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Valhallan42nd wrote:

Gornall wrote:

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:[agreement] You are correct as well Subject Gornall. Perhaps my quick logic is harming the collective...

[query] To whom do you think we should be looking?

Like I mentioned earlier, I am concerned that Lord Loss and Valhallan seem to share similar voting patterns. Also, Ultrafool seems to only jump in when the vote is pretty much decided. Valhallan also seems to wait until towards the end. Lord-Loss is almost always the first to offer a canidate for lynching. Further, all three are quick to jump on whichever person is closest to being lynched. My suspicion seems to lie with Lord-Loss the most. However, Ultrafool and Gwar! are so quiet that I am unable to figure out their motives, making them worthy of consideration too.

I am still against lynching DarkO for guilt reasons, as I think Manchu was trying to get him lynched because he was probably not a genestealer. The genestealers and Manchu share a common goal of killing all of us, so I think it is unlikely that he would want to kill someone with a common goal. Rather, he tries to get to us lynch DarkO while he personally kills Stubby, eliminating two innocents. I think the genestealers were probably just as suprised as we were that Manchu was a heretic. I assume (possibly incorrectly) that they chose him to make DarkO an obvious choice to lynch today. That would buy them another day of safety, allowing them to kill another one of us, making it that much harder for us to get the votes to lynch one of them.

Once again, this is wild speculation on my part. If we decide to lynch DarkO today and that allows the survivors to better investigate other suspects, then so be it. Before we do so, I do think we should take some time to question everyone on their voting to this point. That way in tomorrow's light, anyone who the Emperor blesses to survive the night will have more information to root out evil.

Gornall, your observations of my voting patterns is incorrect. I was the second person to vote for Lord of Ghosts, after the Gwar! noticed him equating the Emperor to the Hive Fleet. And I was the first to vote against Airman, when I could have added my vote to the votes against Drk_Obliter8r. I did change my vote on the first day from LoG to Drk_oblit, and then back to the LoG. Perhaps that is what confused you. Both those votes, regrettably, were wrong.

I am hoping that this one is not. Drk_Oblit was very much opposed by Manchu. Manchu is dead, thankfully as it turns out, but it still points the finger to Drk_Oblit.

Vote: Drk_Oblit

Vallhallan42, What would I hope to gain from killing Manchu? Like you said Manchu was very much against me, but if I was a Genestealer, that would be a good reason NOT to kill Manchu, because I'd go from 90% suspicous to 100% suspicious. I'd go after Gornall for example, because he's NOT after me.

Valhallan42nd wrote:Gornall, your observations of my voting patterns is incorrect. I was the second person to vote for Lord of Ghosts, after the Gwar! noticed him equating the Emperor to the Hive Fleet. And I was the first to vote against Airman, when I could have added my vote to the votes against Drk_Obliter8r. I did change my vote on the first day from LoG to Drk_oblit, and then back to the LoG. Perhaps that is what confused you. Both those votes, regrettably, were wrong.[/b]

Those first few days were certainally confusing. Therefore, I will have to double-check my notes, but in the mean time, I'm almost certain that Lord-Loss has generally followed your lead. Whether that is him jumping on band-wagons or following an insidious master, I do not know.

Ye Eighth Vote Accounting
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0 - Vote BrotherStynier
1 - Vote Frenzied Potato (Lord-Loss)
0 - Vote Valhallan42nd
3 - Vote Drk_Oblitr8r (Dark Lord Seanron, Gwar!, Valhallan42nd)
1 - Vote Dark Lord Seanron (Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - Vote Gwar!
0 - Vote Demogerg
1 - Vote Lord-Loss (Gornall)
0 - Vote Gornall
0 - Vote Ultrafool

0 - Vote No Lynch

4 - Not Voting (Demogerg, Frenzied Potato, BrotherStynier, Ultrafool)

With 10 alive it requires 6 to Lynch
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Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:It does make sense why he would want Manchu dead.
I will take this under deep consideration until someone else cracks even more then he did.

Exactly, reguardless of what Manchu thought of me, I had the respect for him to not want him to die. However, that was our main problem.

That is why I shall VOTE: Dark Lord Seanron. I'm voting for him because I don't believe him to be a traitor/xenos.

Vote: Drk_Oblitr8r

Lord-Loss wrote:Poor old Stumpy, he never stood a chance.

Im seriously confused and I have a new strategy for voting.

Suspect those who you never suspected before.

There was something going on with Frienzed Potatao and Manchu, Manchu seemed to be closing in on him.

