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Grot 6 wrote:Yeah, This one will be in the sale pile in about a month...

I don't think it is as dire as that. It's worth being wary of the future of the game due to FFG's history, but it is a bad idea to judge the future potential of a miniatures game based on early adopters. Honestly, I think the most important aspect of a miniatures game is ongoing support, and if FFG keeps pumping out new expansions (they couldn't for Runewars), the game will keep growing.

I think FFG's initial rollout policy is terrible, as it was with Runewars. The majority of early expansions are just from the core box, which every player is guaranteed to have (you can't play the game without the movement tools, dice, tokens, deployment cards, so you can't build an army separately). The chief competition for those expansions is the core box, and they are not priced appropriately. At $25 for a trooper box, it is more than 1/4th of the cost of core set, while getting 1/8th the value (not including the value of extra barricades and dice). There's no situation in which that $25 trooper box is going to look like a good deal. Once you get past the stuff in the core box (like the AT-ST), the value becomes a little more reasonable. So, let's see where Legion is at after a year's time, when they've released more things worth buying.

kodos wrote:We have already compared it, if take on the cheapest possible way to enter 40k, Legion is still 100€ cheaper.

Compared to other games, ~200€ is the level for a complete army or whatever and Legion fits in there the same way as X-Wing
I already explained my reasoning. I think GW products are more playable at lower point totals, so you need less product to have a fully playable game. For instance, I think Know No Fear (or Thunder & Blood for AoS) is perfectly playable for two players at $80, while I don't think Legion is playable at $90.

And then buy another $90 core set, with duplicate cards, figures, and tokens you don't need, because you still don't have a game with only one.

or just get the expensions instead

It is still a much better value than buying its components separately. However, unlike Runewars, I'm not sure a second core box is the best way. I just don't think you want that many speeder bikes or four identical basic trooper units. It feels like a stop gap until more unit variety is available.
   
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It is still a much better value than buying its components separately. However, unlike Runewars, I'm not sure a second core box is the best way. I just don't think you want that many speeder bikes or four identical basic trooper units. It feels like a stop gap until more unit variety is available.


2 unit of bikes seems perfectly fine. Currently they're probably the single most efficient unit in the game. I'm strongly considering buying a third unit after getting 2 in core boxes. The AT-RT is also quite strong and a pretty versatile piece worth considering in any of its 4 configs. At first I thought Snowtroopers would strictly replace Stormtroopers, but I'm less certain now. The DLT is a pretty amazing gun exclusive to regular Stormies. With the heavy emphasis on trooper units for scenario, I'm actually thinking 4x Storm/2x Snow might be a perfectly viable plan. I'd not be surprised to see something similar with the Rebel Troopers.

I do think it would have helped immensely if Leia/Veers/Snow/Fleet expansions were available at launch, but apparently we're supposed to be getting them as part of a monthly release schedule. It will be interesting to see if they can keep up with that.
   
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On the arguement of GW 40k vs Legion is cost, there is no comparison. GW is a crap ton more expensive even if you go the cheapest routes possible to build a typical entry level tournament army. Between rule book a codex and possibly a chapter approved you are already up there in money, and that is before adding it models or any other add ons. Yes you can get some SC sets for GW which are nice but they don't come with everything you need to field them and are far from what you need for an army.

GW has multiple ways to get into 40k: First Strike, Know No Fear, Dark Imperium (not including stuff like Start Collecting boxes, the occasional box like Forgebane, and the Christmas battleforce bundles). All three of these starter products can be cheaply expanded with Easy Build models, and include the unit sheets so you don't even technically need a codex. As long as you want Primaris space marines or Death Guard, 40k isn't very expensive to get into at all.
   
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Legion will suffer from the same thing the other FFG properties do.

Once it moves out of Original Trilogy territory, to add armies, it will crap out and start to die off.

Sure, they can throw in singles here and there like Imperial Assault; Chewie, Droids, etc... that my buy some time, but not much.

I think it was HBMC who brought this up concerning vehicles. Once they hit the iconic ones, which tye pretty much have, they need to go to the other movies.



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 Sqorgar wrote:
angel of death 007 wrote:
On the arguement of GW 40k vs Legion is cost, there is no comparison. GW is a crap ton more expensive even if you go the cheapest routes possible to build a typical entry level tournament army. Between rule book a codex and possibly a chapter approved you are already up there in money, and that is before adding it models or any other add ons. Yes you can get some SC sets for GW which are nice but they don't come with everything you need to field them and are far from what you need for an army.

