Captain America 3: Civil War/Fallen Son (feat. Tony Stark)...

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**H.B.M.C.**

This is being reported pretty much everywhere, but this is the IGN version:

ROBERT DOWNEY JR. WILL REPORTEDLY BE IN CAPTAIN AMERICA 3
The move will bring about a new phase of a Marvel movies.
BY LUCY O'BRIEN

---Please see an important update to this report below.---

Robert Downey Jr. is extremely close to signing on to star as Tony Stark in Captain America 3, a move which will kick off a new phase in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

According to Variety, the actor is in "final negotiations" to return as Iron Man in the third Cap, due to hit theaters May 6, 2016.

His involvement will bring Marvel's flagship Civil War comic book storyline to the big screen, and subsequently launch the next phase in the MCU.

For those unfamiliar, The Civil War was Marvel's 2006 flagship event written by Mark Millar (of Kick-Ass fame) and drawn by Steve McNiven. It saw Cap and Iron Man divided over the Superhero Registration Act; a legislative bill forcing all vigilantes to register their identities with the US Government and act under its command. Stark is in favour of the bill, but Cap and his followers are not, and the results of their stand-off are significant.

Just recently, Marvel teased a new Civil War comic book for a mid-year 2015 release.

The intricacies of this deal were complex, explains Variety.

"Originally, Marvel wanted to hire Downey for a small role, which would have required just three weeks of work. But Downey wanted Stark to have a more substantial role in the film’s plot, which would give him more screen time and naturally a bigger payday. This angered Marvel Entertainment chief Ike Perlmutter, who ordered the screenwriters to write Iron Man out of the script entirely, according to sources with knowledge of the situation."

The publication explains that Marvel boss Kevin Feige argued for the deal, considering the Civil War storyline a new breath of life for Marvel's much loved cinematic characters that could extend over the next several years. The fallout from the events in Cap 3 will have a significant effect on Avengers 4, and also impact new characters such as Doctor Strange and Ant-Man, and their solo films.

Downey will reportedly pick up $40 million plus backend participation for Captain America 3, according to Variety's sources. The actor has recently publicly flipped back and forth over his decision to return as Stark for a fourth Iron Man.

Captain America: The Winter Soldier helmers Anthony and Joe Russo will return for Captain America 3, working off a script written by Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely.

UPDATE: Badass Digest reports that they've heard the title for Cap 3 will be either Captain America: Civil War or Captain America: Fallen Son. "I've been told that the story is Civil War, but Fallen Son has come from multiple sources as the actual title," claims the site's Devin Faraci. Fallen Son, of course, is a reference to a post-Civil War limited series. Either way, if you know your comics then Cap's fate sure seems pretty grim.

This could be interesting. It could also be disastrous. It's also a metric feth-ton of money for a guy who's name isn't the title. I'm not sure how Chris Evans will feel about starring as Captain America in a movie called Captain America that's about Captain America... yet he's essentially playing second fiddle to RDJ.

**pities2004**

It's not civil war, tired of hearing civil war. All other RUMOURS negate this one.

This also goes against the new secret wars imminent launch

Nope nope nope nope

Civil war included hundreds of heroes and villains.

Right now we have MAYBE 20?

**H.B.M.C.**

pities2004 wrote:
It's not civil war, tired of hearing civil war. All other RUMOURS negate this one.

What other rumours?

pities2004 wrote:
This also goes against the new secret wars imminent launch

Two things:

1. Secret Wars is the comics. This is the movies.
2. Nope:

**Paradigm**

Hmmm. I think I'll wait to here more about this, but right now I don't like the sound of it for these reason:

1) CW without Spidey is going to be difficult or at least require a big departure, in many ways he's at the centre of it all in the comics.

2) If this is presumably before Avengers 3, and they stick with the ending that CW should have, then I can't see that working too well. Avengers 1 spent most of the film building fractured individuals into a team, and as much as it did that well, I don't need to see it done again, which, given the split that came after CW, it would need to when, presumably, Thanos shows up.

3) CW works in the comics simply due to its scope; it is literally a war, with dozens, maybe hundreds, of superheroes and villains on each side. At this point, I don't see the MCU being 'full enough' to really split like that.

