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Okay this is my own opinion of how I would love to see 7th edition chaos codex's

4 dedicated god books that has both daemons and Chaos space marines to there respected gods
HQ anyone who has daemon type or access to a gods mark would be in there respected book
Troops would be core daemons
Elites would be the CSM devoted to the respected gods
Fast attack and Heavy support would be taken from both books must have a mark of that god

Models with stateline bonus say nurgle gets +1 toughness a unit in say the tome of nurgle would have this in its profile already and each book would have its own ally system because we all know nurgle hates tzeentch and khorne hates slaanesh.

Relics/gifts from the god they are devoted to would be more themed to there god's.
Powers would be more easy to manage like in WHFB that all powers are the same but the lore is the only difference i would say one power would be aspiring ambition if used on a daemon character they become a greater daemon if used on a CSM character they would become a daemon prince this abilty would cost 4 warp charge and if they fail they suffer perils of the warp.

A rework to the warpstorm/boon table to be just like the wheel thing from storm of magic in fantasy each book would get its own one and would get the results in its book the design of the wheel would be a picture of the star of chaos and if taking two detachments you can choose one per psyker phase but will last till the next psyker phase your turn example sake if you have the tome of nurgle you only ever get nurgle results

Punishment of (gods name here) if you fail your leadership test you get one of the following depending who you are devoted too.
Nurgle chance of lowering a stats due to decay.
Tzeentch chance of turning a model into a chaos spawn because its what tzeentch would do.
Slaanesh chance to make a unit attack his own betrayal effects even his own servants.
Khorne chance to have them skip there shooting phase and run at the closest enemy because of bloodlust making them stupid.

Nothing happens

Boon of (gods name here) if they pass there leadership test you get one of the following depending who you are devoted too.
Nurgle chance to grant FNP or gain a +1 to FNP because its nurgle
Tzeentch chance to grant the unit brotherhood of psykers that only has access to the primary power because tzeentch is the master of this sort of thing
Slaanesh any unit they charge they are immune to overwatch because slaanesh can trick the minds of the people they are charging into
Khorne Get hatred and rage to everything because khorne is always PMSing

Nothing happens

Fury of (gods name here) each enemy unit and friendly unit that is marked with a god that is hated by your god gets effected by result of 6 from this then must take a leadership test if they fail they get one of the following.

Nurgle if they fail they get -2 WS and BS stats because decay
Tzeentch if they fail they will not be able to use any modifier's to there results of a deny the witch for that unit because tzeentch dislikes those who abuse his powers
Slaanesh if they fail they get -2 I and A stats because slaanesh is tampering with there skills
Khorne if they fail the unit is marked for the skull throne any unit that charge's them gets double attacks on the charge because khorne really wants that units skulls

Nothing happens

these results to me are fluffy but some might be abused so some tweaking and balance could help here I am not a game designer after all.

Now there is a 5th book for chaos undivided because sometimes you just can't choose this would be more in line to the current Chaos space marine codex.

New units i would love to see
Ritualist they get brotherhood of psykers and a rule called sate the warp that they can sacrfice 1 ritualist to remove perils of the warp on rolling doubles other then 6 for daemonology malefic powers.

thats all i have for now ill update if new stuff pops into my head.

I think that having one book for each God would be tough - especially seeing as some units fit into all four camps. Also, someone may want to run an undivided army without being an unbound list; plus, it'd be hard to make up for some armies failings - IE, an all khorne army would suck at shooting, etc

As I did explain models with marks would be in each book but with a different profile as if you would give a model that mark like giving obliteraters mark of nurgle for T6 in the nurgle book this would just have T6.

I did also mention a 5th book that would be undivided it would be similar to the current codex for CSM but more emphasis on chosen and non dedicated models and such I am not saying remove marks completely but I would say taking a less devoted model would get less of a buff then say a devoted model getting a boon but also getting some backlash for example someone who is in touch of the warp would suffer a sort of feedback more then someone who is just tainted by the warp the reason I was thinking it would be good this way is because the problem with daemons is there shooting and with CSM is the high costing models with upgrades.

All khorne would be great bloodletters deepstriking in to distract being a cheep unit with a invunibal save wile having khorne berserker in rhinos coming up remember if a bloodletter gets into combat those berserker wont be getting overwatched and yes I have played against someone who currently does this and slaughtered my army using that method guess you could say glory to khorne lol

I digress this edition seems to be giving a lot of freedom around narrative themes and army with unbound you can make really cool looking army's and well people who collect say 1 god devoted army we feel a high % of our books are just wasted and this makes me sad :(

On a positive note each book would have its own Lord of War from each major leader model glory to chaos

Way I see it going down is that any new Chaos codex will likely have a new generic FOC that can be used for a mixed or monotheistic Chaos army +/- a few Dataslate formations for each specific Chaos god with some added rules to either boost their strengths or compensate for weaknesses. Same goes for CSM.

There's definitely some potential for making the book better.

