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Who Do You Think Is The Best Chaos God Based On Fluff Only?

*clears throat* describe "best" and if you answer "bestest" i will run into a wall.

In a moral sense, Khorne. His worship can be considered entirely selfless. Yes, murder and skull-taking are bad, but no worse than sodomising, rape and torture for pleasure from the Slaaneshis, mutation from the TZeentchians and death-by-Zombie/Zombie Plague of the Nurglites.

Khorne's killing is all done entirely for another being (Khorne himself). When a Beserker takes your head, he's not doing it for any sick pleasure or enjoyment on his own behalf, but all for the God he worships. That's opposed to Slaanesh worships who will do so much more for their own sick enjoyment. Or Tzeentch who will have you killed for nothing more than furthering your own aims. Or Nurgle, because he has some strange idea of what love is and wants to test his latest concoction of Swine Flu or Ebola on you.

Tzeentch seems like the most "pleasant". You'll go crazy, sure, but what chaos worshipper doesn't go crazy? Khorne would probably be runner up. Sure, you probably die a violent death, but that's really the end of it.

Nurgle and Slaanesh seem a lot more nightmarish. It's hard to decide what's worse between becoming a horrible diseased zombie who can't die and suffers for all eternity, vs being tortureraped by drug junkies for all eternity.

What does best mean?

Moral-wise, I'd say Nurgle. The only god that actually cares about his followers. He sees them as his children.
Sure, you turn into a bloated sack of puss, but you are immune to pain it brings and you feel great.

The strongest Chaos god is undoubtly Khorne. He feeds on violence which is plentyful in Milky Way.

I'm gonna reserve my vote until the question is refined.

And whats Malal?

 Inca wrote:
I'm gonna reserve my vote until the question is refined.

And whats Malal?

Retconned.

Stop trying to morally justify the Gods, This wasn't the question at hand.

Khonsu wrote:
Stop trying to morally justify the Gods, This wasn't the question at hand.

Best has different meanings, including morally speaking. But in terms of straight power its Khorne. Thread closed.

 Inca wrote:
I'm gonna reserve my vote until the question is refined.

And whats Malal?

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Malal

he was sort of reincarnated as Malice (dumb name, I know): http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Malice_%28Chaos_God%29

Has a following known as the Sons of Malice: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_Malice

Is he accepted as cannon?

Nurgle. He will have the last laugh as the universe itself will decay around him. And his daemons are the scariest to me. Second would be Slaanesh because of ''surprise sex''.

 Inca wrote:
Is he accepted as cannon?

Yes, Malice is.

Nurgle is the strongest. Well, he can be. Most Gods don't fluctuate in power really, Khorne will always be powerful in his own right but his armies grow and shrink, Tzeentch's power is inherently random and Slaanesh is the weakest. But Nurgle's power is actively effected by what is going on in the Universe, in times of famine and pestilence (E.G All the time?) he can grow into being by far the strongest Chaos God. Just like the current End Times in fantasy, during these times Nurgle stomps the other Gods into the floor.

1) Malal isn't canon. He not only no longer exists, GW lacks the rights to even produce anything related to him as they no longer have the copyright. As for Malice, Malice is probably not even a Chaos God.

2) Slaanesh, on an individual level. While your humanity is abolished, Slaanesh enables you to actually enjoy life in the forty-first millennium as life becomes and endless euphoric high and pain simply adds to the pleasure. And when you inevitably die, it's possible your soul will be raped for eternity- only you can't rape a Slaaneshi cultist who consents to everything.

Plus wargear wise, Slaanesh Cult Troops are absolutely terrifying. They're the fewest in number, but would probably curbstomp an equal number of any other Cult Troop except possibly Rubric Marines. They're armed with flamers that have infinite ammo and never have to reload, or their Champions can take a sonic weapon that tears apart tanks like they're tin cans.

And Lucius is probably the most lethal Chaos Champion after Abaddon.