However, more Stark is always good, and I've wanted smaller crossovers for a long time. Also, the ending could pave the way for Bucky-Cap (or even FalconCap) without having to deviate too far from the comics.

**Dreadwinter**

I believe they are in talks to allow Spiderman back in to the MCU. I may be wrong on that, I swear I saw an article somewhere. I shall do some digging.

**Ahtman**

Dreadwinter wrote:
I believe they are in talks to allow Spiderman back in to the MCU. I may be wrong on that, I swear I saw an article somewhere. I shall do some digging.

I have trouble believing any of the rumors that would require Sony and Disney to come to terms. Even if ASM2 didn't perform to expectations it is to much of a cash cow for Sony Pictures to allow him out of their stable.

**Paradigm**

Well, apparently Sony offered Disney Oscorp Tower for the NY skyline in Avengers, but they were too far done with the CGI to put it in.

I'd expect Sony and Disney to make a deal far more than Fox and Disney.

**timetowaste85**

They keep talking about the actors not getting younger (which is true), and roles will have to be filled. Honestly, CA: Fallen Son would work fairly well setting someone new to be Cap. We need a Captain America. Captain America hasn't always been Steve Rogers.

**cincydooley**

timetowaste85 wrote:
They keep talking about the actors not getting younger (which is true), and roles will have to be filled. Honestly, CA: Fallen Son would work fairly well setting someone new to be Cap. We need a Captain America. Captain America hasn't always been Steve Rogers.

Could be a great time to introduce Luke Cage......

**Platuan4th**

cincydooley wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
They keep talking about the actors not getting younger (which is true), and roles will have to be filled. Honestly, CA: Fallen Son would work fairly well setting someone new to be Cap. We need a Captain America. Captain America hasn't always been Steve Rogers.

Could be a great time to introduce Luke Cage......

You mean like they're already planning to do?

**Hulksmash**

Could be exciting. I was assuming though that Evans would be Cap through Avengers 3 which would mean he won't go down in Cap 3 but we'll just have to see. They have been doing a solid job on their universe so unlike DC I'm not going to crawl all over the decisions they make.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Yeah, it doesn't make sense to have Iron Man "starring" in a movie titled "Captain America: XXXXXXXX" and IIRC, one of the previous semi-confirmed rumors was that Marvel Civil War wasn't supposed to really come up until around Avengers 3, or even later.

**cincydooley**

Platuan4th wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
They keep talking about the actors not getting younger (which is true), and roles will have to be filled. Honestly, CA: Fallen Son would work fairly well setting someone new to be Cap. We need a Captain America. Captain America hasn't always been Steve Rogers.

Could be a great time to introduce Luke Cage......

You mean like they're already planning to do?

Well lovely. I wasn't aware of this. Are they planning on doing that through an ALIAS movie? Or otherwise. This is the first I've heard.

**Paradigm**

cincydooley wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
They keep talking about the actors not getting younger (which is true), and roles will have to be filled. Honestly, CA: Fallen Son would work fairly well setting someone new to be Cap. We need a Captain America. Captain America hasn't always been Steve Rogers.

Could be a great time to introduce Luke Cage......

You mean like they're already planning to do?

Well lovely. I wasn't aware of this. Are they planning on doing that through an ALIAS movie? Or otherwise. This is the first I've heard.

Cage will be showing up either next year or 2016 alongside Daredevil, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones in a series of Netflix-only series.

**Hulksmash**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to have Iron Man "starring" in a movie titled "Captain America: XXXXXXXX" and IIRC, one of the previous semi-confirmed rumors was that Marvel Civil War wasn't supposed to really come up until around Avengers 3, or even later.

That's what I thought too. It would be an easy out for Thor (not sure about comics but him taking a sideline and "going home" during a civil war would make sense in the movie verse) and they could kill Cap so then you've dropped Evans and Hemsworth who's contracts are up and Iron Man could "retire". Finishing out the original 3 and moving onto other heroes or the same heroes with their successors.

Oh well, we'll see. Glad I've got Netflix for those series though

**Ensis Ferrae**

Hulksmash wrote:
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to have Iron Man "starring" in a movie titled "Captain America: XXXXXXXX" and IIRC, one of the previous semi-confirmed rumors was that Marvel Civil War wasn't supposed to really come up until around Avengers 3, or even later.

