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**Buttlerthepug**

I personally think they would look to small, and without any conversion it would confuse the hell out of people!

**BrassScorpion**

I've now had a good look at the Minotaur sprue and fully painted models and they've started to grow on me, in fact I think I kind of like them in spite of that GW online photo that none of us seem to like. The sprue also contains every weapon option combo a player or modeler could want and the designs on the shields and other parts are pretty cool.

One thing that intrigues me about the Army Book are the large monsters for which there are no models, like the Cygor, Ghorgon (giant Minotaur) and Jabberslythe. None of these look particularly easy to build from the current plastic Warhammer Giant without major conversion work. I'm interested to see what some of the clever modelers out there do with these new monsters.

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BrassScorpion wrote:One thing that intrigues me about the Army Book are the large monsters for which there are no models, like the Cygor, Ghorgon (giant Minotaur) and Jabberslythe.

Not to mention there isn't even a picture for the Jabberslythe...
It'll be espcially interesting to see what people come up with for that.

**Boss Salvage**

It wrote:Not to mention there isn't even a picture for the Jabberslythe...
It'll be espcially interesting to see what people come up with for that.

I went googling to find the GW Jabberwocky conversion from years back, but instead found this, from the 2008 GW Market Report:

As the years have passed our life as a public company has gone through several phases. We are now in one that seems
destined to be the quo that will be our status for a long time. Once upon a time, when we were, sadly, fashionable, many and
varied were our owners. Today just four own, cumulatively, over 60% of our stock. They are the Nomad Partnership, Phoenix,
Investec and Schroder. Three of that four bought more stock in the last year. I mention this to allow me to talk about the
distinction between these, our owners, and a mythical beast called 'The Market'. The Market is not an entity, it is not a person
in the legal sense. It is a collective noun. As with all collective nouns it covers a great deal of ground and includes a wide range
of attitudes and expectations. You cannot please all of the people all of the time. Abraham Lincoln said that. You cannot please
all of The Market at all. I said that*. I can now discuss the business on first name terms rather than presenting to a thousand
anonymous institutions. In the future, as in the past, we will be concerned with what our owners think, but not what we are told
The Market thinks. When you hear the words 'The Market' think: Jabberwocky! It helps.

BUT here are some other companies' jabberwocks:

Blood Moon Miniatures - $30 (that is ... large)

Ex-Ral Partha, Now Iron Wind - $10 (looks a bit wee)

Jeff Valent Studios - $20 (may be defunct, can't reach new store site)

Probably more too, and if the Jabber from GW was in a troll I can scan that, unless somebody finds the web version of it ...

- Salvage

**Kanluwen**

The GW Jabberwocky was in one of the Bretonnian WDs, if I remember right.

**GentlemanGuy**

It was a conversion project on the US GW website for a brettonian campaign

**Buttlerthepug**

They still have it on the old website in brettonian section... let me grab some pictures really quick.

Edit: heres a link http://web.archive.org/web/20080423060139/us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/bretonnians/painting/jabberwocky/default.htm

I sure hope when they got the idea to add this in the book, they werent thinking that the models would like theirs... otherwise its going to fit in with the razorgor!

**Llamahead**

I'm planning on using this model as the Jabberwocky

Its the Legion of Everblight Seraph from Privateer Press
The pictures one of Malfreds, partly as its a model I've wanted to paint for a while and will never field the army for!

**malfred**

Aw, thanks llamahead.

*manlove*

**reds8n**

A nice list of magic stuff from the book, shouts out to Messrs. Govenor Gallagher and decker_cky from Warseer for the work

GIFTS (can only be taken once per army (big disappointment since there are only 8 and most are cheap...))
-Crown of Horns: The wearer and any unit he is with is Stubborn.
-Every combat round all enemy minis in base contact take a strength 3 hit before other blows are struck.
-Lots of Arms! Plus one attack at basic stats.
-Armour Piercing (doesn’t say can’t combine with magic weapon).
-5+ Scaly Skin that can be combined with other armor.
-Rune of The True Beast: Animals (mounts, swarms, monsters, chariot pullers, ect) at –1 to hit bearer.
-+1 Initiative.
-If the model is even partially within cover enemy gets an additional –1 to hit with shooting (on top of usual –1).