 Deadshot wrote:

Khonsu wrote:
Stop trying to morally justify the Gods, This wasn't the question at hand.

Best has different meanings, including morally speaking. But in terms of straight power its Khorne. Thread closed.

Tzeentch if he ever remakes his staff.

Interesting, I never considered the possibility that Malice might not be a chaos god. Possibly some other resident of the Warp possibly ticked off at the big 4 hogging up so much room or something? Probably still a "god" of some sort, just don't see him being a daemon or daemon prince of the big 4.

Unless something came out flatly stating that Be'lakor is Malice. Lol

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Nurgle is the strongest. Well, he can be. Most Gods don't fluctuate in power really, Khorne will always be powerful in his own right but his armies grow and shrink, Tzeentch's power is inherently random and Slaanesh is the weakest. But Nurgle's power is actively effected by what is going on in the Universe, in times of famine and pestilence (E.G All the time?) he can grow into being by far the strongest Chaos God. Just like the current End Times in fantasy, during these times Nurgle stomps the other Gods into the floor.

That is all well and good, but you're forgetting one simple fact that makes Warhammer and Warhammer 40, 000 versions, the reason why Khorne will always be the most powerful...






THERE IS ONLY WAR!

 Deadshot wrote:


That is all well and good, but you're forgetting one simple fact that makes Warhammer and Warhammer 40, 000 versions, the reason why Khorne will always be the most powerful...

Because Tzeentch wants him to be?

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


That is all well and good, but you're forgetting one simple fact that makes Warhammer and Warhammer 40, 000 versions, the reason why Khorne will always be the most powerful...

Because Tzeentch wants him to be?

No, because very obviously Tzeentch doesn't want him to be. Tzeentch, God of Ambition, wants someone else ahead of him? No. The reason quite literally is that everything in 40k is an act of War. Everything the Imperium does is to fund a war effort. Everything Necrons, Eldar, Tau, Imperium, Tyranids do, is war. Even the Orks fuel war by fighting other species. The other Gods' worship on large scale is war. Tzeentch sending in TSons to reclaim a library is war. Nurgle unleash a plague brings war. Slaanesh Marines torturing prisoners (or war) is an act of war. Everything in 40k is war in some form, and there is more than most universes' fair share of bloodshed, violence and rage to make Khorne more powerful than any of the other 3.

 King Pariah wrote:
Interesting, I never considered the possibility that Malice might not be a chaos god. Possibly some other resident of the Warp possibly ticked off at the big 4 hogging up so much room or something? Probably still a "god" of some sort, just don't see him being a daemon or daemon prince of the big 4.

Unless something came out flatly stating that Be'lakor is Malice. Lol

All we know about Malice is that Malice is the Daemon Patron of the Sons of Malice, and as of M41 Malice now has a physical avatar that will be used to reclaim the Sons of Malice homeworld. Mind you, the Blood Gorgons also have a Daemon Patron as well, and he certainly isn't a Chaos God.

But the Warp is host to an infinite amount of daemons. Both aligned and unaligned.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


That is all well and good, but you're forgetting one simple fact that makes Warhammer and Warhammer 40, 000 versions, the reason why Khorne will always be the most powerful...

Because Tzeentch wants him to be?

No, because very obviously Tzeentch doesn't want him to be. Tzeentch, God of Ambition, wants someone else ahead of him? No. The reason quite literally is that everything in 40k is an act of War. Everything the Imperium does is to fund a war effort. Everything Necrons, Eldar, Tau, Imperium, Tyranids do, is war. Even the Orks fuel war by fighting other species. The other Gods' worship on large scale is war. Tzeentch sending in TSons to reclaim a library is war. Nurgle unleash a plague brings war. Slaanesh Marines torturing prisoners (or war) is an act of war. Everything in 40k is war in some form, and there is more than most universes' fair share of bloodshed, violence and rage to make Khorne more powerful than any of the other 3.

OK, you took that far more seriously than it was intended to be, but OK.