That's what I thought too. It would be an easy out for Thor (not sure about comics but him taking a sideline and "going home" during a civil war would make sense in the movie verse) and they could kill Cap so then you've dropped Evans and Hemsworth who's contracts are up and Iron Man could "retire". Finishing out the original 3 and moving onto other heroes or the same heroes with their successors.

Oh well, we'll see. Glad I've got Netflix for those series though

Personally, I think that if they do end up going with the CW story, they should really figure out how to include the non-CW portion of Thor's story where he commandeers control of the UN and effectively "rules Midgard"

**Chongara**

I hope this one doesn't put me to sleep like Captain 2 did.

**MWHistorian**

Chongara wrote:
I hope this one doesn't put me to sleep like Captain 2 did.

Cap 2 was possibly the best movie of the entire Marvel franchise.

That said, I think they should do a Thunderbolts movie.
Get all those C-list villains, and promote the movie like it's a new team of super heroes, but then in the movie reveal that they're actually villains. As the movie goes on, they start to actually become heroes. That and I just really want to see Songbird in a movie.

**Hulksmash**

Chongara wrote:
I hope this one doesn't put me to sleep like Captain 2 did.

Yeah, Cap 2 was one of the best movies they've done in my opinion. With Guardians actually being the best by a wide margin for me. But they've really been on a roll with the last 3 films.

**Alpharius**

I don't think there's enough to the Marvel Movie Universe to have their version of "Civil War" even make sense.

And isn't everyone in the movie universe Avengers already working for the government, and their identities ARE already known?

**Paradigm**

MWHistorian wrote:
Chongara wrote:
I hope this one doesn't put me to sleep like Captain 2 did.

Cap 2 was possibly the best movie of the entire Marvel franchise.

That said, I think they should do a Thunderbolts movie.
Get all those C-list villains, and promote the movie like it's a new team of super heroes, but then in the movie reveal that they're actually villains. As the movie goes on, they start to actually become heroes. That and I just really want to see Songbird in a movie.

The Thunderbolts would be cool, especially if they were to put Zemo in a future Cap movie and have it come off the back of that. Sony are testing the all-villains film with Sinister Six, if that goes down well we could see Marvel follow suit and promote some baddies to stars (for the love of god, just give us a Loki solo movie!).

**Ouze**

Ahtman wrote:
I have trouble believing any of the rumors that would require Sony and Disney to come to terms. Even if ASM2 didn't perform to expectations it is to much of a cash cow for Sony Pictures to allow him out of their stable.

I agree, in that they both would rather piss on each other than share in the wealth, while simultaneously wondering why they can't resolve this by someone writing a check somewhere. After all, we're talking what, like a billion dollar franchise vs what did the last Spider-Man movie bring in? If I were a studio head, making $50 million to license a character for a movie I don't have to develop, cast, and produce is probably a better and easier deal than making a $150 million box office film that takes 3 years and actually costs $100 million or so to produce and market.

**gorgon**

Obviously, it'll be a massively scaled-down version of the comics version. Both because the MCU doesn't have even a fraction of the depth of the comics universe, but because it'll have a tiny fraction of the space to tell the story.

If you go in thinking it's the comics' Civil War brought to life, you'll almost certainly be disappointed. If you go in accepting that it's a story 'inspired by' the comics, YMMV.

FWIW, I liked Cap 2 and thought it was among the very best of the MCU films. Then again, I don't think it was the "complex political thriller" that they touted it to be. It was still a by-the-book popcorn film, but it was a good one.

**Platuan4th**

Alpharius wrote:
And isn't everyone in the movie universe Avengers already working for the government, and their identities ARE already known?

Kind of? Half the team worked for the government, but I don't think Cap, Widow, or Hawkeye are anymore due to that whole ~~Alpha Legion~~ Hydra thing.

That said, the biggest issue for me is who would be the pro-Registration "villain"(assuming Marvel went that way with it)? None of the movie-verse versions would really fit the role Tony did in the comics. Cap would have fit(though with a toning down of the "this is the obviously bad side guys!"), but after Cap2, I'm not so sure anymore.

