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It appears that FFG will be streaming a Star Wars Hyperspace Report on May 1st, giving a "closer look at upcoming Star Wars products". I think last time they did something like this, they announced new waves for Armada and X-Wing, and showed Legion for the first time.

How is this game in your area? Should I go in and buy a bunch of stuff and flip it here?

We got it in, sold out. Got more in, sold out. Third shipment, sold out of Imperials. Fourth shipment is finally has stuff sitting on the shelf. Have gone thru over twenty of the core boxes, not sure how many expansions. I don’t think it’d be worth the effort to flip because there doesn’t seem to be any difficulty in acquiring more product thru normal channels if it does really well in ones area, so there’s no real shortages I’ve heard of.

next expansions for legion

I need that Boba....NEED

I wonder how easy it would be to take Storm Trooper or Snow Trooper Arms and put them on the Scout Troopers to make Storm Commandos.

Oh sweet Emperor those Scout Troopers look sexy.

The scout troopers are more cool than I expected, i'll probably end up getting both of these expansions.

Good god look at Fett and those scouts, have been trying to stay away from this as don’t want to start another game but I need those minis. Damn you FFG.

So these are supposed to be the "Mirror" units for Empire against Solo and the Endor Troopers, eh? Neat. Love the looks of both and am VERY happy to see a Sniper Scout

The models look great. I'm just pleased the photos always show so many cards and tokens. It means my money stays in my wallet. I already play X-wing - I can't be doing with what feels like another TCG.

Apart from not wanting to start another game, the amount of cards in this game have kind of put me off. But like I said dem scouts are too cool. Now if they come out with ewoks I can see myself having trouble staying away.

Mind you a scavenger group of Jawas trying to secure a group of droids before the sand people turn up would be a cool theme too.

I honestly don't understand why people hate the cards. Do you not understand that the cards have absolutely zero gameplay function and are purely a rules reference? That they are just your "codex", except cut up into card-size pieces that you can put out on the table as a convenient reference instead of having to flip through a book to find the right page for a unit? And that, if you don't feel that you need the reference out at all times, you can omit the cards entirely without losing anything?

 Peregrine wrote:
I honestly don't understand why people hate the cards. Do you not understand that the cards have absolutely zero gameplay function and are purely a rules reference? That they are just your "codex", except cut up into card-size pieces that you can put out on the table as a convenient reference instead of having to flip through a book to find the right page for a unit? And that, if you don't feel that you need the reference out at all times, you can omit the cards entirely without losing anything?

Not only this, but unlike X wing you only need to get expansions for one faction. The way they are handling the cards in this game isn't as bad as X wing where you'd need to buy an expansion just for 1-2 cards you need. A lot of the cards are specific to a unit, or commander. And the generic ones are in expansions on both sides.

 Peregrine wrote:
I honestly don't understand why people hate the cards. Do you not understand that the cards have absolutely zero gameplay function and are purely a rules reference? That they are just your "codex", except cut up into card-size pieces that you can put out on the table as a convenient reference instead of having to flip through a book to find the right page for a unit? And that, if you don't feel that you need the reference out at all times, you can omit the cards entirely without losing anything?

It’s not a case of hating the cards as such, just more a case of storage for me. Sure I could leave the cards out but I’m still going to have to store them somewhere.

They also announced a new unit type which Boba and Han fill, Operative. They act as an indivigual like a Commander but don’t issue orders to other units, just themselves.

 AduroT wrote:
They also announced a new unit type which Boba and Han fill, Operative. They act as an indivigual like a Commander but don’t issue orders to other units, just themselves.

Han actually is a commander, I imagine down the line Chewbacca would be considered an Operative.

 xKillGorex wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
I honestly don't understand why people hate the cards. Do you not understand that the cards have absolutely zero gameplay function and are purely a rules reference? That they are just your "codex", except cut up into card-size pieces that you can put out on the table as a convenient reference instead of having to flip through a book to find the right page for a unit? And that, if you don't feel that you need the reference out at all times, you can omit the cards entirely without losing anything?

It’s not a case of hating the cards as such, just more a case of storage for me. Sure I could leave the cards out but I’m still going to have to store them somewhere.

I don't see how this is a problem. You're talking about what, a 6" cube to hold an entire collection of cards? Maybe a shoe box if you really go all-in on Legion and buy a ton of copies of everything? That's a trivial amount of space, especially compared to the miniatures.

Its a problem when space is a premium, I don’t really have the space to store yet another game with all the extras it brings.

Like i said earlier I was staying away from legion as don’t want to start another game but then saw the scout minis. But hey each to their own I didn’t come on here to argue about storing cards and such.

Does look a fun game Mind.

 Peregrine wrote:
I honestly don't understand why people hate the cards. Do you not understand that the cards have absolutely zero gameplay function and are purely a rules reference? That they are just your "codex", except cut up into card-size pieces that you can put out on the table as a convenient reference instead of having to flip through a book to find the right page for a unit? And that, if you don't feel that you need the reference out at all times, you can omit the cards entirely without losing anything?

