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As most of you know, the DE Codex has been out for a while. What you may not realise is that it lacked a Lord of War. No character shifted from HQ like Orks and Space Marines, no inclusion of known super-heavies like the Revenent, no new models that are classed as LoW, nothing. Even the Realspace Raiders Detachment, lacks the LoW and Fortification slots, unlike the Space Wolves (Wolves Unleashed Detachment) and Orks (Ork Horde Detachment). I don't have the Grey Knight Codex on me but I'm led to believe Draigo is a LoW, which is still more than what Dark Eldar have.

Is this GW way of saying they realized that adding LoW to standard games was a mistake (wait, what?) and will be changing it come 8th edition?

Or simply that Dark Eldar aren't deserving of a LoW? Discussion appreciated by all

It simply means that Dark Eldar got no Lord of War. They got no psychic powers either, even though Orks, Space Wolves and Grey Knights got them.

Different Codexes, different things.

There are no deeper meanings there expect the eternally true "past GW releases are never a guide to future GW releases".

A single point doesn't make a line. Come back when there have been a few codices without lords of war, and then we'll see.

The bitter, cynical side of me says its just another sign that those responsible for the latest DE codex had a serious dis-like for DE.....

 Ailaros wrote:
A single point doesn't make a line. Come back when there have been a few codices without lords of war, and then we'll see.

Three points don't make a pattern either.

The very problem was/is that people saw the Orks/Space Wolves/Grey Knights book and (wrongly) assumed there is some sort of pattern/unspoken rule. There isn't. GW is not beholden to past releases. They are free to change things on a whim. Even if the next 3 or 4 Codexes have no LoW, or all come in a pink wrapper, it means absolutely nothing. The 5th Codex from now might still switch it up again.

GW does not do patterns. There simply are no, as the title states, "signs of things to come" in released GW codexes. Never.

Wonderwolf wrote:Three points don't make a pattern either.

Tell that to a triangle.

Wonderwolf wrote:GW is not beholden to past releases.

No, but...

Wonderwolf wrote:GW does not do patterns. There simply are no, as the title states, "signs of things to come" in released GW codexes. Never.

This is definitely not true. Codices that are released at the end of a rules edition often have indicators of what is going to show up in the next rules edition, for example, and there have been lots of little things, such as the inclusion of heavy chainswords into the rules without anyone who could use them, that indicate a direction they're going in.

What you're saying would only be true if GW wrote its rules randomly, which they don't, as evidenced by the fact that most rules editions are very similar to each other.

 Ailaros wrote:

This is definitely not true. Codices that are released at the end of a rules edition often have indicators of what is going to show up in the next rules edition, for example, and there have been lots of little things, such as the inclusion of heavy chainswords into the rules without anyone who could use them, that indicate a direction they're going in.

Heavy Chainswords were in 6th Edition too. Didn't do anything there either except stir up a lot of false Black Templar-rumours before they got rolled into the Space Marines codex. They are not an indication of anything. They are just an odd copy & paste relic.

do they even have anything that could be used to fill that slot?

not in the Titan, BanebladeTanks, Necron goodies and big Flyer packing D weapon cannons level of firepower anyway far as i know. i may be wrong but i don't think i am.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:

This is definitely not true. Codices that are released at the end of a rules edition often have indicators of what is going to show up in the next rules edition, for example, and there have been lots of little things, such as the inclusion of heavy chainswords into the rules without anyone who could use them, that indicate a direction they're going in.

Heavy Chainswords were in 6th Edition too. Didn't do anything there either except stir up a lot of false Black Templar-rumours before they got rolled into the Space Marines codex. They are not an indication of anything. They are just an odd copy & paste relic.

Same with Conjuration psyker spells were in the main book listed..Without any spells of that category.

It is a very strong sign that the next SoB codex will not include a LoW. Or a flyer. Or a new model. But we already knew that anyway.

With Vect and the Dias of Destruction gone there is nothing to fill the slot within the Codex.

Wonderwolf wrote: They are not an indication of anything.

All human knowledge is based on the idea that data indicates patterns in the real world.

People find wrong patterns all the time, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Better to apply some rules (like, say, requiring you have more than a single data point), than to deny that knowledge can exist at all and that everything is random.

Perhaps GW's decisions are, in fact, random. If you want to posit that theory, though, perhaps you could provide some data of your own, rather than simply asserting that it is true.

Wonderwolf wrote:
The very problem was/is that people saw the Orks/Space Wolves/Grey Knights book and (wrongly) assumed there is some sort of pattern/unspoken rule. There isn't. GW is not beholden to past releases. They are free to change things on a whim. Even if the next 3 or 4 Codexes have no LoW, or all come in a pink wrapper, it means absolutely nothing. The 5th Codex from now might still switch it up again.

GW does not do patterns. There simply are no, as the title states, "signs of things to come" in released GW codexes. Never.

I sincerely hope this was a troll post and my sarcasm meter just isnt functioning.

They might do a FW release of Vect or other well-known Kabal leaders at some point down the line to introduce some LoW to the army.