The movies have enough Ultimate-verse mixed in that I don't think that Civil War is really a viable story line without Avengers 2 and Phase 3 causing a major shift in personalities for some characters.

**Chongara**

Hulksmash wrote:
Chongara wrote:
I hope this one doesn't put me to sleep like Captain 2 did.

Yeah, Cap 2 was one of the best movies they've done in my opinion. With Guardians actually being the best by a wide margin for me. But they've really been on a roll with the last 3 films.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I really almost nodded off during it, despite all the explosions. It was too downbeat and trying way too hard to be topical *Jazz Hands*. It doesn't help it focused on all the characters from the franchise I find the most tedious (Particularly Black Widow and Nick Fury), but without the fun of the WWII setting and the absurdity that was the double-nazis.

I did like both GoG and Thor 2 though. Cap 2 has really been the only "Miss" among the marvel movies for me.

**squidhills**

The plot can't be Civil War, at least not the Civil War from the comics, which wasn't all that great to begin with. CW hinges on superhero registration, and when 90% of your existing superheroes are registered with/working for the Federal government, it makes the argument kinda pointless. I imagine it would go something like this:

Captain America: "Forcing superheroes to register and have their identities on file is a violation of our rights!"

Iron Man: "Steve, everyone already knows who you are. There's a display at the Smithsonian and everything."

Cap: "What about the others? They have a right to privacy!"

Iron Man: "You mean Natasha, the former Soviet spy who now works for the government, or do you mean Hawkeye, the spy who also works for the governemt?"

Cap: "What about the angry psychologist?"

IM: "He's already on file. The government was tracking him to make sure he didn't flatten any cities. And he's on the payroll now, too."

Cap: "Okay, the crazy doctor who thinks he's a god. What about him? Surely he has a right to fight crime without risking the lives of his friends and family?"

IM: "Well, his family and friends all live on another planet. Since we haven't invented space travel yet, I don't think they are in any danger. And he's dating Natalie Portman, which we knew about since his first movie, so that isn't a secret either."

Cap: "Ok, what about those vigilanties from that school for weird kids?"

IM: "We're not allowed to talk about them. Or the reporter with the spider fixation."

Cap: "i was pretty sure that there was *someone* who would be adversely affected by the registration initiative."

IM: "Nope. Nobody at all will be affected, since everyone and their secret identities, if they even have one, is on file with the government already."

Cap: "Tony... if we're all already on file... why do we even have the registration intitiative?"

IM: "I... have no idea. I guess it seemed like a good idea when I was drunk."

**Platuan4th**

squidhills wrote:
The plot can't be Civil War, at least not the Civil War from the comics, which wasn't all that great to begin with. CW hinges on superhero registration, and when 90% of your existing superheroes are registered with/working for the Federal government, it makes the argument kinda pointless.

Iron Man 2 is also pretty clear on Tony's stance regarding forcing heroes to work for/hand everything over to the government.

**Ahtman**

Platuan4th wrote:
Iron Man 2 is also pretty clear on Tony's stance regarding forcing heroes to work for/hand everything over to the government.

Though I generally agree with you that it would be a bad idea (not that that would stop them) a school full of kids hasn't blown up yet to change his mind. Cap also started on the Pro side until they tasked him to bring people in by force which he disagreed with and they sent a hit squad to get him, which sort of made him change sides.

Eventually Marvel is going to completely muck it up and getting rid of all the actors/heroes everyone knows and loves could be that time.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Well, since it's the MCU, I'm sure that they'll figure out something to create a superhero schism over... Perhaps someone wants to restart SHIELD, and Stark/Fury could be all "YAAAY!!!" and Cap's like, "Whoa.. remember what happened last time?? GET OFF MY LAWN!!"

**H.B.M.C.**

SHIELD still exists. Coulson is the director.

Alpharius wrote:
I don't think there's enough to the Marvel Movie Universe to have their version of "Civil War" even make sense.

And isn't everyone in the movie universe Avengers already working for the government, and their identities ARE already known?

The AMC movie guys talked about this for their entire show today, and one thing they discussed was the secret identity (or lack thereof) aspect of it. They think, and it makes sense, that any "super human registration act" plot line would focus more on the "Now you work for us as a police force" aspect of it rather than the "take off your mask" side of things.