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Well.

Apparently 'yall are psychic, because GW might be making an End of Times for 40k with McNeil (F***) writing it.

I think it would be cool if they had an non-Imperial sector for us to diddle around with as a special campaign series. It would give them a reason to release Xenos ruins.

 Wyzilla wrote:
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Well.

Apparently 'yall are psychic, because GW might be making an End of Times for 40k with McNeil (F***) writing it.

total and utter crap, don't believe it for a second, guilliman coming back, mcniel writing it, sounds like troll bait to me

 Wyzilla wrote:
http://nblo.gs/11OrFx

Well.

Apparently 'yall are psychic, because GW might be making an End of Times for 40k with McNeil (F***) writing it.

This is interesting to me because it cites a recent Weekender. I was in Nottingham in July and the "sages on the stage" explicitly stated that there were "no plans to carry the storyline forward." Specific references were made to resolving key storylines, like the DA catching Cypher, the BA solving their Flaw, etc.

BUT that doesn't discount this possibility. Again, as I've pointed out, it is in the recent DA fluff that they revealed that the Lion was "deep in the Rock" waiting for some End Times event to rouse him. Bringing back some Primarchs does not necessarily mean that these (above) storylines or other equivalents would need to be resolved, but it would allow for a fleshing out of some of these bits of fluff that are very exciting to me personally.

Just imagine the possibilities of Daemon Prince Primarch models! Not to mention the return of the "non dead" Loyalist Primarchs, no few of them who have clearly been "set up" in the fluff with a possibility to return.

Guilliman: in Stasis
The Lion: Sleeping in the Rock, waiting to be needed
Russ: Off gallivanting around in the Eye? But prophesied to return
Corax: Somewhere out there?
The Khan: Not dead...somewhere in DE custody?
Vulkan: Possibly "not dead"...in Necron custody?

So...I think they've been setting it up in the fluff.

Also, Rogal Dorn is probably alive as well. The 6th edition retcons Rogal's skeleton to just being a hand owned by the Imperial Fists Chapter. Dorn's just MIA.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Sanguinor turned out to be Sanguinius or some reincarnation of him.

Graham McNeill is not, as far as I am aware, still working for the design team, he's a novel writer. There's also nothing on his blog about it.

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
http://nblo.gs/11OrFx

Well.

Apparently 'yall are psychic, because GW might be making an End of Times for 40k with McNeil (F***) writing it.

This is interesting to me because it cites a recent Weekender. I was in Nottingham in July and the "sages on the stage" explicitly stated that there were "no plans to carry the storyline forward." Specific references were made to resolving key storylines, like the DA catching Cypher, the BA solving their Flaw, etc.

BUT that doesn't discount this possibility. Again, as I've pointed out, it is in the recent DA fluff that they revealed that the Lion was "deep in the Rock" waiting for some End Times event to rouse him.

That is not recent fluff. The Lion has been known to be deep in the Rock by readers since 2nd edition, as it was revealed in the Angels of Death Codex. However it was written from an out of universe omniscient viewpoint, and it even states that no one save possibly the Emperor knows the Lion is there, and the Emperor is not communicating.

All I'm saying is that it's current (perhaps recent was not the best word). There's a lot from 2nd edition (like the Dorn factoid above) that's been ret-conned. In any case, I think they are clearly laying the seeds...whether they do this soon or not is not clear but I think the possibility has to be being considered.

Edit:

Not a direct answer, but more than good enough:

http://graham-mcneill.com/#!/end-times-not-coming/

Ah well...
I personally believe that this would have made a perfect end of times scenario, with the Imperium attampting to construct this and several of the Primarchs returning.
Maybe Malcador himself could reincarnate and fix the Adeptus Terra, single-handedly doing more good for the Imperium as a whole since the Great Crusade

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_ship_moves

Wait, so people are voting FOR more retconning, more characters being removed from the game, all Eldar (Dark, Craft, etc), imperium being shoved into one book, chaos being condensed, etc?!

That'd be what happened in Warhammer... I can't see the end result being popular at all.

 Lobukia wrote:
Wait, so people are voting FOR more retconning, more characters being removed from the game, all Eldar (Dark, Craft, etc), imperium being shoved into one book, chaos being condensed, etc?!

