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ok, so a plasmagun does an aweful amount of damage if it hits. so why doesn't it do this much damage if a marine misshandles it and it blows up? the solution to this problem is simple. or so i belive. make a weapon that gets hot hit the model that fired it. if your marine with plasmagun rolls a 1 to hit, he is hit with a S7 AP2 burst of plasma. Easy.

Huh. I wasn't expecting a nerf request for imperial plasma when I clicked on this.

So in exchange for the user almost certainly dying 1 out of 6 shots, plasma pistols are gonna cost like 2 points right?

the point was basicly to make them feel more realistic. I admit that this might not work as well in practise as in my head, but its always so irritating to see such a voletile weapon, acording to the lore, be so harmless to the wealder should something go wrong.

I think the change was in 5e or 6e, when I started playing in 4e you didn't get an armour save against Gets Hot!

I would only give that to orks

Imperial plasma tachnology is not that unreliable

Oh noez! We won't have our mighty 6+ to save us from gets hot no more!1

Pyromanchis wrote:
the point was basicly to make them feel more realistic. I admit that this might not work as well in practise as in my head, but its always so irritating to see such a voletile weapon, acording to the lore, be so harmless to the wealder should something go wrong.

The people using it know its a volatile weapon. You think the people who use it wouldn't take some precautions so that it doesn't kill them?

It most likely only overheats. It's rare that they explode.

Wow, I can remember when plasma type weapons were just limited to firing every other turn.(As the user just let the weapon cool down between shots.)
But that is not a 'cinematic' (random) solution, as occasionally exploding and some time killing the user I suppose.

Having a pistol jam and even explode in your hands is entirely different to a bullet in the face.

The "gets hot" rule means just that, the weapon overheats but it does not shoot plasma into the face of the operator. The way I always looked at it is that if I passed the armour save then the weapon got too hot to use, if I failed then the weapon blew up killing the operator.

Ever played Halo? Gets Hot is similar to the Plasma weapons on Halo, where constant firing overheats the weapon, causing them to vent excess gas. Gets Hot isn't necessarily the weapon exploding, the damage can be interpreted as this excess gas scorching the user. I don't know much about the properties of Plasma but I'd imagine in a weaponised state just the gases would be hot enough to kill.

Give the plasma guns a hellish demise option. The operator can choose to overload his plasma gun on purpose in the assault phase if he did not fire it in the shooting phase or over watch thus allowing him time to over load. A 3 inch blast originates from the base of the model, anything caught under the blast template causes a s7 ap2 (ignores cover due to being in close combat) . This will mutually gaurantee a unit of Chosen with 4 plasmaguns or pistols and what ever unit it charged or charged it get deleted.

Even a Space Marine isn't stupid enough to check a malfunction by pointing it at his head when it misfires...

A "reduced power" S6 AP3 setting that does not Get Hot would be acceptable.

Lets call that the improved plasmagun for loyalist and not give any to my Chaos Marines...

Chaos Marine: But we want it like we need razor backs and land speeders and drop pods, and the better land raiders...this is what we get for setting the rebellion 10 ,000 years too early.

Back in RT, there were 2 settings.

Also, the hi/lo Plasma Gun should be given to Guardsmen.

Pyromanchis wrote:
ok, so a plasmagun does an aweful amount of damage if it hits. so why doesn't it do this much damage if a marine misshandles it and it blows up?

Because a weapon overheating and becoming hot to the touch isn't the same thing as putting the barrel of it in your mouth and pulling the trigger, or it exploding in a plasma fireball.

Overheating does not mean exploding. Thats why it can get hot and you can still shoot it next turn


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If it were actually exploding, you would need a small blast template

Your improved plasma that is reduced stats is exactly how all imperial plasma worked in 2nd. Only chaos, with older less refined tech had to suffer gets hot, but that let them be much more destructive.

Just remove gets hot. It's a stupid mechanic. You can't reliably hope your enemy blows himself up and you can't reliably not kill yourself using a plasma gun. It adds nothing to the game but frustration.

Just bring back the rule where if you rapid fire it the plasma weapon will over heat on dice roll of a 1 or a 2

The rule is "Get's Hot", not "Rotates 180 degrees and fires". The whole idea of a plasma gun is it has very high technology to focus the plasma. Any failure would be a failure of focusing, not aiming, so the resultant plasma escape would be too diffuse to cause full damage.

So no one likes my idea of using plasma weapons as suicide bombs?

 Filch wrote:
So no one likes my idea of using plasma weapons as suicide bombs?

I like the idea - would make plasma pistol worth the points.

I'm sure someone posts it out already but...

When a weapon gets hot it's a malfunction. The shot is not fired and the user takes damage. The reason you get to take an armour save is because you aren't suffering the full brunt of the attack.

maybe if plasma guns had a chance of exploding when they suffered a gets hot result, then you could blast the user with a which ever attack is suitable.

As far as I knew when you resolved a gets hot it was against the model using the gun. Correct me if I'm wrong! Lol. Because if I am wrong then that means I've been killing my plasma gunners for no reason!