CSM HQs should be far buffer (and more expensive to match) than their Codex Space Marines cousins, seeing as they've been around longer. Lords should share the Space Marine Captain statline plus having CC buffs for challenges. There should be a "Crusader" HQ choice or something of the like that has the statline of a Chapter Master but again, some kind of buffs for H2H. This would ENCOURAGE CSM players to seek out challenges, since that's what GW wants us to do with them.

Marks should be able to go on everything. Marked Terminators should be a thing.

The Elites troop choice should bring something special to the table if they're going to be Elites unlockable as troops. All of them should be 2A base since they're "veterans." This would make Berzerkers actually usable.

Well, i would say that the CSM codex has answer to EVERYTHING(in your metagame) If you have lots of MEQS, thousand sons all the way. Also heldrakes
IG/Tau? Plague marines laugh off antiinfantry fire, and if you can get them there, Khorne berzerkers
Horde lists? Khorne berzerkers
Noise marines would be AWESOME against covercamping armies(scouts with camocloaks behind bolstered defenses etc...)
Special weapons spam? Abaddon and loads of plasma chosen
I have noticed LOADS of arguments about how[any unit except for heldrake and plague marines] sucks, there is no way to use it etc etc..., probably because they have stumbled with 1k sons against deathwing/Draigowing/loganwing and with Khorne berzerkers vs army that shoot them from the other side of the table.... Yep, there are bad units(possessed), but CSM are really decent with certain builds against certain armies...

BUT THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY!!! :(

Black templars suck as well, and no one is forcing you to play and win on the tournaments either way, basically, if you want to go with CSM on tournament, 3 heldrakes, 9 obliterators, Typhus(with zombies)/Nurgle lord and plague marines

I would rather they keep CSM and Daemons separate. They have set them apart pretty well with daemons and CSM not being able to join each other. They are battle bros, but in lore daemons are not always with CSM, and CSM are not always with daemons.

Plus then you would have like, 6 psychic tables. 3 for daemons, 3 for CSM.
Daemons are in a good place, I would love to see each god get their own formation or force org like SW with champions of fenris, but attaching CSM to daemons is not a good solution to CSM not being that hot.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
I would rather they keep CSM and Daemons separate. They have set them apart pretty well with daemons and CSM not being able to join each other. They are battle bros, but in lore daemons are not always with CSM, and CSM are not always with daemons.

Plus then you would have like, 6 psychic tables. 3 for daemons, 3 for CSM.
Daemons are in a good place, I would love to see each god get their own formation or force org like SW with champions of fenris, but attaching CSM to daemons is not a good solution to CSM not being that hot.

You do strike a good point but models with the daemon rule can never join units that don't have it anyway so in the new books this will still apply and the 5th book would not have any daemon models the dedicated one is more for you wish to follow a god as a hole so by that the god will support you because it benefits his/her/it's plans.

I did mention regarding to the psychic powers that it would get streamline because they prey to the same god so having the same power would make sense just some powers have a different effect depending if a daemon used it or if a human used it.

 Kaligoth wrote:
Okay this is my own opinion of how I would love to see 7th edition chaos codex's

4 dedicated god books that has both daemons and Chaos space marines to there respected gods
HQ anyone who has daemon type or access to a gods mark would be in there respected book
Troops would be core daemons
Elites would be the CSM devoted to the respected gods
Fast attack and Heavy support would be taken from both books must have a mark of that god

Relics/gifts from the god they are devoted to would be more themed to there god's.
Powers would be more easy to manage like in WHFB that all powers are the same but the lore is the only difference i would say one power would be aspiring ambition if used on a daemon character they become a greater daemon if used on a CSM character they would become a daemon prince this abilty would cost 4 warp charge and if they fail they suffer perils of the warp.

A rework to the warpstorm/boon table to be just like the wheel thing from storm of magic in fantasy each book would get its own one and would get the results in its book the design of the wheel would be a picture of the star of chaos and if taking two detachments you can choose one per psyker phase but will last till the next psyker phase your turn example sake if you have the tome of nurgle you only ever get nurgle results

Punishment of (gods name here) if you fail your leadership test you get one of the following depending who you are devoted too.
Nurgle chance of lowering a stats due to decay.
Tzeentch chance of turning a model into a chaos spawn because its what tzeentch would do.
Slaanesh chance to make a unit attack his own betrayal effects even his own servants.
Khorne chance to have them skip there shooting phase and run at the closest enemy because of bloodlust making them stupid.

Nothing happens

Boon of (gods name here) if they pass there leadership test you get one of the following depending who you are devoted too.
Nurgle chance to grant FNP or gain a +1 to FNP because its nurgle
Tzeentch chance to grant the unit brotherhood of psykers that only has access to the primary power because tzeentch is the master of this sort of thing
Slaanesh any unit they charge they are immune to overwatch because slaanesh can trick the minds of the people they are charging into
Khorne Get hatred and rage to everything because khorne is always PMSing

Nothing happens

Fury of (gods name here) each enemy unit and friendly unit that is marked with a god that is hated by your god gets effected by result of 6 from this then must take a leadership test if they fail they get one of the following.