GW has multiple ways to get into 40k: First Strike, Know No Fear, Dark Imperium (not including stuff like Start Collecting boxes, the occasional box like Forgebane, and the Christmas battleforce bundles). All three of these starter products can be cheaply expanded with Easy Build models, and include the unit sheets so you don't even technically need a codex. As long as you want Primaris space marines or Death Guard, 40k isn't very expensive to get into at all.


40k has exactly ONE way to get into the game if you're not interested in Primaris Marines or Death Guard and you want to play "standard", i.e. ~2000 point Matched Play games of 40k. Buy a core rule book. Buy one or more index/codex books and then spend enough money to buy 2000 points worth of models. You'll be in for hundreds and hundreds of dollars. First Strike, Know No Fear and Dark Imperium are only worthwhile if you're interested in those two specific factions.

Also, why are people saying that Disney is trying to kill Star Wars and that Star Wars is toxic? It's one of the strongest IPs in the market right now. Star Wars is a massive money maker. Is this just salt from people who didn't like the new movies?

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I think if they bite the bullet and add Clone Wars factions things will be fine. If they stick to the rebellion era things are going to be tough.


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Also, why are people saying that Disney is trying to kill Star Wars and that Star Wars is toxic? It's one of the strongest IPs in the market right now. Star Wars is a massive money maker. Is this just salt from people who didn't like the new movies?


One person said this, but to answer the question... yes?

Locally its probably the fastest selling game our LGS has seen. Keeping the momentum is always the challenge though.

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 Kriswall wrote:

40k has exactly ONE way to get into the game if you're not interested in Primaris Marines or Death Guard and you want to play "standard", i.e. ~2000 point Matched Play games of 40k. Buy a core rule book. Buy one or more index/codex books and then spend enough money to buy 2000 points worth of models. You'll be in for hundreds and hundreds of dollars. First Strike, Know No Fear and Dark Imperium are only worthwhile if you're interested in those two specific factions.

There's several things here that I disagree with. The first is that not everybody plays at 2000 pts, especially new players. A starter box is something intended to teach a game, or at least present a representative sample of the game, not build a tournament level army. You could argue that the Warmachine starter box (Cryx vs Cygnar?) or Infinity starter box (PanO vs Nomads) are worthless if you don't want to play those armies, but that's not what the function of a two player starter box is, and that's why there are other, individual army starter boxes in addition to the two player starter boxes. Legion doesn't have that option.

Second, the core 40k rulebook is pretty optional. The core 8 pages of rules are freely available (and included in the starter sets), and the majority of the other rules in the rulebook are not immediately relevant to new players (most isn't relevant to old players either). Arguably, a new player could skip the codex as well, relying on the data sheets included with the models and using power levels to build armies. It's not optimal, but if you allow for the possibility that new players aren't going to tournaments the day after they start, it's at least playable without spending lots of money.

To get to tournament level, GW games are expensive. But for new players and casual players, it is not particularly expensive to get into the game. There's also multiple options that you can choose from. If price is a concern, GW has products for you. If choosing your army is a concern, GW has products for you. Legion has a single $90 entry point, which I would argue isn't a complete product, much less an actual entry point. Legion has a poor starter product and for players who are not yet ready to commit to a tournament army, or even to Legion as a whole, it probably does more harm than good.

Also, why are people saying that Disney is trying to kill Star Wars and that Star Wars is toxic? It's one of the strongest IPs in the market right now. Star Wars is a massive money maker. Is this just salt from people who didn't like the new movies?
It is salt (the new movies are objectively poorly written), but at the same time, Star Wars merchandise is rotting on clearance racks showing that the property is definitely not as healthy as when Disney bought it.
   
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 Sqorgar wrote:
is perfectly playable for two players at $80, while I don't think Legion is playable at $90.

Legion offers a more playable game in the core Box than 40k for the same price

Yes you can start 40k with the Faction Starter and the free rules but you miss parts of the game
the same for Legion, except that the full rules are free to download and yes for 40k you need the rulebook and the codex or you have no scenarios, mission, command cards etc


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Legion will suffer from the same thing the other FFG properties do.
Once it moves out of Original Trilogy territory, to add armies, it will crap out and start to die off.

I would say the other way around, as soon as we get Clone Wars and Rebels the game will get a boost

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So many angry GW sychophants in this thread ranting about an entirely non-GW game. I can only imagine that Fear has led to Anger which has led to Hate.
Fear of a game possibly stealing away some of 40k's limelight for a short while.