That'd be what happened in Warhammer... I can't see the end result being popular at all.

I hate to be the one to voice this, though I don't think retconning is always a bad thing. Plus they wouldn't have to Retcon if they are moving forward.
If it was like end times fantasy (which is different as they didn't have an allies system like 40k) we would see new formations of for example Eldar and Dark Eldar, not them being condensed in to one book.
Killing old characters, but raising new heroes is a great to way to breath fresh air in to a series. Especially when people like dead Tycho are still fieldable.

About time they advanced the story

Advancing the story, even marginally would allow for new characters and equipment.

I don't see why they could just do a "trousers of time" thing. Just a story-line based on a possible outcome. Two universes, split at a single point.

Now a campaign system that let you play out the last epic clashes of the rebirth/destruction of the Imperium... I'd get behind that

Well, there's a difference to making an "End Times" of 40K, and smiply making a similar campaign for 40K.

When people talk against an End Time for the 40K universe, they assume that things and people are supposed to die and be removed, and sure, if the fluff goes forward, that'll happen, becuase this is a motherzoggingly dangerous galaxy, and most famous characters are in military in some ways or other - BUT. There's no reason to throw the galaxy all the way into the prophecied time with a dying Imperium and just kill things off, as there's no reason to flat out undo what we have. That would make no sense. It would make sense, however, to show us what the "brink" look like in this universe. I know we're actually at the brink of the universe right now, but that's where we've been for a good 20 years now, so it doesn't seem like it anymore.

We still hear about the powers of the galaxy not being at their fullest. The Imperium are actually the only ones who are at full capacity at this time, with pretty much every other faction being mentioned to be "powering up" for the great fight of all existance, which just goes to show how unbelievably screwed the Imperium are, and how much of a popped zit they are gonna be when the others get moving.The Chaos Marines have the power, but are too dispersed to be a true fright, which Abbadon is trying to undo. The Eldar aren't really powerful at all, but are trying to fight their own arrogance so they might actually work together. Tau actually powered down recently, but they have the power - The only thing they need are an incencive to go into it with all their strength. The Necrons are still trying to wake themselves up, which sound bad when you aren't remembering that none of them like the others as leaders. The Tyranids are only just going into the galaxy and are stopped every time, because they are nothing but tendrils... See what I mean?

I don't just want people to die and the races to go away, that's what Fantasy does, and it works for them, which is properbly because their players are a bit more mature, but whatever: I do want the factions to advance a bit, however - Maybe Abbadon taking Cadia and moving his Black Crusade towards (but not all the way to) Terra, some really major Tyranids forces arriving, Tau realising what the feth is going in in the galaxy and gearing up to save it (for themselves, of course), Necrons doing something, that sorta stuff. Why do I want it? because it forces the factions and characters within them to evolve and learn. The Imperium is still racistic, fascistic and nationalistic, but when all hell is being roused around you and they all want a bite of you, can you really afford to keep up all the mindless rivalries you have? If someone, like the Eldar or Tau comes along to save you, are you gonna reject them, even though it means your destruction?

In fact, what an End Time could do isn't just destruction and change for the sake of those two things - It's the opportunity for characters and factions developing. Right now there's an excess of characters in the universe who I can have no relation to, because they never did anything of mention - The biggest achievement available is killing an Avatar, as they are a sort of HQ, who doesn't need to survive to allow the faction to survive. If the characters in the game are supposed to make me want to play them, they gotta have to do something of note, like having a rivalry with another character, having killed another or simply being important to the fluff, and an End Time can do. Examples:

Abbadon imprisons, or maybe outright kills Creed and take Cadia with the largest Chaos force assembled since the Heresy - What will the Chaos Gods now do with Abbadon? How does the world react? What does Abbadon become, now that he is the first and only Warmaster to actually threat the Imperium since Horus? Who are to stop him, and will that "who" ever be released from the eternal torment of the Warp he's in now? (That was my subjective opinion on the matter, if you didn't notice.)
Tyranids retake a weakened Ultramar, and the Swarmlord manages to kill Calgar and the Ultramarines chapter with succesors are left ruined and on the retreat, with a severely humbled Sicarus being the defacto leader of the tattered bunch - Can he grow with the job? And what will the Ultramarines do now that their empire is lost and their chapter broken? How does that affect such an honourable chapter?
Aun'va is assassinated, and Shadowsun grabs the opportunity to take hold over the Empire and gears to up to war. Somehow, she had gained knowledge of the Ethereal's play with their race, and, though it is very hush-hush, a miniature shuriken is found in Aun'Va's body - Who might be behind this? Why would they do that? Is farsight somehow involved? What happens to the Tau as a culture now that their lynchpin has been discovered to be fake?