So I vote : Frienzed Potatoa

So you believe that since the traitor and I were at each other you favor the dead traitor and not the man who was the only person who voted him. Genesteeler / Traitor all the same. He would of killed us all. I will be watching you. I think there was truth in the direction Mekboy was going. I will see it to the end.

I have voted only one time. Counting this is my second. I wanted to be as sure as possible. As time begins to dwindle I am seeing desperation on those who didnt show signs earlier.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Valhallan42nd wrote:

Gornall wrote:

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:[agreement] You are correct as well Subject Gornall. Perhaps my quick logic is harming the collective...

[query] To whom do you think we should be looking?

Like I mentioned earlier, I am concerned that Lord Loss and Valhallan seem to share similar voting patterns. Also, Ultrafool seems to only jump in when the vote is pretty much decided. Valhallan also seems to wait until towards the end. Lord-Loss is almost always the first to offer a canidate for lynching. Further, all three are quick to jump on whichever person is closest to being lynched. My suspicion seems to lie with Lord-Loss the most. However, Ultrafool and Gwar! are so quiet that I am unable to figure out their motives, making them worthy of consideration too.

I am still against lynching DarkO for guilt reasons, as I think Manchu was trying to get him lynched because he was probably not a genestealer. The genestealers and Manchu share a common goal of killing all of us, so I think it is unlikely that he would want to kill someone with a common goal. Rather, he tries to get to us lynch DarkO while he personally kills Stubby, eliminating two innocents. I think the genestealers were probably just as suprised as we were that Manchu was a heretic. I assume (possibly incorrectly) that they chose him to make DarkO an obvious choice to lynch today. That would buy them another day of safety, allowing them to kill another one of us, making it that much harder for us to get the votes to lynch one of them.

Once again, this is wild speculation on my part. If we decide to lynch DarkO today and that allows the survivors to better investigate other suspects, then so be it. Before we do so, I do think we should take some time to question everyone on their voting to this point. That way in tomorrow's light, anyone who the Emperor blesses to survive the night will have more information to root out evil.

Gornall, your observations of my voting patterns is incorrect. I was the second person to vote for Lord of Ghosts, after the Gwar! noticed him equating the Emperor to the Hive Fleet. And I was the first to vote against Airman, when I could have added my vote to the votes against Drk_Obliter8r. I did change my vote on the first day from LoG to Drk_oblit, and then back to the LoG. Perhaps that is what confused you. Both those votes, regrettably, were wrong.

I am hoping that this one is not. Drk_Oblit was very much opposed by Manchu. Manchu is dead, thankfully as it turns out, but it still points the finger to Drk_Oblit.

Vote: Drk_Oblit

Vallhallan42, What would I hope to gain from killing Manchu? Like you said Manchu was very much against me, but if I was a Genestealer, that would be a good reason NOT to kill Manchu, because I'd go from 90% suspicous to 100% suspicious. I'd go after Gornall for example, because he's NOT after me.

Good point Gornell is not after you while everyone is...

OOC: Make sure to put an unvote: lord-loss in there, as thor665 has you down for lord loss.

EDIT: Sorry, Lord Loss is voting for you. Read that wrong, my bad. It's late, and I'm off to bed!

Frenzied Potato wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:It does make sense why he would want Manchu dead.
I will take this under deep consideration until someone else cracks even more then he did.

Exactly, reguardless of what Manchu thought of me, I had the respect for him to not want him to die. However, that was our main problem.

That is why I shall VOTE: Dark Lord Seanron. I'm voting for him because I don't believe him to be a traitor/xenos.

Vote: Drk_Oblitr8r

Frenzied Potato, I'm going off our past experiences for voting for people we think might actually be a traitor. It's caused 4 innocent people to die. How many of us are actually left?

Unvote: Frienzed Pototoa

I was tired and troubled by the loss of Stumpy, I aplogise.

Now, I have a theory about Gornal!

He obviously hates DLS, so when DLS didnt turn up dead, we didnt suspect him. But if DLS did turn up dead, then we would have all be suspicous, my friends you must agree that this is strange.

Lord-Loss wrote:Now, I have a theory about Gornal!

He obviously hates DLS, so when DLS didnt turn up dead, we didnt suspect him. But if DLS did turn up dead, then we would have all be suspicous, my friends you must agree that this is strange.

[query] Even I myself fail to see how this is relevant...In my eyes Gornall is the least likely to be the Xenos, even though his opinion of me is extremely low.

[secondary query] The fact that I didn't turn up dead could also suggest that I'm not the biggest threat to the Xenos yet.