It's a game! Not a way of life. You're not buying a life choice. You're not buying a puppy.
Stop using the word "investement".

You can buy a game, have fun painting the figures, have fun playing it for a while. Then stop.
You don't have to have continual releases for the money you spent on it make it 'worthwhile'.
It can go on the shelf at somepoint, or to a car boot, or put the figures away in a box or a display cabinet. If you feel you had fun for the money you spent then all well and good.

Oh, and all that gak about FFG will drop this game, "just look at their history blah blah blah".
Well, some people played Warhammer Fantasy Battles, one of 2 main games made by GW. Look at that now. Gone. History. Dropped. I guess looking at GW's history, that's 50% of their long term line up dropped. So all that gak about FFG dropping games, coming from GW fans... just a waste of bytes travelling down the interwebs. The only game they've made that is still going is 40k. And you've had to buy that 8 times over (and codices/supplements etc). The only thing remaining are the little toy soldiers. And then the continuing scale changes and removal of older models from the latest books means even those are a waste of time. Is that 'support'?

I'd so much rather be reading about what's coming for Star Wars Legion, short lived or not, DoA or not.

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Its hard to say whether Legion will peter out so stupidly early into the game. So many people complained about Armada and how it was going to die due to price, bad Core Set construction and lack of ships to pull from that it's become a running joke on the FFG forums, and the game has 7 waves of ships and a really good campaign set so far.

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If you think there will be a boost when the Clone Wars come around.... you will be sorely surprised. In the U.S. the Prequels are pretty heavily panned and disliked.

People *might* buy some Clone Troopers ( I doubt it ) to fill out some "different" Stormtroopers, but they are already painting them to look like Clone Wars troopers.

So why buy more? lol

What's left outside of that from the Prequels? Gungans? Droids?

I stand by my assessment.



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 TalonZahn wrote:
If you think there will be a boost when the Clone Wars come around.... you will be sorely surprised. In the U.S. the Prequels are pretty heavily panned and disliked.

People *might* buy some Clone Troopers ( I doubt it ) to fill out some "different" Stormtroopers, but they are already painting them to look like Clone Wars troopers.

So why buy more? lol

What's left outside of that from the Prequels? Gungans? Droids?

I stand by my assessment.


I actually prefer the setting of the Clones Wars (although the prequel movies were obviously inferior IMO to the original trilogy) for most gaming and used to set my RPG during that time. I also think it works better for wargaming as well personally. I just have alot of good memories of the EU stories (mainly comics) set in that time that I strongly preferred to both Galactic Civil War and the post-original trilogy EU works (at least until the the Legacy era 130+ years ABY).

   
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 TalonZahn wrote:
If you think there will be a boost when the Clone Wars come around.... you will be sorely surprised. In the U.S. the Prequels are pretty heavily panned and disliked.

this has nothing to too about the prequels or the movies in general (people play the game for the setting and not for a specific movie)
but the clone wars gives much more possibilities and it were the only part in the timeline were a wargame can shine

even Hoth was just one battle with a clear outcome while the clone wars give much more freedom


Legion has enough Fluff and good rules to keep people playing, the only thing were it can fail is too less variation in troops
and while the clones were just colored stormtroopers, the separatists had more than just droids
even a full wookie army is possible in clone wars

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Im still waiting to buy in, want to see what else they come out with for the Empire. At the very least I'll be waiting for Veers and the Snow Troopers and then make them Imperial Marines.
   
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 TalonZahn wrote:
If you think there will be a boost when the Clone Wars come around.... you will be sorely surprised. In the U.S. the Prequels are pretty heavily panned and disliked


People don’t like the prequels? I had no idea...

The droid army is still good fodder for a war game and I always stand by the notion that any war game army full of things I hate gives me a great opportunity to kill them.

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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
So many angry GW sychophants in this thread ranting about an entirely non-GW game. I can only imagine that Fear has led to Anger which has led to Hate.
Fear of a game possibly stealing away some of 40k's limelight for a short while.
Are you talking about me? I've never even played 40k. I've played more Runewars in the past year than anything by GW. My complaints are as a FFG customer.

If you feel you had fun for the money you spent then all well and good.
The thing I've been complaining about is that I HAVEN'T had fun for the money I spent.