That sort of thing. That is characters who have achieved something of note, something that punches me in the stomach and whispers into my ear "I killed someone another player loved" - I'd be fething ready to do the nasty with that character, I'll tell you that

And as mentioned, this doesn't have to be the only, true canon of the 40K, or canon at all - Just one of the many possibilities available. Regular 40K can keep its characters and factions as-is, while "Galaxy in Chaos" or whatever show one possible outcome of this hellish situation.

So, in short, yes, I'd like it.

Id say so to if like when they did a global Armageddon campaign, like we all battle and directly influence the story whether the imperium dies or survives.
But unlike fantasy they release 1 book a year the summer is the campaign phase sort of thing.
The books should be a whopper £100 amazing thing which has huge updates to armies tons of fluff and a campaign.
Individual stories of note from the battle field could become fluff, a chance to become immortalized as the person who ran abandon over wit a baneblade only for him to get up eg.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
Id say so to if like when they did a global Armageddon campaign, like we all battle and directly influence the story whether the imperium dies or survives.

And us Xeno and Chaos players are just gonna bite it, then?

No as there should be a load of publicity for you armies so you get more players before so its balanced plus what's the first army you chose when you start most often the good guys so you got more experienced players.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I don't see why they could just do a "trousers of time" thing. Just a story-line based on a possible outcome. Two universes, split at a single point.

They could also just temporarily up the ante and then have things cool down.

Remember- Konrad Curze, one of the most esteemed prophets in 40k, never saw an end to the Eternal War. All he was war, forever.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I'm just fine with nothing happening in 40K.

It's the way it's always been, and the way it always should be.

Way too many ways for GW to screw the pooch with a timeline advancement.

Be careful what you wish for.

this.


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 e.earnshaw wrote:
No as there should be a load of publicity for you armies so you get more players before so its balanced plus what's the first army you chose when you start most often the good guys so you got more experienced players.

lol my first army was 'nids.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
No as there should be a load of publicity for you armies so you get more players before so its balanced plus what's the first army you chose when you start most often the good guys so you got more experienced players.

That didn't stop Team Chaos from whipping the arse of Team Imperium in the EoT campaign.

Yes, but only if the heresy series is finished first. I dont have enough reading time, and I imagine neither does any of us. It would be nice to get back to 40k reading, 30k was a nice diversion but it will always be that a diversion.


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Yes, but only if the heresy series is finished first. I dont have enough reading time, and I imagine neither does any of us. It would be nice to get back to 40k reading, 30k was a nice diversion but it will always be that, a diversion.

This is from the most recent White Dwarf, talking about the Blood Angels.

"Time of Ending," huh? Not too subtle there...

Time of Ending has been the name for 500.M41 to 999.M41 since the 4th edition rulebook. I doubt that means anything.

Anyway, that's just Leviathan stuff.

The setting of 40K has always been the "End Times" for Mankind. That's kind of the whole point.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
Well, there's a difference to making an "End Times" of 40K, and smiply making a similar campaign for 40K.

When people talk against an End Time for the 40K universe, they assume that things and people are supposed to die and be removed, and sure, if the fluff goes forward, that'll happen, becuase this is a motherzoggingly dangerous galaxy, and most famous characters are in military in some ways or other - BUT. There's no reason to throw the galaxy all the way into the prophecied time with a dying Imperium and just kill things off, as there's no reason to flat out undo what we have. That would make no sense. It would make sense, however, to show us what the "brink" look like in this universe. I know we're actually at the brink of the universe right now, but that's where we've been for a good 20 years now, so it doesn't seem like it anymore.

