in person.

These have got to be the two most intelligent things to come out of this thread so far.

However, I disagree about Justin Beiber... maybe a permanent ban would be appropriate, to protect dakkaites from repeat offenders?

Just a thought!

Padre^.

I've heard its not even the SR, might need to take that with a pinch of salt as what else could it be???.

twas from a fairly good source. But we'll have to see.

I quite like it.

It is cool enough, but the shape of it is really odd. Be good if my Crimson Claws could have one though

Forgot to say, I love it. The 2nd version with out the tail more so. As for stability in flight, I think its balanced with front and rear thrusters. I hope one day they are avalaible to all SM chapters.