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 insaniak wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:

How many models come with the base game?
Kind of curious that each gang only has 4 minis teased.
Will each gang get multiple copies of the same sprues or are we supposed to build gangs of 4 members each?

I don't think anything has been said about the number of minis included... although it's only 2 of each gang shown so far, not 4.

10 years ago, I would have said that it was likely there would be duplicates on the sprues, simply because that's how GW did their starter sets. Based on their more recent offerings, though, I would guess we're looking at 8-10 unique models for each gang.

Blood Bowl '16 had 6 unique sculpts x 2 for each team if I remember rightly.
But I guess you have to have more modularity for a game that used to (who knows about the upcoming) rely on customized model load-outs.

I thought there were 4 of each gang but I hadn't looked close enough at the photos of the bare minis.

The GSC and IG kits will be great for mixing and matching with some of the Hivers.

In fact, I really hope they include GSC as a gang. Chaos cultists too. Goliaths always seemed like prime khorne worshipers to me anyway.

 argonak wrote:
The GSC and IG kits will be great for mixing and matching with some of the Hivers.

In fact, I really hope they include GSC as a gang. Chaos cultists too. Goliaths always seemed like prime khorne worshipers to me anyway.

The thing I'm looking for in a GW human miniature is the ability to use the bits for conversions. I love Inq28 and when things can mix and match well, I'm far, far more likely to buy them. Being an Inq28 person, I was super happy about Shadow War Armageddon and even more happy about an actual Necromunda, but if it turns out that the figures won't match my small existing collection nor will any parts be available for conversions because of size differences I'm going to give the product a pass.

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To those who take exception to people caring about scale, what I said above: it's not rage nor is it me losing my mind about scale or being "that fething guy." It's just a simple evaluation of a product.

Who would have thought the characteristics of miniatures being important in a miniature game would be so hard for people to handle?

As long as all the Van Saars come with lasguns, im good! :p

 Grot 6 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
The question is, what size is that base? Once we have that, we'll know how the models actually compare.

They said in the beginning of this thread that the Goliaths were on 32MM bases. That means that these guys are around the same size as the AOS Blood Reavers.

I plan on using the Dark Vengeance cultists as my Orlocks. I just need to figure out how to separate my gangers and juves since the DV guys don't lend themselves to obvious distinction.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

"Working of John Blanche original sketch book for more awesome stuff. Release should be November slot. First 6 gangs release schedule sorted.

Oh that, can they just retire him and never ever use his art as inspiration ever again? his vision is what ruined the elegance of 40k and turned it into the "grimdark" visual waste it is today.

His vision was stellar in Mordheim, but nowhere else.

Heresy.
One of the things that sold me into the universe.
Less so Grilyma and his ragtag band of supermen for example.
Mary Sue, Blanche was not.


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 Breotan wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
The question is, what size is that base? Once we have that, we'll know how the models actually compare.

They said in the beginning of this thread that the Goliaths were on 32MM bases. That means that these guys are around the same size as the AOS Blood Reavers.

I plan on using the Dark Vengeance cultists as my Orlocks. I just need to figure out how to separate my gangers and juves since the DV guys don't lend themselves to obvious distinction.

Armor plates. Bigger guns. More techie bits.

 Chamberlain wrote:

 argonak wrote:
The GSC and IG kits will be great for mixing and matching with some of the Hivers.

In fact, I really hope they include GSC as a gang. Chaos cultists too. Goliaths always seemed like prime khorne worshipers to me anyway.

The thing I'm looking for in a GW human miniature is the ability to use the bits for conversions. I love Inq28 and when things can mix and match well, I'm far, far more likely to buy them. Being an Inq28 person, I was super happy about Shadow War Armageddon and even more happy about an actual Necromunda, but if it turns out that the figures won't match my small existing collection nor will any parts be available for conversions because of size differences I'm going to give the product a pass.

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To those who take exception to people caring about scale, what I said above: it's not rage nor is it me losing my mind about scale or being "that fething guy." It's just a simple evaluation of a product.

Who would have thought the characteristics of miniatures being important in a miniature game would be so hard for people to handle?

They'll mix perfectly well with modern GW stuff. They'll be a bit bigger than the 20 year old originals.

As was always going to be the case with a modern re imagining

 argonak wrote:
In fact, I really hope they include GSC as a gang.

I hope they don't. Your average gang leader wants a comfy gig collecting protection money while they wile away the days on booze, gambling and hookers. A genestealer cult leader's goal is to call a Hive Fleet to eat everybody and the planet they're standing on. It's an existential threat that demands to shape a campaign, which kind of spoils the tone for anyone looking for regular Necromunda.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 argonak wrote:
In fact, I really hope they include GSC as a gang.

I hope they don't. Your average gang leader wants a comfy gig collecting protection money while they wile away the days on booze, gambling and hookers. A genestealer cult leader's goal is to call a Hive Fleet to eat everybody and the planet they're standing on. It's an existential threat that demands to shape a campaign, which kind of spoils the tone for anyone looking for regular Necromunda.