[conclusion] you can't seriously suspect Gornall using that logic

Think about it, he hates you, so if you turn up dead, they would suspect him. But your not dead, so people dont suspect him.

[clarification] that could also be said of Dark_oblitr8r...or even myself. Speculative logic is dangerous Lord_Loss, be very careful.

Lord-Loss is doing to much finger pointing, and as DLS mentioned, speculative logic.

I agree with Gornalls' logic.

The Genestealers could have killed manchu to drive the vote towards Dark Oblit, I shall not fall prey to this trickery.

vote: Lord-Loss

Well I believe Gornal to be a genestealer.

Vote:Gornal

Demogerg wrote:Lord-Loss is doing to much finger pointing, and as DLS mentioned, speculative logic.

I agree with Gornalls' logic.

The Genestealers could have killed manchu to drive the vote towards Dark Oblit, I shall not fall prey to this trickery.

vote: Lord-Loss

I agree. I think his actions cement my suspicion of him. As soon as he was threatened he started grasping at straws to implicate me.

Further, If DarkO was truly the mastermind he would have to be to have kept track of all the votes, I doubt he would have been so obvious as to kill Manchu and damn himself in all of our eyes. He would have been better to kill someone random.

[concur] I do believe that a solid case has been made... in his attempt to turn myself against Gornall, I think Loss has made a grave error.

unvote: Dark_Oblitr8r

Vote: Lord_Loss

Today's vote must be sure. If we vote wrong, we will lose two innocents, leaving only six of us versus the two xenos.

If I die and you find I am a inocent, then you will know who to lynch, you will know I was correct!

It seems very much in the mentality of "claming innocents only proves guilt" but as Gornall mentioned, Lord-Loss is attempting to suede the vote to Gornall now, knowing that if LL kills G in his sleep that everyone will know who the culprit is, where as if he gets us to lynch, then he will not have any problems in killing someone who has been targeted by someone else.

Frenzied... how does Lord-Loss fit into your theory of Mekboy's death?

Have we come up with any theories as to why Manchu killed Stumpy?

Are we missing any suspects? Who seems to be voting in tandem? Who tries to drum up support to lynch quickly? Who piles on at the end of votes or goes wherever the vote is highest?

These are the questions we should be asking ourselves.

Lord-Loss, one thing that causes me to scratch my head and think you are suspicious is your vote for Frenzied... why did you vote for him? And why do you believe me to be the traitor now?

Valhallan, my concern with you was your constant changing of votes. It appears to be dog-piling in my eyes. However, it could simply be indecisiveness.

Gwar! and Ultrafool, I would love to hear more from you both. You have been very quiet, but I think your inputs and reasoning would be valuable.

Tin-can and Demogerg, I am glad to have your support in voting for Lord-Loss, but do you have anything else to add as to why you changed your vote? Especially you, Blinky... for someone who thinks I'm a simpleton, you must have some theories of your own... I doubt you would just follow my logic.

Also, who all hasn't voted for DarkO at all besides myself? If he is actually a xenos (which I still doubt), who are his likely cohorts?

EDIT: Spelling/Grammar and added "And why do you believe me to be the traitor now?"

::Continues to pontificate::

One final thing that I think bears consideration is the people who have consistently voted for the wrong people. I know I am forced to include myself in that tally. However, DLS, Demogerg, DarkO, Valhallan, and Lord-Loss also join me in this dubious group. These people either all have flawed judgement or are intentionally lynching innocents.

I have been suspicious of Lord-Loss from the start, and his vote changes the most frequnetly.

Remember what I had said yesterday about the genestealer opinions about people changing on a whim. For this reason I feel that Lord-Loss is the most suspicious, Manchu was NOT directing attacks at Lord-Loss and for that it makes Manchu a perfect target for murder, to try and push our votes elsewhere. I will go through an post my full opinions about everyone again, to keep up with my theory that the more we know about everyones opinions the better off we are.

0 - Vote BrotherStynier
Nothing particularly suspicious at this time

1 - Vote Frenzied Potato (Lord-Loss)
Nothing particularly suspicious at this time

0 - Vote Valhallan42nd
Seems to be a swing voter, something that is definately not helpful, it is in the best interest of us all to draw these days out as long as possible to root out the Genestealers.

3 - Vote Drk_Oblitr8r (Dark Lord Seanron, Gwar!, Valhallan42nd)
Very suspicious, although he has the greatest motive for killing Manchu, it was a little too obvious of a choice for murder, so anyone could have realistically done it, to pin blame on him.

