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koridon wrote:i like this thread but the way it is going with things going vedo and stuff being argued is annoying me.

I find it annoying as well, but if we don't teach people that vehicles are destroyed by countless anti-tank things easily, the thread starts going in a loop, then gets closed down. So long as people are this stubborn about using vehicles with av > 33, we can either argue or say good-bye to the thread.

fair enough

koridon wrote:i like this thread but the way it is going with things going vedo and stuff being argued is annoying me.

I agree, it's just that some people don't realise how close this thread is coming to becoming repetative and thus being closed.

p_gray99 wrote:

koridon wrote:i like this thread but the way it is going with things going vedo and stuff being argued is annoying me.

I agree, it's just that some people don't realise how close this thread is coming to becoming repetative and thus being closed.

I actually think it becomes repetive if you deny all of the vehicles...

What's the points again?

loner wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:

koridon wrote:i like this thread but the way it is going with things going vedo and stuff being argued is annoying me.

I agree, it's just that some people don't realise how close this thread is coming to becoming repetative and thus being closed.

I actually think it becomes repetive if you deny all of the vehicles...

What's the points again?

210pts for 3 broadsides.

Also, We don't deny all vehicles, we just only allow ones with armour that adds up to 33 or less (front, side and rear added) which pretty much means only transports or light things. It works better than having broadsides and vindicares being repeated.

But even thosevehciles will be wip[ed by those, and even more rapidly. Broadsies still need a 4 to glance a Land Raider, but they only need a 2+ to pen the front or side of a Rhino, and auto the back.

In fact, the <33 means that SM are limited to Land Speeders.

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Deadshot wrote:GK stormraven with MM and Assault cannon and Hurricaine Bolters-235

Remind me, what armour value is a storm raven? because I'm fairly certain it's 12 12 12 meaning it's not allowed. Even if it was, I'd bring it down with 3 broadsides at 210pts.

im2randomghgh wrote:Shas'O R'al'ai-225

again, 3 broadsides, 210pts. What invun and drones does he have? also, I'm in cover and I don't think you're an eternal warrior.

3+/4++

DS and solid enough in melee that once he closes with the broadsides it's done, Flechette dicharger, can fire two pie plates per turn or a Lascannon equivalent, his choice. I don't know the rest right know because they took his stats off the FW website and put them in the new version of one of the IA books.

basically, if he's ds'ing he wins, if he's JSJ'ing he would win, though the broadsides would definately tear him a new one if he had a straight up shootout with them.

Either way, Shadowsun. She can FB two broadsides in one turn and can then assault, which she would win-175


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Deadshot wrote:But even thosevehciles will be wip[ed by those, and even more rapidly. Broadsies still need a 4 to glance a Land Raider, but they only need a 2+ to pen the front or side of a Rhino, and auto the back.

In fact, the <33 means that SM are limited to Land Speeders.

Yes but there are multiple ways to destroy something with low AV, high AV needs dedicated AT, which means there are only a few reliable options for killing them, and those options can wreck just about any vehicle. Hence the loop.

But still, limiting MEQ to speeders and Footsloggers isn't fair.

Deadshot wrote:But still, limiting MEQ to speeders and Footsloggers isn't fair.

Well this thread is about the actual combat, not in getting to combat. It makes little enough difference.

Well, a Tac Squad isn't going to catch any Reaver Jetbikes, Venoms, Trukks, or Pirahna soon. And with 1 Long Range weapon, maybe a ML, and it is easy for the fast moving enemy to catch them.

Deadshot wrote:Well, a Tac Squad isn't going to catch any Reaver Jetbikes, Venoms, Trukks, or Pirahna soon. And with 1 Long Range weapon, maybe a ML, and it is easy for the fast moving enemy to catch them.

Since when was there a problem with using a devestator squad? Or a vet squad with a lascannon so it can cut down the tank then get to the serious business of killing?
All this means is that we need a slightly different way of doing things. It means that heavy infantry become the focus, which is what we need because there isn't a loop you can get into when taking out TH/SS termies.

@ Shadowsun: 5 Incubi, raider w/ flickerfield: 180. You can only take me out close up, and incubi are hell in assault.

5 GK Termies 200

Deadshot wrote:5 GK Termies 200

It would be fairly close if I got the charge, but ok.
What are they armed with? would 5 TH/SS termies work?

Either way, 10 Howling Banshees with Exarch with Mirrorswords, war shout and acrobatic: 192.

Thinking about it again, I think that 34 would be a better maximum for the av. That way Eldar can have transports as well, yet all ships must have at least one value of 11 or less.
Do you agree?

34 is best. That way MEQ can get dreads and Rhinos/Razors in.

The 33> really meant that DE and Eldar, and maybe Orks.

The Terms are armed with NF swords (+1 to invulnerable in CC, for those ho don't know), and stormbolters, along with Frag, Krak and Psykout Grenades.

Cool. You'll still find the banshees a problem, though I'm starting to think that 30 orks with a nob with big choppa and bosspole for 200pts may have been a better choice. Beat either.

5 Purifiers with Falchions

Sorry, I don't know points, but I know I win. If someone knows the points could they post them please.

I expect that 125 points is less than them, so ravager with disintegrator cannon and 2 dark lances with flickerfield and nightshields. 125. I may even beat a broadside with 5 shots, 2 which instant death it, and a 5+ invun. Needs to be lucky or have first turn, but it's something.

2 Hydra Flak Tanks-150

You probably beat me, though 2 dark lances give you a run for your money.
Wraithlord with wraithsword and bright lance: 140

20 boyz. with a nob. with power claw...
160

Nemisis Dreadknight with Daemon Hammer( it strikes at Int 4)-165

Deadshot wrote:Nemisis Dreadknight with Daemon Hammer( it strikes at Int 4)-165

That would be a close battle. The power klaw would survive, but it may not manage to take out the dreadnight. Probably be victory to the dreadnight.
On the other hand, 3 crisis suits w/ plasma rifles + fusion blasters + multi-trackers: 186pts. JSJ FTW!

I weas putting the Dreadknightn against the Wraithlord, but got ninja'd.

Vindicare Assassin 36" away.

A Scout squad with Snipers and a Missile Launcher,100P.

Nasty. Ok then, the same suits but with missile pods: S7, AP4, 36" range. Then at 24" the S6 AP2 starts kicking in.


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Pah! Ninja'd. Oh well, the crisis suits still do the job fine

I'll have Mephiston thanks.

Points? And is he an eternal warrior? Just wondering how many broadsides I can have for utter annihilation.

He isn't EW, but he has 5 wounds, T6, a 2+ save, though no invulnerable and the 3 psychic powers below. He can use per turn.

Sanguine Sword( Str 10 attacks)
Unleash Rage( +D3 attacks)
Wings of Sanguinius (Jump Infantry Movement)

Points?
I can beat him with an archon with huskblade and shadowfield: Wounds on 6s, but instant death and a 2+ invun. 125pts

Necron Lord with Warscythe, from 3rd ed codex, as 5th hasn't been released yet. I think it its about 125.

Wound on 6+, but ID. However, assuming I survive, I strike back, wound on 2+, and ignore 2++.