From what came out of the open day, they are looking at exploring Hive Secundus which was infested by the cult, blown up and toppled on to its side.

So it sounds like you could have a "normal" campaign in Primus or a GS cult survival type campaign in Secundus

Neutral on Genestealer Cult, though it seems likely if only to shift more Neophytes.

Necromunda gangs are rich enough in style and background to not need gribblies running about the place too.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

And this comment shows exactly why people need to account for everything before making pronouncements, because guess how big Greyfax is once you account for her stilettos...?

~30mm to the eye.

Guess how big Scions are when you account for their pose...?

~30mm to the eye.

GSC? You get the idea.

Are you sure?

They're sitting on my desk right now and I have a ruler, so aye pretty sure. Measure Greyfax in her fully-upright pose from a point on her feet that pretends they are flats, and measure any of the recent plastic "normal human" kits in a way that accounts for their pose, they come out around 30mm to the eye. You're looking at comparison pics and the relative bulk and differing pose confuses the eye.


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As to GS cult, I will be super happy if they include them and Hive Secundus. One of the best things about Mordheim is that it became more than just one city, it was a vehicle for exploring the Warhammer World in the more human scale you normally only get to see in RPGs rather than wargames, so I'd love it if they take us beyond Hive Primus and explore totally wierd new places and even some familiar ones - vehicle-based gangs in the ash wastes, surviving the GSCult-infested ruins of Secundus, maybe the return of a reworked version of Palatine Hive with the Confrontation-style gangs? Awesome.

Nobody remember gang war magazines?

There were rules for genestealer cult, space vampires, squats, orks...

And i will be very happy to see them again.

 AlexHolker wrote:
I hope they don't. Your average gang leader wants a comfy gig collecting protection money while they wile away the days on booze, gambling and hookers. A genestealer cult leader's goal is to call a Hive Fleet to eat everybody and the planet they're standing on. It's an existential threat that demands to shape a campaign, which kind of spoils the tone for anyone looking for regular Necromunda.

Nah man, Genestealer Cult gangs are fun.

Having them and Chaos Cults in the game (not immediately, but eventually) will be wonderful, especially with the miniature support both have these days (less so for Chaos, but still).

 Starfarer wrote:
Why put female in quotes? Its pretty clearly a female.

Don't look for motive or meaning that isn't present. That's foolish.

 Starfarer wrote:
I equated it to the "Celestine is too fat" posts from a few months ago.

Which was foolish of you. You assumed motive.

 Starfarer wrote:
Its the same level of nonsense as that.

Not even close. It's a discussion about scale. You're the one who brought 'female miniatures' into this. We were talking about scale.

 Starfarer wrote:
The look of the models is subjective, but they simply aren't out of scale with other human models.

Yet have been shown to be in this very thread. Thanks for playing!

 Starfarer wrote:
Taller in heels doesnt mean out of scale.

When the entire body is larger as well, and it appears that a similar model comes up to the model's chin. That and the Goliaths are literally on bigger bases because they are bigger models. They're not in heels.

Heels is a weak excuse.

The scale change is unfortunate but not really surprising. If we look at the latest 40k and AOS releases they have ballooned in size, I cant use much of the chaos stuff from AOS in my 28mm chaos army for example.

Thinking about it, aren't they increasing the scale in the new Epic and BFG games too?

 ulgurstasta wrote:
The scale change is unfortunate but not really surprising. If we look at the latest 40k and AOS releases they have ballooned in size, I cant use much of the chaos stuff from AOS in my 28mm chaos army for example.

Thinking about it, aren't they increasing the scale in the new Epic and BFG games too?

This is becoming frustrating, because every time someone makes this error there's a chance you could put off a potential player - based on what we've seen, Necromunda is not in a new scale, it is in the same scale all GW releases have been in since Dark Vengeance in 2012 - human(~30mm to eyes), big human(~32-33mm to the eyes), and posthuman(~35-36mm to the eyes). This is something I was concerned about with AoS but they've remained remarkably consistent once you learn to account for pose, gear etc.

Escher look to be ~30mm to the eye, Goliath more like ~32mm.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Hey, those little guys are pretty cool!
Where can I buy some of those?

You have to hunt them down on ebay and 2nd hand collections. They're from 15-20 years ago and can be hard to find.

One cool thing that will hopefully come from this will be some original Necro models will become available via made to order.

People complaining about scale change will look silly when more of the models come out and you realize your concerns are unfounded. Even more silly than they look now.

Weve only seen 4 models and the two goliaths don't look out of scale, the only one people seem concerned with are the TWO models that are in HIGH HEELS. You think someone in high heel platform boots should be the same height as someone not on platforms?

People just took this idea and ran with it for miles not realizing that they don't have real evidence of a scale change. But contentious discontents will just be contentious discontents. If it wasn't this they'd find something else to be unhappy about.

Just wait till we see more before jumping to that conclusion or spreading unfounded fears like wildfire.


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Anyway, I'm really excited to see how they redo all the gangs. I hope they can capture even more of a cyberpunk theme to the models, more futuristic leather jackets and trenchcoats. A new modern take maybe on the van saars futuristic and sleek body armor. Hopefully new sculpts for scumy derelict guys.