You could make the same argument about ambition (since you're casting Tzeentch in that role). Everything the citizens of the Imperium does is out of ambition - ambition to get more powerful, ambition to expand the rule of humanity, ambition to survive - and the same can be said about the other factions. Every battle plan that is revised upon contact with the enemy is under Tzeentch as The Schemer, every kill is a Change from 'live' to 'dead', and so on and so forth. The 'Khorne is strongest because war' argument is really kind of flimsy, and the Tzeentch wants to be the most powerful argument is refuted in his own fluff - he broke his own power when he was the strongest, after all, so that he was at the same level as the other four. His schemes conflict with each other, so he always wins - but he also always loses.

The ''War is eternal so Khorne is the strongest'' doesn't hold up. War causes lots of stuff that fits the other chaos gods. War isn't just made of the battlefield with two armies fighting each other.

Slaanesh

 Wyzilla wrote:


2) Slaanesh, on an individual level. While your humanity is abolished, Slaanesh enables you to actually enjoy life in the forty-first millennium as life becomes and endless euphoric high and pain simply adds to the pleasure. And when you inevitably die, it's possible your soul will be raped for eternity- only you can't rape a Slaaneshi cultist who consents to everything.

If having your very soul corroded so that even the greatest experience you can enjoy leaves you feeling empty and hollow, yearning to feel something is living then yeah, go Slaanesh! Slaanesh is a cruel and jealous master.

But Slaanesh is my favourite God.

 Furyou Miko wrote:


OK, you took that far more seriously than it was intended to be, but OK.

Don't mess with da gods! It's serious business.

I thought that there was fluff that said that Slaaanessh defeted Khorn, but I could be wrong.

That being said I would prefer slaaannesh, I wouldnt mind getting my freak-on for an eternity.

Malice, just to be a hipster. If i ever do a renegade/chaos force, it would be in his name. Feth competitive, i like the fluff.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!

I cannot believe this question was asked

 Mojo1jojo wrote:
I thought that there was fluff that said that Slaaanessh defeted Khorn, but I could be wrong.

Other way around. When Tzeentch tricked Slaanesh into fighting Khorne which lead to the Masque debacle, the fluff said it was a fight that Slaanesh had no chance of winning.

Khorne is generally the "mightiest" of the Chaos gods. It even says so on the website for some of his products.

However, when the gods ally, it's typically Tzeentch leading them and pulling the strings. So if you classify "best" as in "the one controlling the others", that would be Tzeentch. Tzeentch's fluff also states that of the gods, he represents chaos in his purest form. Fans also assume that his sacred number is the highest because he's the most powerful of the gods, yet Khorne is explicitly stated to be the mightiest, so presumably Tzeentch is the highest number (9) because, again, he's the actual boss regardless of Khorne's strength.

Though there was one time when Tzeentch was the most powerful hands down, but then the other three teamed up on him and made him break his magic staff (the Blue Scribes fluff)

Nurgle's power explicitly waxes and wanes and, IIRC, explicitly states he "matches Khorne when Nurgle's power is peaking". Again, Khorne is the mightiest, but SOMETIMES Nurgle equals him.

Slaanesh is the weakest (at least in WH40k). This is also explicitly stated but "Slaanesh's popularity (and thus, strength) is growing" or something like that. Again, fans believe that this is why Slaanesh has the lowest number, but that's just fan interpretation of the number far as I know.

(the numbers if you didn't know them are 6 for Slaanesh, 7 for Nurgle, 8 for Khorne, and 9 for Tzeentch)


Currently in Fantasy Nurgle is actually the strongest. That's because it's "the End times", and in times when things are ending, Despair and Decay are the strongest forces (that said, after Karl friggin' ascended as a LITERAL GOD AMONG MEN, I wouldn't be too surprised if Tzeentch became top dog from the sheer amount of HOPE that comes from the "HOLY CRAP OUR GOD IS AMONG US WE MIGHT ACTUALLY PULL THROUGH THIS" factor)