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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 20:01:55
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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I am putting together a Night Lords list to fight against my friend's terminator heavy Dark Angels list. I can't decide if I should replace my maulerfiend with a sorcerer in terminator armour. The army list follows:
(1060 points)
Biker Lord w/ VotLW, power axe, burning brand, and sigil (160)
Bikers x6 w/ 2 meltas, combi melta, power sword, VotLW (190)
Maulerfiend w/ lashers (135)
Helldrake w/ baleflamer (170)
Helldrake w/ baleflamer (170)
Raptors x10 w/ 2 meltas, power sword, VotLW (235)
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Sorcerer w/ terminator armour, +2 mastery levels (135)
Not sure which is better.
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"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 21:08:56
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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They are both excellent units, but seems like a maulerfiend has a role in your list. I see what it does. What does the sorceror do? Where does he go? Just footslogging on his lonesome?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 21:41:30
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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Excellent point. Perhaps a bike instead of terminator?
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"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion
DR:80SGMB--I--Pw40k01#-D++++A+/fWD-R++T(T)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 21:53:00
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Bike is fine, but then you have 2 HQs and 3 characters in your bike unit. You could give him a jump pack, but depending on how you treat your raptors it might be a waste.
Terminator LORDs are ok in a big block of cultists, but they arent particularly fast. Sorcs are not good with cultists as they are not fearless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/04 22:04:31
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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I would say replace the mauler with a sorcerer, but give him a jump pack and send him with the raptors. Your list has plenty of melta and flamer for dealing with various threats, what it doesn't have is versatility or scoring potential. A sorcerer with the psychic familiar can take a number of powers and consistently pass them on one dice, which gets you the most bang for your meager warp charge buck. That gets you biomancy or sanctic demonology for the various buffs, or malefic daemonology for spawning extra troops, or telepathy for making people hate you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 03:37:41
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Fixture of Dakka
Chicago, Illinois
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Malefic is really over powered at lower points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 08:59:23
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Hellacious Havoc
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I would keep the Maulerfiend. It is one of the fastest and most reliable units in the codex. That is until someones scores an Immobilised! against it , but what are the chances eh?
I find a lone sorcerer to be not worth his points in 7th ed. He would have D6+2-3 warp charges to play with which COULD do some nasty things but depends on some lucky rolls and besides where would you field him?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 12:44:05
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Dakka Veteran
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You say your friend's list is Terminator heavy, so I would drop a Heldrake and fit in both the Sorcerer and the Maulerfiend, as they are both good units. Your list is pretty fast, so the Maulerfiend will compliment it very well and you'll have a lot of threats in his face right away.
As has been mentioned, you should put the Sorcerer on either a bike or give him a jump pack so he has an escort unit. If you want the 2+ save, give him the Daemonheart from Crimson Slaughter (although this would probably be more useful on your lord). A spell familiar is nearly mandatory. If your bikers are Nurgle, which they 'should' be, your sorcerer will get T6 if he runs with them (Majority Toughness) - just keep him unmarked so you're not forced to roll on the awful chaos charts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 12:56:28
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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In this list I would take the Maulerfiend. Sorcs are great, but you lack a reliable delivery mechanism in this specific list, not to speak of synergies. So I think you will get more from your points in the Maulerfiend.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 19:14:53
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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Always good to see some Night Lords!
Maulerfiend for sure, unless you're considering running a Raptor Star via Telepathy/Biomancy.
Looking at your list though, you say he's Termie heavy yet you're packing two Power Swords and two Baleflamers. What's up with that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 23:02:43
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Unrelenting Rubric Terminator of Tzeentch
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Keep in mind that the maulerfiend will be the only vehicle on the table until the drakes come in. It's very unlikely that it will do anything but soak fire, so unless that's what you want it for, I'd go with a jump pack biomancy sorceror.
As mentioned above, not sure why you'rre running a pair of baledrakes against deathwing.
Not a huge fan of the burning brand as it can kill you out of charge range. Fist/Claw would be much more worthwhile than BB/PA.
I'm also not seeing any troops, so either you're plaing unbound at an odd points value or you've forgotten to list your troops. Cultists or CSM?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/05 23:33:36
Subject: Re:Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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A single mauler fiend is gonna get dropped fast. as someone who likes running termies I look at that list and my first thought is that you don't have a whole lot that can hurt me. the Maulerfeind is proably the biggest threat you have on the board
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/06 12:30:11
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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Automatically Appended Next Post:
A slightly different list:
Biker Lord w/ power axe, burning brand, sigil, VoLW (160) To go with bikers.
6 Bikers w/ 2 meltas, power axe, combi-melta, VotLW (190)
Raptors w/ 2 meltas, VotLW (145)
2 Squads of Chaos Marines w/ plasma gun,combi plas, power fist, VotLW (130 each)
Helldrake w/ baleflamer
Maulerfiend w/ lashers
A little more flexibility at the cost of a little speed I think.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/09/06 12:45:09
"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion
DR:80SGMB--I--Pw40k01#-D++++A+/fWD-R++T(T)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/06 19:02:36
Subject: Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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drop the power fists IMO... thats a lot of points on a 1W model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/06 19:31:22
Subject: Re:Maulerfiend vs Terminator Sorcerer
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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if you possiably can I'd try to get eneugh points on those CSMs so you can pack em into rhinos.
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