MAGIC WEAPONS
-Nangelder: The wielder causes Terror. In addition, models wounded by the wielder suffer a -1Ld penalty for every wound.
- Unnamed Gauntlet of Elven Blades: +D3 Attacks. If a 6 is rolled for bonus attacks then the wielder's attacks ignore Armour Saves for this turn. Rumor says it was Two-handed but I don't remember...
-Hunting Spear: A Magical Spear. May also be used as a Bolt Thrower, which may shoot after moving (not marching) and may be used to Stand-and-Shoot.
-Axes of Khorgor: +1A, the wielder may re-roll failed "To Hit" rolls. Two-handed.
-Stonecrusher: +3S. The wielder has S10 against Steamtanks, Chariots, Warshrines, Corpse Carts etc.
-Brass Cleaver: The wielder may make a single bonus attack against each enemy model in base-to-base contact at basic strength.
-Everbleed: Whenever the wielder inflicts a wound on an enemy model, roll a D6. On a 6, the model suffers another wound with no saves of any kind allowed, and you must roll again until you do not roll a 6.
-Unnamed Weapon: The wielder treats the opponent's Leadership as his Strength.
-Unnamed Weapon(Manfalyer?): The wielder has Killing Blow. In addition, if the wielder kills an enemy character in a challenge (might have just been an enemy mini, I forget which...), they (and any unit they are with) become Unbreakable and cause Terror.

MAGIC ARMOR
-Trollhide Armour: Light Armour, Confers Regeneration upon the wearer.
-Black (or burnt) Plate Armor: Heavy armor. Confers a 2+ Ward Save against Flaming Attacks upon the bearer, and a 4+ Ward Save against Flaming Attacks for the unit he is with.
-Unnamed Armor: Heavy armor. A hit against the bearer magic weapons allow a D6 to be rolled (just one regardless of number I think). On a roll of a 2+ it looses all magical properties for the rest of the game.
-Unnamed Armour: Light armor. Enemies are at –1 to hit with shooting and get –2 to casting rolls targeting bearer or his unit.
-Unnamed armor: 6+ save (apparently a helm). Successful saves allow one attack per save on inflicting model at basic stats of bearer.

ENCHANTED ITEMS

-Herdstone Shard: Mark one spot within your deployment zone. All friendly wizards casting a spell within 6" of this spot get an additional "free" power dice in the magic phase (not per spell as previously rumored).
-Horn of the Great Hunt: Beastlord/Wargor only. Bound Spell, Level 3. Contains the spell "Bestial Surge" with a range of 36".
-Horn of the First Beast: Beastlord/Wargor only. All Beastmen within 36" of the bearer may re-roll failed Primal Fury rolls.
-Stone of Spite: Bound spell level 5. One use only. All Arcane Items (friend or foe) within 18" of the user are destroyed. The bearer of each item that is destroyed takes D6 S4 hits per item (rumor says this is a bound spell but I don't recall it being one).
-Some sort of manskin that makes the beast look like an ugly peasant!: Confers the scout ability.
-Unamed Item: No enemy musician bonus in bearers combat.

TALISMANS

-Unamed Talisman: Magic Resistance 2. Wizards within 24” that miscast using life, heavens, light, can be forced to re-roll result.
-Unamed Talisman: For one enemy shooting round all shooting is –1 to hit and non-BS shooting attacks only work on a 4+.

ARCANE ITEMS
-Unnamed Item: Al friendly wizards within 6” get +1 to casting rolls.
-Staff of Darkoth: Bound Spell, Power Level 3. Casts "Viletide".
-Unnamed Dagger (not a weapon but described as a dagger): Bray-Shaman only. Put aside every model killed by this weapon - they may be used as one-use Power Dice by the wielder.
-Unnamed Item: Each magic phase pick an enemy unit within 24”. During that phase all failed magic caused wound rolls may be re-rolled.