1 - Vote Dark Lord Seanron (Drk_Oblitr8r)
It is still odd dealing with this one, I do not trust his word, but I am keeping my eye on him.

0 - Vote Gwar!
suspicious, he has said very little, which gives us very little information to work off of. could be part of the sly cunning of the Xenos. He also appears to be a swing voter, going with the masses eagerly to lynch as soon as the opprotunity presents itself.

0 - Vote Demogerg
Is not a Genestealer

1 - Vote Lord-Loss (Gornall)
Suspect. Has flipped his vote many times, and regularly attempts to incite confusion in our masses.

0 - Vote Gornall
Nothing particularly suspicious, has provided valuable questions which have been dodged by many of the associated parties.

0 - Vote Ultrafool
Nothing particularly suspicious, which in itself IS suspicious, he has said very little, which gives us very little information to work off of. could be part of the sly cunning of the Xenos.

Gornall wrote:::Continues to pontificate::

One final thing that I think bears consideration is the people who have consistently voted for the wrong people. I know I am forced to include myself in that tally. However, DLS, Demogerg, DarkO, Valhallan, and Lord-Loss also join me in this dubious group. These people either all have flawed judgement or are intentionally lynching innocents.

Excuse me sir, I did not vote in the last round.

EDIT* in addition to not voting in the last round, the first day has very little chance of making a correct judgement of lynching with 15 players.

I don't find Gwar! to be that suspicious... he hasn't been a swing voter on any of the lynches. (I think... I'll have to check my notes). Same with Ultrafool. That doesn't mean they aren't just setting back and letting our suspicions do their work for them however.

[clarify] I have never been targetted for my vote, or been asked to sway it, however Lord_loss's sudden concern for my wellbeing against you seems too planned.

I still hold that there is something highly peculiar about Dark_Oblitr8r (indeed, I do not expect to lst the night)

However, Loss's actions seem an obvious ploy to draw me against you. I know both you and I have our differences, and that is between us and our cultures, but to try and draw on that to affect my vote seems highly suspicious.

I fully believe you are not the Xenos Gornall. I believe you are simply angry and lashing out at what's different. I will not have someone I logically know to be innocent used as a bartering chip or a threat is too insidious to ignore.

Gornall wrote:I don't find Gwar! to be that suspicious... he hasn't been a swing voter on any of the lynches. (I think... I'll have to check my notes). Same with Ultrafool. That doesn't mean they aren't just setting back and letting our suspicions do their work for them however.

As a genestealer becoming THE swing voter does them no good, but being a voter who is part of the opinion shift of the group does.

Demogerg wrote:

Gornall wrote:::Continues to pontificate::

One final thing that I think bears consideration is the people who have consistently voted for the wrong people. I know I am forced to include myself in that tally. However, DLS, Demogerg, DarkO, Valhallan, and Lord-Loss also join me in this dubious group. These people either all have flawed judgement or are intentionally lynching innocents.

Excuse me sir, I did not vote in the last round.

EDIT* in addition to not voting in the last round, the first day has very little chance of making a correct judgement of lynching with 15 players.

I was mistaken. I apologize. (OOC:: Oops! My bad!)

Yes the first day alone is not enough to make a judgement on... the trend, though I think helps to provide insight.

[finality] I suspect that Dark_OBlitr8r is a xenos (a deliberate 'fall guy' if you will).

However, we all know that he is not alone, and is working in cohesion with another. His voting pattern has been erratic at best and unthinkably diversive at worst.

It does appear that Lord_Loss is the most obvious culprit along with him. I suspect that this night whichever xenos is left will claim myself or Gornall...

Whether the xenos is Lord_Loss, or maybe even the scatterbrained Valhallan, I cannot be sure. I applaud the strong case drawn against Lord-Loss, and have changed my vote accordingly.

My death is unimportant...so long as I take at least one of the filthy xenos with me...

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:[finality] I suspect that Dark_OBlitr8r is a xenos (a deliberate 'fall guy' if you will).

While I do not share your assumption of his guilt, if it turns out we are wrong today and I manage to survive the night, I will admit that he has possibly duped me and I will cast my vote against DarkO tomorrow. Some might think this strange to say, but I do think that we spend too much time focusing on him, so even if he is innocent, if his death allows us to focus on greater threats, then so be it...

Frienzed Pototaos summaries make sense. But Gornals only seem to confuse and cast suspicon were there was no suspicon.

His hate for DLS is a cleaver tactic to make the masses see him as a inocent. Sadly it has worked.