You realize Real Space Raiders is perhaps one of the most powerful detachments to date, right? The Dark Eldar fast attack choices are quite simply amazing, their turn 1 defense is usually shoddy but the 5+ cover save (4+ with NS) helps massively. Unless you play exclusively Maelstrom missions and you need obj.sec on all your transports, there is no downside to playing Real Space Raiders. That is better then any Lord of War choice they could give us.

And besides, since when does a Lord of War fit the Dark Eldar play style. They had three choices, re-do Vect as a Lord of War, create some sort of massive boat thing that goes against Dark Eldar fluff, or leave out a Lord of War because it didn't fit the theme. We lost Vect, and with it we lost the need for a Lord of War, because he was the only model deserving of it.

A lord of war just doesn't fit their play style or fluff to me, unless it was Vect himself.

Same goes for the Fortification btw. ...doesnt suit too well with the Raider theme when you dig in

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
It is a very strong sign that the next SoB codex will not include a LoW. Or a flyer. Or a new model. Or a new codex. But we already knew that anyway.

Fixed it for you.

They have access to 2 LoW... Knight Titan and revenent Titan. In escalation it says eldar and dark eldar. Even though it's not explicitly in the new book they can legally still take lords of war...

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:create some sort of massive boat thing that goes against Dark Eldar fluff

Actually, that could have been pretty friggin' sweet, and they could easily have made it work with fluff.

It could have been a floating haemonculous lab that spawns wracks, or a redo of the WWP, except better because it's more expensive on a lord of war.

Alas, we are superboatless.

The rules allow the Revenaunt, but the fluff most certainly does not.


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Not giving DE a LoW actually restored a little faith in GW for me. It just wouldn't be right.

just going to throw my two cents into the pot...i feel like off the bat GW thought lords of war would be fuel to the profit coffers..but it back fired as almost all the races have little LOW options that are worth a gak..and the few that have decent ones never get to use them because they are fun bane to players who don't have anything close(bane blade)...of all the pissing and moaning on read on this thread about GW i feel like they are trying to gauge what the consumers really want, and what sells...if they bust out new codex that promote crazy over powered garbage then eventually their sales will nose dive and they will adjust..i feel that people forget that this game has been going for what over 2 decades? pretty damn good for a miniatures game..its all about trial and error they don't have yearly voting booths to hear what the consumer wants so they go to research and development

 Frozocrone wrote:
Even the Realspace Raiders Detachment, lacks...Fortification slots

Pirating imperial bunkers.

Crimson Heretic wrote:i feel like off the bat GW thought lords of war would be fuel to the profit coffers..but it back fired as almost all the races have little LOW options that are worth a gak.

But they get to write the rules and make the models. If they wanted to, they could have given DE a lord of war in the same way they've given everybody else one.

If they can shoehorn a wraithknight or a riptide into a codex, or take special characters and arbitrarily call them lords of war, then they could have added something big and lord of war-ey to the DE codex.

But they didn't. Time will tell if it means anything or not.

 Ailaros wrote:

Crimson Heretic wrote:i feel like off the bat GW thought lords of war would be fuel to the profit coffers..but it back fired as almost all the races have little LOW options that are worth a gak.

But they get to write the rules and make the models. If they wanted to, they could have given DE a lord of war in the same way they've given everybody else one.

If they can shoehorn a wraithknight or a riptide into a codex, or take special characters and arbitrarily call them lords of war, then they could have added something big and lord of war-ey to the DE codex.

But they didn't. Time will tell if it means anything or not.

The way i see it, if american auto makers pay somebody to sit on yahoo answers and help disgruntled consumers who can't figure out the difference between a lug nut and a windshield wiper then GW i'm sure has moles in place on popular forums to gather research. Really the only codex i can think of with a lord of war built in is what? space puppys? I think they are trying to gradually get away from it, seeing as most of the community shys away from super heavys..and well logan and bjorn are a pretty penny to field.

Really the only codex i can think of with a lord of war built in is what? space puppys?

The new Ork codex had a really lazily implemented one - Ghazz - nothing new, nothing special, same with the new Grey Knights and Drago.

The Dark Eldar could have something cool as LOW - Knights, 40k version of the Witch Elf stuff - saw a great conversion of two of these and a Ravager for Vect's Dias. GW couldn't bothered.

The Bomber is nice though

 Mr Morden wrote:
The Bomber is nice though

But wasnt the Bomber already an entry in the old Dark Eldar codex? So you guys actually got zero new units, just like the Grey Knights.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
The Bomber is nice though

But wasnt the Bomber already an entry in the old Dark Eldar codex? So you guys actually got zero new units, just like the Grey Knights.

Yes, it was. Huh...I guess they didn't get new units then.

- No new units
- Lost some special characters
Well, at least you did not loose units…

Yeah, i think the real startling pattern here is that for the first time ever in 7 editions, GW released a codex with no new units, and then did it for the second time ever a month later with the DE release. Their revenue income must be REALLY hurting if they can't even afford to risk new models on a limb. This makes me happy. Cannot freaking wait till these guys collapse and this hobby might actually get the chance to expand under some decent new leadership.

They could have made the Voidraven kit a dual one, with the other option being a more expensive craft with enough firepower to warrant being called a LoW. Really all this would require is an alternate nose and weapon set.