We still hear about the powers of the galaxy not being at their fullest. The Imperium are actually the only ones who are at full capacity at this time, with pretty much every other faction being mentioned to be "powering up" for the great fight of all existance, which just goes to show how unbelievably screwed the Imperium are, and how much of a popped zit they are gonna be when the others get moving.The Chaos Marines have the power, but are too dispersed to be a true fright, which Abbadon is trying to undo. The Eldar aren't really powerful at all, but are trying to fight their own arrogance so they might actually work together. Tau actually powered down recently, but they have the power - The only thing they need are an incencive to go into it with all their strength. The Necrons are still trying to wake themselves up, which sound bad when you aren't remembering that none of them like the others as leaders. The Tyranids are only just going into the galaxy and are stopped every time, because they are nothing but tendrils... See what I mean?

I don't just want people to die and the races to go away, that's what Fantasy does, and it works for them, which is properbly because their players are a bit more mature, but whatever: I do want the factions to advance a bit, however - Maybe Abbadon taking Cadia and moving his Black Crusade towards (but not all the way to) Terra, some really major Tyranids forces arriving, Tau realising what the feth is going in in the galaxy and gearing up to save it (for themselves, of course), Necrons doing something, that sorta stuff. Why do I want it? because it forces the factions and characters within them to evolve and learn. The Imperium is still racistic, fascistic and nationalistic, but when all hell is being roused around you and they all want a bite of you, can you really afford to keep up all the mindless rivalries you have? If someone, like the Eldar or Tau comes along to save you, are you gonna reject them, even though it means your destruction?

In fact, what an End Time could do isn't just destruction and change for the sake of those two things - It's the opportunity for characters and factions developing. Right now there's an excess of characters in the universe who I can have no relation to, because they never did anything of mention - The biggest achievement available is killing an Avatar, as they are a sort of HQ, who doesn't need to survive to allow the faction to survive. If the characters in the game are supposed to make me want to play them, they gotta have to do something of note, like having a rivalry with another character, having killed another or simply being important to the fluff, and an End Time can do. Examples:

Abbadon imprisons, or maybe outright kills Creed and take Cadia with the largest Chaos force assembled since the Heresy - What will the Chaos Gods now do with Abbadon? How does the world react? What does Abbadon become, now that he is the first and only Warmaster to actually threat the Imperium since Horus? Who are to stop him, and will that "who" ever be released from the eternal torment of the Warp he's in now? (That was my subjective opinion on the matter, if you didn't notice.)
Tyranids retake a weakened Ultramar, and the Swarmlord manages to kill Calgar and the Ultramarines chapter with succesors are left ruined and on the retreat, with a severely humbled Sicarus being the defacto leader of the tattered bunch - Can he grow with the job? And what will the Ultramarines do now that their empire is lost and their chapter broken? How does that affect such an honourable chapter?
Aun'va is assassinated, and Shadowsun grabs the opportunity to take hold over the Empire and gears to up to war. Somehow, she had gained knowledge of the Ethereal's play with their race, and, though it is very hush-hush, a miniature shuriken is found in Aun'Va's body - Who might be behind this? Why would they do that? Is farsight somehow involved? What happens to the Tau as a culture now that their lynchpin has been discovered to be fake?

That sort of thing. That is characters who have achieved something of note, something that punches me in the stomach and whispers into my ear "I killed someone another player loved" - I'd be fething ready to do the nasty with that character, I'll tell you that

And as mentioned, this doesn't have to be the only, true canon of the 40K, or canon at all - Just one of the many possibilities available. Regular 40K can keep its characters and factions as-is, while "Galaxy in Chaos" or whatever show one possible outcome of this hellish situation.

So, in short, yes, I'd like it.

Second!

No, but more seriously, I totally agree with you (although I could see Creed losing an arm, and leading a rearguard action to slow Abaddon; thus explaining why he hasn't reached earth yet).
And it sould be cool if they would resolve one or two mysteries like cypher or something. Maybe bring back a few primarchs?

I am voting No on end times for WH40K. First of all I like incremental storyline changes. Secondly, I like eternal war.

SYKOJAK wrote:
I am voting No on end times for WH40K. First of all I like incremental storyline changes. Secondly, I like eternal war.

Yeah I would be happy if they just progressed storyline to be honest, not necessarily End Times... Bring back Primarchs, bring on bigger conflicts etc.