You don't need to buy multiple codexes if you want to give additional squads Lascannons, and while it's true in theory that you could just not bother with the cards at all and write down all the rules on your army list or make your own duplicates, judging by the existing FFG community's antics on forums and facebook since the game launched in practice you either own and bring all the cards you need or you'll struggle to get a pickup game. These people have made serious, in-depth arguments that scenic bases are actual cheating, that converting models is unfair to your opponent because it changes the silhouette from the official FFG-intended one, and yes that not owning every single card and having them all laid out at the table edge is "illegal" because that's how the rules tell you to play. There were disturbingly few people disputing this kind of nonsense, even for semi-casual(ie not in an organised event, but not in your own home) play.

Also, it's a lot harder to lose the the unit entry and their equipment list when they're a page bound in a book rather than a bunch of fiddly wee half-size cards.

With them making an official list building app for X-Wing, I think they could get a ton of good will by doing the same for Legion and no longer requiring a physical copy of every instance of a card across your army.

 AduroT wrote:
With them making an official list building app for X-Wing, I think they could get a ton of good will by doing the same for Legion and no longer requiring a physical copy of every instance of a card across your army.

Well considering they still intend to require you own a physical copy of every instance of a card for X-Wing 2.0, I doubt that'll happen. The app is just a lisbuilder with points they can change on the fly, everything else is still on the cards and events(and thus, because what goes for tournaments is apparently the holy Word of The Lord to a big part of the FFG fanbase, pretty much everywhere else too) will require you have them all.

Do the apps (for x-wing or legion) allow you to print a roster with all of the data you need to play a game without having to delve through folders/boxes for particular cards?

 Yodhrin wrote:
judging by the existing FFG community's antics on forums and facebook since the game launched in practice you either own and bring all the cards you need or you'll struggle to get a pickup game.

This goes directly against my experience with FFG games. In pickup X-Wing games cards are not an issue. At least half the players bring printed lists from online squad builders instead, playtesting with standard tournament lists is often done with just the ship cards on the table (and only to hold shield tokens and damage cards), and I have never seen anyone refuse a game because of a missing upgrade card. The only time cards have ever been required is in FFG-sanctioned events, where FFG imposes the requirement as proof of purchase. Outside of that nobody gives a about proving to FFG that you spent enough money on the game.

These people have made serious, in-depth arguments that scenic bases are actual cheating, that converting models is unfair to your opponent because it changes the silhouette from the official FFG-intended one, and yes that not owning every single card and having them all laid out at the table edge is "illegal" because that's how the rules tell you to play.

One of these things is not like the others. Scenic bases and conversions are a legitimate issue in a game with TLOS, and it's entirely reasonable to object to something that changes how a model functions in the game (much like having a custom ship base in X-Wing with a larger firing arc). Having the cards may be "illegal" but it has zero gameplay function and I have never seen anyone care about it.

Also, it's a lot harder to lose the the unit entry and their equipment list when they're a page bound in a book rather than a bunch of fiddly wee half-size cards.

Also not a thing I have seen any problems with. I can't remember ever losing any cards, and even if you do you can always use the internet as a rules reference. IMO I'll take the cards for convenience of use and just be careful to keep track of all of my stuff in the official FFG events where I have to take them out of the box.


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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Do the apps (for x-wing or legion) allow you to print a roster with all of the data you need to play a game without having to delve through folders/boxes for particular cards?

Yep. Third-party squad builders can print a list that includes all the rules you need, in a more convenient from than the cards. Outside of FFG's own events this is a standard way of playing the game.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
judging by the existing FFG community's antics on forums and facebook since the game launched in practice you either own and bring all the cards you need or you'll struggle to get a pickup game.

This goes directly against my experience with FFG games. In pickup X-Wing games cards are not an issue. At least half the players bring printed lists from online squad builders instead, playtesting with standard tournament lists is often done with just the ship cards on the table (and only to hold shield tokens and damage cards), and I have never seen anyone refuse a game because of a missing upgrade card. The only time cards have ever been required is in FFG-sanctioned events, where FFG imposes the requirement as proof of purchase. Outside of that nobody gives a about proving to FFG that you spent enough money on the game.

Ah well, your anecdote completely disproves the multiple hundred-comment threads on the various facebook groups with people stating exactly the opposite, problem solved

These people have made serious, in-depth arguments that scenic bases are actual cheating, that converting models is unfair to your opponent because it changes the silhouette from the official FFG-intended one, and yes that not owning every single card and having them all laid out at the table edge is "illegal" because that's how the rules tell you to play.

One of these things is not like the others. Scenic bases and conversions are a legitimate issue in a game with TLOS, and it's entirely reasonable to object to something that changes how a model functions in the game (much like having a custom ship base in X-Wing with a larger firing arc). Having the cards may be "illegal" but it has zero gameplay function and I have never seen anyone care about it.