I bought Canoness Veridyan, held her next to an old metal Sister and decided never to use them in the same army. That's how off GW's old scale looks to the new one. I can totally understand anyone with an old Necromunda collection who doesn't look forward to the new models.

Personally I doubt the new models will look off next to other modern GW plastics. I'm mostly following Yodhrin's argumentation here (although I don't find it remarkable if GW manages some coherency - isn't that what CAD is for?). Once you account for poses and gear, you'll get a fairly consistent size. It would be nice if we could accept that people have valid concerns, though, even if we don't share them. Dismissing it as whining, hate or other such stuff doesn't help anything.

Anyway, I'm more concerned that the new Goliaths are three times as wide as a man. I doubt they'll fit through a door even sideways.

The new Eschers and Goliaths look interesting. The paint job is making it hard to tell how the Escher's look as far as their faces are concerned (GW's female models generally look like men in wigs). In addition, that arm cannon revolver/thingy is somewhat funny looking.

I am hoping to see some more makeshift equipment with the Necromunda gangs this time around and less of the standard 40k equivalents. Overall tentatively positive, definitely glad they're bringing the game back.

 Accolade wrote:
I am hoping to see some more makeshift equipment with the Necromunda gangs this time around and less of the standard 40k equivalents. Overall tentatively positive, definitely glad they're bringing the game back.

Necromunda manufactures quite a bit of that kit so it makes sense for some of it to end up in the gangs' hands. I did prefer the Van Saar's take on the basic weapons though.

Saw this pic on Twitter. Sorry if it has already been shared. It looks like the arms, the shoulder guard, the chest plate, the items hanging from his belt, the head, and the Mohawk are all seperate pieces. This should allow for a decent amount of customisation with these plastics.

Chikout wrote:
Saw this pic on Twitter. Sorry if it has already been shared. It looks like the arms, the shoulder guard, the chest plate, the items hanging from his belt, the head, and the Mohawk are all seperate pieces. This should allow for a decent amount of customisation with these plastics.

As I said, this one has the same body:

Ya reckon that rumour image of the bunch of grenades is from Necromunda?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Ya reckon that rumour image of the bunch of grenades is from Necromunda?

Oh right maybe but wasnt there also something about city fight?

Chikout wrote:
Saw this pic on Twitter. Sorry if it has already been shared. It looks like the arms, the shoulder guard, the chest plate, the items hanging from his belt, the head, and the Mohawk are all seperate pieces. This should allow for a decent amount of customisation with these plastics.

The Goliath looks like he could be similar to the genestealer cults and skitarii kits. Torsos and legs are not interchangeable, but heads and arms are. The Escher with the pistol smacks of monopose though. Her torso is angled too realistically as she raises her arm to be anything but monopose.

I'm guessing that like other GW starters, we'll see monopose minis in the box, then multipose kits released afterwards.

 Desubot wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Ya reckon that rumour image of the bunch of grenades is from Necromunda?

Oh right maybe but wasnt there also something about city fight?

Oh didn't know there were city fight rumours.

Noob question: Can I also use a Dark Eldar gang to play?

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Saw this pic on Twitter. Sorry if it has already been shared. It looks like the arms, the shoulder guard, the chest plate, the items hanging from his belt, the head, and the Mohawk are all seperate pieces. This should allow for a decent amount of customisation with these plastics.

The Goliath looks like he could be similar to the genestealer cults and skitarii kits. Torsos and legs are not interchangeable, but heads and arms are. The Escher with the pistol smacks of monopose though. Her torso is angled too realistically as she raises her arm to be anything but monopose.

I'm guessing that like other GW starters, we'll see monopose minis in the box, then multipose kits released afterwards.

Looks like a one piece body with separate arms and head on that Escher

 ImAGeek wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Saw this pic on Twitter. Sorry if it has already been shared. It looks like the arms, the shoulder guard, the chest plate, the items hanging from his belt, the head, and the Mohawk are all seperate pieces. This should allow for a decent amount of customisation with these plastics.

As I said, this one has the same body:

Same body and arms. At least the right one.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Saw this pic on Twitter. Sorry if it has already been shared. It looks like the arms, the shoulder guard, the chest plate, the items hanging from his belt, the head, and the Mohawk are all seperate pieces. This should allow for a decent amount of customisation with these plastics.

The Goliath looks like he could be similar to the genestealer cults and skitarii kits. Torsos and legs are not interchangeable, but heads and arms are. The Escher with the pistol smacks of monopose though. Her torso is angled too realistically as she raises her arm to be anything but monopose.

I'm guessing that like other GW starters, we'll see monopose minis in the box, then multipose kits released afterwards.

So then why are they showing us multipose stuff for one gang and monopose stuff for another when both are in the starter? Plus they've already said the kits are multipose with lots of options. I would be willing to bet that the gangs in the starter are the same multipose kits that will be released later separately (the blood Bowl starter teams are the same as released later separately too). Plus, Necromunda needs options really.