Nurgle if they fail they get -2 WS and BS stats because decay
Tzeentch if they fail they will not be able to use any modifier's to there results of a deny the witch for that unit because tzeentch dislikes those who abuse his powers
Slaanesh if they fail they get -2 I and A stats because slaanesh is tampering with there skills
Khorne if they fail the unit is marked for the skull throne any unit that charge's them gets double attacks on the charge because khorne really wants that units skulls

Nothing happens

these results to me are fluffy but some might be abused so some tweaking and balance could help here I am not a game designer after all.

Now there is a 5th book for chaos undivided because sometimes you just can't choose this would be more in line to the current Chaos space marine codex.

The CSM book could be so much better, but I really hope they do not go this way. The current book already treats half the legions and most of the renegade CSM terribly in favor of the cult troop legions where everything is marked. If they made 4 books, each with bunches of special god related bonuses, units and rules I wouldnt be left with any sort of CSM to represent my army.

Lol CSM book you say? I say lets finish the paperbacks first. Hit the tau and eldar wih some Balance. Then let's see how CSM book stacks up.

What I'd like to see is FOC chart stuff. this is something GW doesn't even need to wait for a new codex to do, they could release them in dataslates and chaos players would buy em.
This would be a great way to FINALLY add Legion tactics to the game.


For example:

Iron Warriors Seige Force:

Minimum: 1 HQ 1 Troop, 1 Heavy Support.

Allowed: 4 troops, 2 elites, 4 Heavy Support, 2 Fast Attack, 1 LOW, 1 Fortifications.

Heavy Support Units in the Iron Warriors Seige Force gain Tank Hunter.

Lords should on par with Chapter Masters.
There should be a Cheap Captain like option like the Chaos Lieutenant of Old.

Deamon Princes should have more impact on their army as a leader.

HQ's models should have 1; a free roll on the Boon table, 2; Choose one option from the boon table amonsgt a predeterminated set, like Mutations and Gifts from old.

Boon table should be reworked, there are too many results in it, one would be for Asp champs, wich would be shorter, with nearly all +1 stat and a few special rules, but no Spawn or Prince, no ID or EW.

Higher tier boons should be HQ's only.

Rework of the Dark Apotheosis, to match the Battle result( keep all his rules, gear, powers, change stateline with DP and unit type).

Delete Dark Apostle and introduce a support like character, that given the options or Paths you take will fill a role; pay option X/Path of the Mechanicus, have Warpsmith gear and rules, take Path of the Demagogue, have rules has Dark Apostle, take the Path of the Alchemist, becomes an Apothicary etc.

1-3 Elite choice that act indenpendantly and doesn't count has an elite slot.

Some kind of powers or Killing Moves for Khorne's Worshipers, special attacks that they can unleash once per turn with some kind of test, or tribute to pay...

New Transports options, new transports vehicles.

More special weapons options for certain units.

rework the Chosen to be really Veteran still unit.

Army wide rule that replace ATSKNF, either give VotLW for free or an new rule.

More Deamon Engines variants and options.

Raiding/Warband/Legion tactics, could make for 5 of the 9 Legions in primary book and expand on the rest in supplements/formation types.

New weaponry that really screams "Chaos" warp based cannons and guns, strange and horrible weapons that makes chaos weaponry really unique, and not just a copy past of old imperial equipement with only the Hades Ac and the baleflamer on 2 models...

CSm Termies that are worth it..., they got Stormshields?, we have Chaos shields and Powermauls of Doom or Doom Weapons, would be a Deamon Weapon Lite, give +D3 A +3S AP2 specialist weapon unwieldy.

Chaos shields could be give model Deamon rule but 4++, will have a synergy with stuffs like the Grimoir or the Malefic power( the one that give +1 to deamons ward save).

A True elite/FA unit from each god.

Marks on D engines.

AV 13 on Maulerfiend and Defiler.

Venerable like Dread .

New HQ models, Kharn, Arhiman Abby really needs new sculpts on par with the new Undead Legion stuffs.

maybe they should consider upping DPs power levels a bit and making them LOWs?

Daemon prince should really be a lord of war in the CSM book due to the stuff that the chaos lord/sorcerer had to achieve to get it after all the hole point of a daemon prince is to be on par with a greater daemon that are essentially the most powerful thing in the warp that is known.

 Kaligoth wrote:
Daemon prince should really be a lord of war in the CSM book due to the stuff that the chaos lord/sorcerer had to achieve to get it after all the hole point of a daemon prince is to be on par with a greater daemon that are essentially the most powerful thing in the warp that is known.

No - if any character is going to become a LoW it'll most certainly 110% be Abaddon who gets the promotion.

And Daemon Princes are most definitely *not* on the same level as a Greater Daemon. By the very nature of their mortal origins, DP's are looked down upon with scorn by the Greater Daemons & considered to be 'lesser' beings.
A Greater Daemon will routinely kick the living gak out of a Daemon Prince.


I'm hoping that Greaters are not shoehorned into LoW status either, except for the named ones such as Kairos, N'kari, Ku'gath, Skarbrand, etc...