First, the game doesn't use proper TLOS, it uses a weird hybrid system that nonetheless retains the single key feature of TLOS that makes your point total nonsense; any change in size and shape applies both ways, by making easier to see you make yourself easier to be seen, and the reverse, so the idea that conversions and scenic bases can meaningfully affect the outcomes of games is a farcical idea. But, regardless, there isn't actually the difference you state there is, because the underlying logic being used in all three cases is the same: You Must Use What Is Official Exactly As The Rulebook Decrees. It's not a coincidence that the same people making the former two arguments often make the latter one as well.

Also, it's a lot harder to lose the the unit entry and their equipment list when they're a page bound in a book rather than a bunch of fiddly wee half-size cards.

Also not a thing I have seen any problems with. I can't remember ever losing any cards, and even if you do you can always use the internet as a rules reference. IMO I'll take the cards for convenience of use and just be careful to keep track of all of my stuff in the official FFG events where I have to take them out of the box.

Ah well, there we have it. Once again, it's an issue that hasn't personally affected Peregrine, so obviously it's not an issue at all

Having once had a fairly large MTG collection, I can absolutely assure you that cards can get lost, and if the "you have to own the cards" sentiment is as commonplace as social media seems to suggest it is - which I am more inclined to take as an indicator than one person asserting "nu-uh" - then "just use the internet as a reference" isn't much of a solution.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Ah well, your anecdote completely disproves the multiple hundred-comment threads on the various facebook groups with people stating exactly the opposite, problem solved

People say stupid stuff on the internet, and mine is hardly the only anecdote. The card issue does not exist in real games.

First, the game doesn't use proper TLOS, it uses a weird hybrid system that nonetheless retains the single key feature of TLOS that makes your point total nonsense; any change in size and shape applies both ways, by making easier to see you make yourself easier to be seen, and the reverse, so the idea that conversions and scenic bases can meaningfully affect the outcomes of games is a farcical idea. But, regardless, there isn't actually the difference you state there is, because the underlying logic being used in all three cases is the same: You Must Use What Is Official Exactly As The Rulebook Decrees. It's not a coincidence that the same people making the former two arguments often make the latter one as well.

"TLOS works both ways" is not an excuse. For example, getting a bit of extra height to see over a wall may be of much more value than being out of LOS when talking about an alpha strike type unit that is there to deliver firepower even if it means dying to do so. Or maybe the unit has a range advantage so being visible to return fire is irrelevant. Or maybe it's the opposite, having a lower pose on a low-firepower objective camper makes it harder to remove from the objective while losing the ability to shoot is a marginal penalty. There's a reason why "modeling for advantage" is a concept in other games, just like the concept of playing a custom model according to the LOS profile of the standard kit. The Legion community just doesn't have the baggage of GW's careless attitude towards the rules and apparently takes MFA rules to their natural conclusion.

And, again, the underlying logic is not the same at all. People object to LOS changes because it makes a functional difference in how the game is played. Owning official copies of all of the cards does not change how the game is played in any way. That's why people like me can play strict RAW in X-Wing when it comes to actual gameplay issues but not give a about putting out a bunch of irrelevant paper just to prove to FFG that you spent at least $X on the game.

Ah well, there we have it. Once again, it's an issue that hasn't personally affected Peregrine, so obviously it's not an issue at all

It really isn't an issue. Once every few months you can take one squad's worth of cards out of the box for a FFG tournament, and the rest of the time you can play with printed lists from online squad builders and never touch the cards. TBH you're more likely to lose a codex that you have to bring to every game than an X-Wing card that rarely leaves home.

Anyways! there's a bit of an issue with the Boba Fett expansion that I am curious about. The way Bounty is worded seems like so long as anything kills Boba's target you get the extra victory point. I am not sure this is intended.

There's also the fact that Immobilization tokens aren't defined in the rules reference.. But given Boba Fett's release is a ways off, I imagine that they'll be adding that in later.

This card thing seems easy to adjudicate. If official events don't require you to have the cards then they're just a convenience that doesn't impact collecting the game. If they are then the card bloat and cost is a legitimate negative that can and will put people off the game. How anybody's particular group of friends play it is irrelevant to everyone outside their group, and extrapolation from anecdotes is a waste of time.

My only issue with the cards is organizing them. Right now its fine, but they eventually just get to a point where finding the cards I need for a list takes longer than foaming the models. It's not an unsolvable problem, but its one I don't deal with with games that have gone digital and is just kind of a hassle. I tried to adhere to the cards in X-Wing to my detriment; wandered away from the game for a while and really only came back when I sucked it up and started playing exclusively via the unofficial apps.

Legion is in many ways MUCH better than X-Wing and in a couple ways a little more annoying. The more annoying is definitely if you have multiple units with any equipment variance. That said, I've played enough games now that I don't even need to cards for reference and the only ones that feel crucial are the ones that need to be tapped to use.

Must acquire Fett, scouts & snowtroopers!

Urgh. Now I just have to find someone willing to play.