Oh, and all that gak about FFG will drop this game, "just look at their history blah blah blah".
As a Runewars player, we had to wait months for all four factions, and even then, the Uthuk and Latari factions are currently lacking basic functionality that the other two have (ranged and second hero for Uthuk, melee for Latari). I think the last release (the Uthuk army expansion) was in November, and with Legion delaying things, it will probably be June before the next release (assuming there is one). There's been absolutely no communication at all since the announcement of the wraiths and scouts. I'm not sure what FFG could do to make me less optimistic about the future of the game.

FFG's competence here is directly related. It's not "look at their history to see how they've fethed up in the past" (and they have), it's "look at them fething up right now with something basically identical to Legion". The fact that Legion is Star Wars doesn't make me feel like the results of these decisions will turn out differently.

Well, some people played Warhammer Fantasy Battles, one of 2 main games made by GW. Look at that now. Gone. History. Dropped. I guess looking at GW's history, that's 50% of their long term line up dropped. So all that gak about FFG dropping games, coming from GW fans... just a waste of bytes travelling down the interwebs. The only game they've made that is still going is 40k. And you've had to buy that 8 times over (and codices/supplements etc). The only thing remaining are the little toy soldiers. And then the continuing scale changes and removal of older models from the latest books means even those are a waste of time. Is that 'support'?
I don't want Legion to fail. I want them to move past the obvious troop stuff and get to things like Ewoks (why start with Endor troops and not have Ewoks?) or Mon Calamari vs Quarren troops. I would kill to see a model of heavy Ithorian armor. I want a troop transport and a landspeeder. Is Kyle Katarn still canon in Disney's universe? I would literally recreate entire levels of Dark Forces if he got a model. I'd LOVE to see Clone Wars stuff (despite FFG refusing to admit that era exists, I would buy basically anything that showed up in RotS or the Clone Wars show).

I want Legion to succeed not because of what it currently has, but what it could have one day. That's what I'm talking about when I say investment. The game that is currently there is passable (my main complaints are about the starter set, not the game), and with a little work, it could be amazing. Right now, it is frustrating and there's insecurity about its handling.
   
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 Sqorgar wrote:
 Kriswall wrote:

40k has exactly ONE way to get into the game if you're not interested in Primaris Marines or Death Guard and you want to play "standard", i.e. ~2000 point Matched Play games of 40k. Buy a core rule book. Buy one or more index/codex books and then spend enough money to buy 2000 points worth of models. You'll be in for hundreds and hundreds of dollars. First Strike, Know No Fear and Dark Imperium are only worthwhile if you're interested in those two specific factions.

There's several things here that I disagree with. The first is that not everybody plays at 2000 pts, especially new players. A starter box is something intended to teach a game, or at least present a representative sample of the game, not build a tournament level army. You could argue that the Warmachine starter box (Cryx vs Cygnar?) or Infinity starter box (PanO vs Nomads) are worthless if you don't want to play those armies, but that's not what the function of a two player starter box is, and that's why there are other, individual army starter boxes in addition to the two player starter boxes. Legion doesn't have that option.

Second, the core 40k rulebook is pretty optional. The core 8 pages of rules are freely available (and included in the starter sets), and the majority of the other rules in the rulebook are not immediately relevant to new players (most isn't relevant to old players either). Arguably, a new player could skip the codex as well, relying on the data sheets included with the models and using power levels to build armies. It's not optimal, but if you allow for the possibility that new players aren't going to tournaments the day after they start, it's at least playable without spending lots of money.

To get to tournament level, GW games are expensive. But for new players and casual players, it is not particularly expensive to get into the game. There's also multiple options that you can choose from. If price is a concern, GW has products for you. If choosing your army is a concern, GW has products for you. Legion has a single $90 entry point, which I would argue isn't a complete product, much less an actual entry point. Legion has a poor starter product and for players who are not yet ready to commit to a tournament army, or even to Legion as a whole, it probably does more harm than good.

Also, why are people saying that Disney is trying to kill Star Wars and that Star Wars is toxic? It's one of the strongest IPs in the market right now. Star Wars is a massive money maker. Is this just salt from people who didn't like the new movies?
It is salt (the new movies are objectively poorly written), but at the same time, Star Wars merchandise is rotting on clearance racks showing that the property is definitely not as healthy as when Disney bought it.