MAGIC BANNERS

-Banner of Rust: All units (enemy or otherwise) within 6" suffer a -1 penalty to their Armour Save. Units in Base-to-Base contact with the banner suffer a -2 penalty (including the bearing unit). This does not affect Scaly Skin saves.
-Unnamed Banner: The unit carrying this banner has +1S.
-Unnamed Banner: All enemy within 6” get –1LD.
-Unnamed Banner: The unit auto-passes all primal fury checks but enemy units in combat with this unit hate this unit.

**Kurgash**

When I read the army book, several things are adding resistance to flame attacks. Maybe 8th is going to boost what fire attacks do?

**The Crippler**

I noticed the fire resistance as well. Seems odd since it's not an army that relies on regeneration. I havent' seen many battle reports using the book yet. What is the consensus? Sort of another horde close combat army? It seems like it might play like orcs with more of a reliance on monsters. That's kind of cool, since it means another army that uses combat resolution to win.

**Kiwidru**

Does anyone know why (other than the preorder release day) there has been 0 beastmen coverage by the gw website?

**Mister Feral**

Kiwidru wrote:Does anyone know why (other than the preorder release day) there has been 0 beastmen coverage by the gw website?

Perhaps because they technically haven't been released yet? (other than the lucky folks who pre-ordered, like me!)

I think the plastic Fellbeast with a new head and another set of sculpted arms would work as a Jabberslyth.

Having gotten my hands on the Army Book, it's rather nice actually. This is from someone who cares about the artwork and fluff far more than the rules though.

**Buttlerthepug**

You were thinking the exact same thing as me with that jabberslyth, Mister Feral!

**Catiline**

The razorgor is ridiculous, but I quite like the look of the gors and bestigors.

Does anyone think that they would be to scale with Catachan arms and weapons, to make an IG LATD unit, or an IG beastman unit like the old lead minis?

**hubcap**

I'm kind of surprised that GW isn't releasing models for any of the new Big Beasts (Cygor, Ghorgon, Jabberslythe). I would think big centerpiece figures (and cool hero figs) appeal to people who wouldn't necessarily invest in a whole army. But I guess GW's sales figures say different.

Thanks for doing that link digging, Boss_Salvage. That Blood Moon Jabberwocky + plastic Balrog wings seems pretty good to me...

**GentlemanGuy**

Mister Feral wrote:
I think the plastic Fellbeast with a new head and another set of sculpted arms would work as a Jabberslyth.

Not a bad idea that think I'll give that a try XD

**Sarge**

The beastmen book is a great disappointment to me when I compare it to the Dark Elves, Vampire Counts, or Demons. If those books had been properly written, granted that's my opinion, I think this one would be a great book with a lot of character.

**Llamahead**

I'm far more impressed with the book than the models the books seem to be getting far better now if only the models stopped losing ground to their competitors for value......

**Kiwidru**

The book, in terms of fluff and pictures is pretty sweet. The army rules are a joke and a half.

**bravelybravesirrobin**

Those razorgor may actually be my favourite new GW models in ages. They're sooo bad, so gobsmacking pant wettingly bad that they loop round again to good. They're hilarious. I haven't laughed so hard at a model since "flamenco" cortez.

They look like they'd be right at home in the early 90's Orcs and Goblins line.

A shame they cost a fortune or I would figure out some way to use them in my 40K orks (maybe attached to a battlewagon as a deffrolla).

**JOHIRA**

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:A shame they cost a fortune or I would figure out some way to use them in my 40K orks (maybe attached to a battlewagon as a deffrolla).

Tied to a rotisserie with an apple in their mouth?

**Lanceradvanced**

I look at the Cygor, and I think it's about time Magnus the Red showed up in Apoc, and I look at the Jabberslythe, and I think they're trying to ride Tim Burton's Coattails..