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Been searching around this evening but can't seem to find any. I'm looking to make either a scout or PA sniper squad, but I hate that all the models I'm finding are all standing up. I need a few prone models and a few kneeling models that could be holding sniper rifles / standing overwatch. Does anyone make models like this? Or am I just going to have to get into the converting business?

There are some prone IG Snipers that might work, and there's the Legion Reconnaisance Squad (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Space_Marine_Legion_Army_List/Legion_Troops/Legion_Reconnaisance_Squad/LEGION_MKIV_RECON_SQUAD.html)

There is a kneeling set of power armor legs. You can find it in the Dev squad, as well as the command squad box. Possibly a few other places. I don’t think there are any prone marines.

you can make a set fairly easy.

Theres a set of kneeling scout sniper legs in the scout sniper box.

No prones though...

Scouts might work but power armour definately would not work prone. How are they going to raise their heads with backpacks on, let alone that ridge around the back of their heads? Plus how would they ever get back up again haha :-P

There's a set of catachan legs that work really well for this if you cut the waist at an angle & then gs the gap. The only hard part is making the arms work well. That takes some work.

Might be able to convert one form the space marine casualties set...?
the green guy here:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Casualties

Actually if you could work it a bit, use the bike marine legs to get them prone. possibily the attack bike or flyer ones too.

they will need some work though as the backs on some of them are hollow.

 Desubot wrote:
Actually if you could work it a bit, use the bike marine legs to get them prone. possibily the attack bike or flyer ones too.

they will need some work though as the backs on some of them are hollow.

you could try it, rule of cool and all that, but really? i cant see it not looking a bit silly. plus, why would SM be lying prone? it defeats the point of having armour in the first place.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Actually if you could work it a bit, use the bike marine legs to get them prone. possibily the attack bike or flyer ones too.

they will need some work though as the backs on some of them are hollow.

you could try it, rule of cool and all that, but really? i cant see it not looking a bit silly. plus, why would SM be lying prone? it defeats the point of having armour in the first place.

......Does it? Just because you can take a shot and not necessarily die, doesn't mean you necessarily stand out in the open for every shot possible to hit you.

I agree that standard power armour doesn't seem designed for firing from a prone position, what with back packs getting in the way etc. If there were specialist marine snipers (as far as I know there aren't), then it might make sense for them to have specialist armour and back packs (like e.g. Devastators for their specialist weapons)...

I suspect GW avoid prone poses because it causes too many LoS arguments during games.

Not prone but a nice set of sniper and spotter. Anvil makes some awesome stuff.

http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/Exo-Lords/Black-Ops/Black-Ops-Master-Sniper

Thanks for the thoughts, guys. I can definitely see power armor being a PITA for laying prone, now that it's pointed out to me. So, maybe a scout squad is more appropriate for what I want to do (at least modeling-wise). How does LOS work for prone models? I would assume it'd be the same as any other model. Just simple line of sight. Right?

You're going to be converting if you want a prone Marine scout sniper. There are a few prone snipers in the IG/AM range, but not many.. I would recommend converting the Crew for the Landspeeder Storm into sniper scouts. They are mostly in squatting and kneeling positions already. Get some of the Anvil Industries' sniper rifles and either cloaks or fur cloaks (fur cloaks can become Ghillie Suits very quickly).

 tekno000 wrote:
How does LOS work for prone models? I would assume it'd be the same as any other model. Just simple line of sight. Right?

AFAIK, there are no specific rules for prone models - LoS applies as per normal. Obviously a prone model has the advantage of hiding behind minimal cover, but that's cancelled by the disadvantage of being unable to see over even minimal cover. The in-game arguments tend to come around partially obscured models - a difference of e.g. 5mm makes almost no difference for a standing model but can be a big difference for a prone model.

I'm thinking what I'm going to do at this point is forego PA entirely. Snipers should be far enough away from most direct action anyway. Plus, the codex only calls for "scout armor" whatever that is. I'm picturing something like modern interceptor armor, so I may go with some modern looking models in flack jackets and add hoods/cloaks. I like the idea of fur cloaks converted into ghili suits.

So, here's what I'm thinking. Scout squad is 5-10 scouts (including one SGT). SGT will have a Flamer instead of shotgun (for close overwatch). Four scouts with sniper rifles. All with camo cloaks. (I'll have to hood them somehow, since all my marines are helmeted in public as per their backstory). Depending on the cost of the game, I might add a 6th scout with a heavy bolter for aditional (slightly more ranged) overwatch. As for the models themselves, I'd like to get all four snipers prone, if possible, and the overwatches kneeling. I have an idea in my head for at least one model using a PA backpack as a shooting platform instead of a bipod. Does anyone know what size base I'd need for a prone model with a sniper rifle stuck out in front? Or what size I HAVE to have for gameplay?