Most people who play 40k and are there for pick up games wanna play 2000 pts. Typically under this people think you are a noob and a lot of people don't want to teach the game. The core 8 page rules are good for a demo anything aside from that you need a full rulebook. Since most 40k players at my LGS are far from noobs skipping the codex will put you at a serious disadvantage or even a handicap which is why GW makes so much money on codex's which they don't need but it is pure gold money maker so they make it a necessity. Obvious to anyone considering they release a new codex every month/ or every other month and hardly ever new models with the new dex. So if you don't need a codex why is it the main thing GW puts out? I don't know one person who uses power levels to build an army at all. You are right new players are not going to tournaments, but most players at atleast my LGS who are looking for pickup games are going there with a 2000 point tournament list they want to play test. If this is different from the 40k norm in your area then I apologize but honestly this is the typical 40k regulars at my LGS and several other locations i have visited.
   
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Most people who play 40k and are there for pick up games wanna play 2000 pts. Typically under this people think you are a noob and a lot of people don't want to teach the game.
We're talking about the cost of getting into 40k and starter products in general, so I am assuming we're talking about noobs. But I'm starting to understand why other people don't think the Legion starter box is a bad product. I'm guessing that if they have decided to play Legion, they've already bought two cores and an AT-ST, sight unseen. They don't use the starter box as an introduction, and their eye is on tournament level games, not simply experiencing what the game has to offer before deciding to buy more.

The core 8 page rules are good for a demo anything aside from that you need a full rulebook. Since most 40k players at my LGS are far from noobs skipping the codex will put you at a serious disadvantage or even a handicap which is why GW makes so much money on codex's which they don't need but it is pure gold money maker so they make it a necessity. ... I don't know one person who uses power levels to build an army at all. You are right new players are not going to tournaments, but most players at atleast my LGS who are looking for pickup games are going there with a 2000 point tournament list they want to play test.

That's one way to play, sure, but it isn't the only way. As a casual player, I mostly interact with other casual players, and we don't necessarily go to the LGS to play. We play on our own tables in our own houses. When we do play at the LGS, we generally play with a group of people we are familiar with rather than doing pick up games against strangers. I'd wager that there are plenty of casual, non-LGS games going on out there - possibly even more of them - and that the things your group thinks are so fundamental to the experience are not even a blip on the casual radar.

For instance, a two player starter set is obviously not designed for people who want to be up and running at 2000 pts for their first game. It's designed for friends, spouses, and siblings to dip their toes into the game - ones who may not have a strong opinion on Cygnar vs Khador and the current meta. Boxes like these are (usually) a self contained introduction to the game, a purchase more in line with buying a board game than investing in a game system. These starter sets usually represent a good value overall, so more hardcore players will still pick them up... but these boxes aren't designed for that audience. (Though I think that maybe Legion's is)

There was this episode of The Dice Tower called, Great Games We'll Never Play Again!. In it, all three of the panelists say Android: Netrunner, despite enjoying the game a lot, and all three of them bring up the exact same player who ruined the game for them by being aggressively hardcore about how it is played. There isn't just one audience for a game, and sometimes, people think that their aggressively hardcore approach is the only way to play a game, and not only is it offputting to other players, it has an opportunity to ruin the game for them forever. For some reason, what you wrote above reminded me of that.

If this is different from the 40k norm in your area then I apologize but honestly this is the typical 40k regulars at my LGS and several other locations i have visited.
I don't play 40k, but I suspect my local 40k group is very similar. But if I did play 40k, they wouldn't be the people I'd be playing against anyway.
   
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We seem to have strayed pretty far afield. Let's slow riiiight down on the off topic stuff and return to actual news and rumours alright? Actual discussion of this game can go in one of its discussion threads, it's why we've got em

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So the fantasy flight website is pretty rubbish. It does a poor job of explaining the contents of the expansion packs or even showing when they are going to be released. I was interested in the snow troopers, but after clicking through three pages of unhelpful info all I can see is a release date of q1 2018 which has already finished. Is there a good Website that people go to for info?
Also why is the entire Imperial Assault line out of stock? Has it been discontinued in favour of Legions?
   
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Also why is the entire Imperial Assault line out of stock? Has it been discontinued in favour of Legions?


FFG has, to my knowledge, never sold Imperial Assault directly on their website. Persistent rumor is that Hasbro felt that it was a Star Wars board game and that the veneer given of a skirmish game as well was insufficient to get it out of the area of their own license. As part of a presumed settlement, FFG doesn't sell the product directly and it's only available via third parties. I've not come across anything official, but it's a rumor that would appear to have at least a ring of truth to it.

Now with the release of Legion I wouldn't be shocked to find out they weren't going to be doing major work on Imperial Assault anymore; if they do have restrictions put on their sale of the latter it means they get far better ROI on other products. It'd also be less strain on their production, which does seem to be However, there's been nothing official on that front (nor is there likely to be, as Sqorgar points out).
   
