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For those of you who don't follow Fantasy it advanced the storyline, retconed the last apocalyptic event (which was awful honestly), and made Archaon (Abbadon's counterpart) into a complete badass. Many established characters were killed, other famous and powerful villains came back from the dead etc. It's the end of the world done right basically.
Now do you want a similar thing to happen in 40k, by retconing the 13th Black Crusade and do it right this time? I know the whole ''Do you want the story to continue'' threads have been done to death, but now Fantasy has done it in a big way, which makes me wonder if they tested waters in case they want to do it for 40k.

Yeah Chaos could do with a boost so why not?
Abbadon could make it to Earth a couple of Primarchs could come back and the Emperor could die. Sounds like fun.

I'm just fine with nothing happening in 40K.

It's the way it's always been, and the way it always should be.

Way too many ways for GW to screw the pooch with a timeline advancement.

Be careful what you wish for.

Aye, 'sides, who's to say Abaddon won't get his ass handed to him, and the End Times of 40k is actually the Imperium beating back its various foes.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Aye, 'sides, who's to say Abaddon won't get his ass handed to him, and the End Times of 40k is actually the Imperium beating back its various foes.

If it's anything like the WHF version, it actually means lots of special characters on the Imperium and Eldar side would get whacked, not the other way round.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Aye, 'sides, who's to say Abaddon won't get his ass handed to him, and the End Times of 40k is actually the Imperium beating back its various foes.

If it's anything like the WHF version, it actually means lots of special characters on the Imperium and Eldar side would get whacked, not the other way round.

But old characters get to return. Such as both traitor and loyalist primarchs.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Aye, 'sides, who's to say Abaddon won't get his ass handed to him, and the End Times of 40k is actually the Imperium beating back its various foes.

If it's anything like the WHF version, it actually means lots of special characters on the Imperium and Eldar side would get whacked, not the other way round.

I know, I am saying what if they did it the other way around, for a change, not that it'll ever happen, but hey.

No real need for it to "advance" which ultimately would just translate to "Here's a bunch more new books and models you need to buy."

Anyway once you open the floodgates of storyline advancement, you create pressure to do it again and again with increasing frequency, like what happened in the Battletech universe: so many changes to the story and the game itself, what resulted hardly felt the same as what it was. 3025 Era forever!!!!

The Emp wouldn't have to die... his body could finally give up the ghost, freeing him up to ascend and become a "Holy/Sanctic God" and form a Pantheon with perhaps some Eldar aspects and set themselves up as a direct counter to Chaos.. With Primarchs filling in as the "Mortarchs/Nurglearchs" equivalent...

Do it!

Everyone buys new characters and new rule books/codex/supplements so GW get money and we get an advanced storyline were hopefully the emperor dies.... everybody wins, except the emperor...

And people complain as primarchs are over powered killers who can shread infriantry and tanks while tanking hits that can cripple a landraider.

 Coldstream wrote:
No real need for it to "advance" which ultimately would just translate to "Here's a bunch more new books and models you need to buy."

Anyway once you open the floodgates of storyline advancement, you create pressure to do it again and again with increasing frequency, like what happened in the Battletech universe: so many changes to the story and the game itself, what resulted hardly felt the same as what it was. 3025 Era forever!!!!

I walked away from battletech because of that. the writers stopped providing us a setting and started trying to tell us stories. (it'd be better mind you if I didn;t have the impression I knew their source material better then they did. but I'll not drag a FCCW rant onto Dakka dakka)

that said I'd not be opposed to SOME plot advancement. ultimatly though you can't lose out on setting for constant stories

Yes, if they get A-D-B to do it

Well the Eldar would probably be wiped out, so everyone could stop whinging about Wave Serpents for 5 minutes

 Thunderjaw wrote:
The Emp wouldn't have to die... his body could finally give up the ghost, freeing him up to ascend and become a "Holy/Sanctic God" and form a Pantheon with perhaps some Eldar aspects and set themselves up as a direct counter to Chaos.. With Primarchs filling in as the "Mortarchs/Nurglearchs" equivalent...

Or, even better, the carriongod's soul gets promptly swallowed by the dark gods while nothing else happens except of yet another conspiracy. The Imperium continues to slowly crumble because a million worlds and their giant industrial capacity won't fall quickly, the astronomicon continues to broadcast just as it did before the carriongod took his place on the magical toilet seat (perhaps they now use disposable alpha psykers to focus it, which would give a nice background for ever more desperate measures to aquire new "fuel") while life continues as usual for the average imperial citizen.
This way we can all keep the bleak, fascist hellhole we all came love and enjoy without turning the setting into yet another generic fight of good vs. evil.

Abso-fething-lutely not. Especially if there are returning loyalist Primarchs involved. I have no idea why so many people want to ruin 40K and turn it into 30K. There is already FW's HH, go play that if you want Primarchs in your games.

GW has already ruined my favourite FB faction (the Empire) by introducing stupid demi-god Emperor, I really do not need that in 40K.