On a side note, the fact that the laze cannon has a longer range than a sniper rifle bothers me. Though AP 6 is nice.

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Hmm there is the catchan sniper set, there's a prone sniper on square base. About 5cm long by 2cm wide.

That's not a marine scale but that's prone + barrel overhanging edge

 tekno000 wrote:
Plus, the codex only calls for "scout armor" whatever that is.

Scout armour is similar to, but smaller/lighter than space marine armour. It has no knee/elbow pads and for the legs/arms it is a material/cloth rather than metal (check google images), the shoulder pads are smaller too (and scouts seem to like taking head-shots and don't wear helmets). Space Marines must prove themselves/survive as expendable Scouts before being given proper armour, that's why Scouts will Infiltrate and lurk around the edges of battle with Sniper rifles while real marines (in real armour) will not pick up such a cowardly weapon.

 trollmeat wrote:

 tekno000 wrote:
Plus, the codex only calls for "scout armor" whatever that is.

Scout armour is similar to, but smaller/lighter than space marine armour. It has no knee/elbow pads and for the legs/arms it is a material/cloth rather than metal (check google images), the shoulder pads are smaller too (and scouts seem to like taking head-shots and don't wear helmets). Space Marines must prove themselves/survive as expendable Scouts before being given proper armour, that's why Scouts will Infiltrate and lurk around the edges of battle with Sniper rifles while real marines (in real armour) will not pick up such a cowardly weapon.

Space wolf wolf scouts, they use all manner of scpout based weaponry including sniper rifles to power axes and combat knives.
Not cowardly, but hardened veterans with maybe hundreds of years of experience.
Sometimes a single aimed shot is what is most effective way to disrupt the enemy.

And on prone models, due to a hole, one prone sniper was able to shoot and next to impossible to hit. Fully in cover. Barely stood a cm high. Just need right spot. Ended up played as a rattling, +1 cover. (All agreed before hand, no cheat or attempt to model for advantage, prone catchan sniper in metal)

My friend even directed a looted wagon demolisher gun to kill him!

eh, space wolves are all heretics anyway. :-D

 trollmeat wrote:
such a cowardly weapon.

Lol. Sounds like some Space Marine butthurt to me. Darn those camping noobs... I feel as if SMs were really concerned with snipers, they'd stop painting their armor such gaudy colors and get with the camoflage business.

From a more serious combat perspective (and we're way OT now), if you look at the IRL military units with the most kills-rounds fired ratio, bombers aside, snipers have the best stats. I wonder how well an all sniper / air support army would do in a game. Just start the ground units clear back at the edge of the table and fire from there at the advancing army while the air support mops up anything making a run for their lines. By the time they reach close contact, the enemy might be thinned enough for a handfull of overwatches in each unit to clear the table.

^ vs Orks (or any other Horde army) = Not enough shots would be fired to thin them out enough. Give it a go and let us know the results! :-P~

Anyways, in addition to the LoS issues mentioned above, a prone model would have an increased footprint/base size and have legs/arms/gun hanging out all over the place.

There are several Scout models that are crouching, or as beast_gts said there are Imperial Guard Snipers (a pair on a monstrous base) that could be converted (Scouts are kind of in-between Space Marines and Imperial Guard, so buffing up their shoulder pads and giving them some chest armour might work).

Has anyone tried doing the hot-water-bendy thing on newer plastic models? I don't see why a Space Marine couldn't be laying face down resting on their elbows, tilting their head up to look down the sniper sight (other than the fact that afaik only scouts can be equipped with sniper rifles)

Marine sniper



(Not my model)

Regarding the viability of prone power armour, they have autosenses and autolinked weapons with targetters. Why do they even need to look in the direction the gun is pointing

have any of you tried to stand up from kneeling or prone with a full bergen? i know sm are super nails but they definately still couldnt stand up from prone

Pretty sure the Power Armour is Powered and has augmented thinggies/stuffs to make it possible to stand up again if they got knocked down or pinned by enemy/friendly fire, or if they get scared and duck for cover/lay down for a nap...

Also, a scope on a lascannon does not a sniper make. P-:

Lol. If I could equip an entire squad with laze cannons, I might consider it. But one is not nearly enough. Hence the scout team which can each take a SR for free, SGT excluded (because... reasons?).

Anyone know of any decent looking prone modern/slightly futuristic models? The couple AM models I found are okay, just kinda ugly. Though, under a camo cloak it probably doesn't matter what they look like...


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Reading the new BA codex and I have to make some corrections. The sniper rifles now cost 1 point per model, and the SGT can now take whatever the frack he wants from both the ranged and mele weapon list. So, sniper rifles for everyone?