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Generally FFG updates can be found here;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/upcoming/

Though it is still vague as can be. This shows they are still printing IA stuff so it is not going anywhere. Strangely there is no mention of Legion stuff on the upcoming page, I haven't followed it too closely so don't know if their ever was.

According to the NZ distributor though the wave 2 Legion stuff is out on the 30th of June.

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Also why is the entire Imperial Assault line out of stock? Has it been discontinued in favour of Legions?


FFG has, to my knowledge, never sold Imperial Assault directly on their website.

It seems to be a USA thing.

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Also why is the entire Imperial Assault line out of stock? Has it been discontinued in favour of Legions?


FFG has, to my knowledge, never sold Imperial Assault directly on their website.

It seems to be a USA thing.


Could be, though that's likely in line with violating the North American license but perhaps not the EU or other regions; it wouldn't be a stretch to figure that Lucas/Disney doled out regional exclusive licenses and not world-wide ones so there'd be more of them. It's also worth noting that "Not Available" is different from "Out of Stock" on FFG's website. Imperial Assault is listed under the former, while things out of stock are listed as that (e.g. - the X-Wing Rebel transport at the moment).

Moving back to the actual topic, has anyone heard if the plan is really to release Veers/Snowtroopers in the next few weeks and then Leia/Fleet troopers in a following month? That seems like what would be likely to happen based on their current status (Veers on the boat, Leia at the printer), but it does strike me as not particularly healthy for the product to give one faction (of two) a leg up for a month or so. Sure, it's not that much in the big picture, but it seems like it would unnecessarily sour some people. Not sure if it's better to keep a steady-if-unbalanced-drip of content coming out or to get symmetrical releases.
   
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Given their previous statements it seems they will be releasing at least one expansion per month. FFG's site still has Veers and the snowtroopers as "on the boat" so to speak.

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 Krinsath wrote:

Moving back to the actual topic, has anyone heard if the plan is really to release Veers/Snowtroopers in the next few weeks and then Leia/Fleet troopers in a following month? That seems like what would be likely to happen based on their current status (Veers on the boat, Leia at the printer), but it does strike me as not particularly healthy for the product to give one faction (of two) a leg up for a month or so. Sure, it's not that much in the big picture, but it seems like it would unnecessarily sour some people. Not sure if it's better to keep a steady-if-unbalanced-drip of content coming out or to get symmetrical releases.


The plan is to do monthly releases and yes, it seems like that means Veers/Snowtroopers one month, Leia/Fleet the next, Barricades/Objectives after that, and Han/Scouts the month after. I'm sure we'll hear about the Imperial Han equivalent in a couple weeks as that keeps going.

Pretty much no hobby game ever gives parallel models out to its factions on the same release day. A month gap is actually pretty much the shortest I've seen and they seem to be staggering it in such a way that who's "ahead" changes. Really, it shouldn't matter after a couple rounds of releases as long as the game keeps its units relevant and doesn't follow X-Wing's path of "only the last releases matter".
   
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 ingtaer wrote:
Generally FFG updates can be found here;
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/upcoming/

Though it is still vague as can be. This shows they are still printing IA stuff so it is not going anywhere. Strangely there is no mention of Legion stuff on the upcoming page, I haven't followed it too closely so don't know if their ever was.

Not sure why you aren't seeing Legion stuff on the page, unless you are sorting by miniature games. For some reason, FFG puts it in the board game category on the upcoming page.

People have calculated the average wait time from In Development (months) -> Printing (3-8 weeks) -> On the Boat (4-6 weeks) -> Now Shipping (one week), but I'm pretty sure FFG fudges it a bit. We know FFG prints and ships entire cycles of their LCGs at the same time, but they still do a little bit of theater of putting it through this cycle on the upcoming page. Don't know what FFG's miniature production capacity is, but Legion could be the same way. It may be produced in waves, but released monthly.

Also, generally speaking, FFG announces new products (in existing lines) about 3-4 months before release. The third commander for the Imperials, if they are sticking to a monthly schedule, should be announced about a month after Han.
   
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Nah they just didn't show up, they do now.

Where have people got the idea that there will be month by month release? NZ distribution is showing Fleet troops/snow troops/Leia/Veers as all being released on the same day (30/06). Does that mean we have to wait for a single container load for all of it, I wonder.

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spanish FFG side says 27th of April for Veers and Snowtroopers and May for Leia and Fleet Troopers
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