Is like it if they un retconed the fall of Cadia but I don't want to see End Times for 40k.

Absolutely! Having it all stop before a specific date was a terrible idea, Battle-tech has a good storyline (cept one..specific instance) that does pretty well, we could have new SC's and changes to old ones as well.

I vote yes, because it is obvious that 40k needs an "Apocalyptic" setup soon. Look at the box covers, for instance, it suggests a darker, murkier theme. Look at the codexes, the front covers are grimer. No more Smurf Marines!

I think it'd be pretty neat if they held one campaign a year and the results of each campaign pushed the storyline one year further. That way we'd have progression in the storyline, but it would be so incremental that the overall setting wouldn't change much.

And I don't believe that GW will be around long enough to see it through to the end

 King Pariah wrote:
I think it'd be pretty neat if they held one campaign a year and the results of each campaign pushed the storyline one year further. That way we'd have progression in the storyline, but it would be so incremental that the overall setting wouldn't change much.

And I don't believe that GW will be around long enough to see it through to the end

I reallly don't want that, they've proven that they'll skew results, ignore results, and outright make it so that even if the results count, they'll win a "Moral Victory" or some sort.

Well, it was also proven that players will game the system to skew results, so you can't really just fault GM, lol.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Battle-tech has a good storyline (cept one..specific instance) .

Only if you have a thing for House Liao.

The problem with 40k advancing is The Black Crusade, GW have put too much emphasis on how much taking Cadia will effect the Imperiium. That all needs to be rectoned or Abbadon is going to have to lose as they can't have the faction that makes the most money as the underdogs.

Having Abbadon lose again would be a joke btw.

PastelAvenger wrote:
Having Abbadon lose again would be a joke btw.

Or...

Perhaps Chaos is the parable for those who grasp at ultimate power, and the reason they lose continually in the fluff is because they're supposed to. Chaos gains nothing from Abaddon's victory. Only Abaddon does.

The forces of Chaos have continually lost because they don't have the unity and sense of purpose the Imperium does. They fight out of bitterness and spite, and their victories are short-lived and meaningless.


Look at what the Traitors gained. A eternal life of torment and madness. Lorgar writes a book nobody reads. Perturabo defends a planet nobody attacks. Angron is locked in a continual loop of attack and banishment, meaning he spends 95-98% of his existence confined to the Warp instead of fighting like he wants to. Fulgrim is a lizard.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

PastelAvenger wrote:
Having Abbadon lose again would be a joke btw.

Or...

Perhaps Chaos is the parable for those who grasp at ultimate power, and the reason they lose continually in the fluff is because they're supposed to. Chaos gains nothing from Abaddon's victory. Only Abaddon does.

The forces of Chaos have continually lost because they don't have the unity and sense of purpose the Imperium does. They fight out of bitterness and spite, and their victories are short-lived and meaningless.


Look at what the Traitors gained. A eternal life of torment and madness. Lorgar writes a book nobody reads. Perturabo defends a planet nobody attacks. Angron is locked in a continual loop of attack and banishment, meaning he spends 95-98% of his existence confined to the Warp instead of fighting like he wants to. Fulgrim is a lizard.

That's pretty good, Never thought of it that way.

The problem GW has had with the big campaigns they have done in the past, ala 3rd Armageddon, and 13th black crusade is they have tried to wrap them up in the space of a summer. These conflicts would take YEARS to complete... So, why didn't GW take years to complete the campaign, every summer the war zone get's re-opened, new sides and formations are made to keep it interesting, a couple of new supplements total for some armies to keep it fresh but give the players a regular focus and campaign to partake in.

The difference is, they then don't have to BS there way through a result the story line wouldn't like, as in the first summer campaign for example would just be about invading the outer worlds or just landing on cadia etc etc etc.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I'm just fine with nothing happening in 40K.

It's the way it's always been, and the way it always should be.

Way too many ways for GW to screw the pooch with a timeline advancement.

Be careful what you wish for.

My thoughts it exactly. This would be a bad idea. Besides, Abaddon making it to Terra means he destroyed Cadia. That first step alone is gonna make for a lot of pissed off AM players.

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I'm just fine with nothing happening in 40K.

It's the way it's always been, and the way it always should be.

Way too many ways for GW to screw the pooch with a timeline advancement.

Be careful what you wish for.

My thoughts it exactly. This would be a bad idea. Besides, Abaddon making it to Terra means he destroyed Cadia. That first step alone is gonna make for a lot of pissed off AM players.

Because every AM player is a Cadian player.

 Coldstream wrote:
No real need for it to "advance" which ultimately would just translate to "Here's a bunch more new books and models you need to buy."

That is going to happen regardless. I'd feel a lot better about buying 'Codex Space Marines' for the 15th time if they actually changed something significant, instead of just retelling the same tired fluff that I read 20 years ago.

I'm all for this! End times, kill the emperor, blow the lid off the lost legions, bring back squats!