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There is no image macro for what I am feeling.

Dododo

Luna - that sums it up nicely!

And, that just made me laugh a bit too loudly a bit too late at night here!!!

It looks like someone is throttling ren and stimpy

I disliked the razagor on the site but those are just WAY too funny not to buy... since my army was going to be khorne themed I was going to use a bunch of karanak models for razagors however... those are jsut too funny!

A friend of mine had this to say on the subject:

"Perhaps they can be viewed as art. In so far as they give us a window into the sculptors unstable mind. And apparent lack of talent... and possibly thumbs."

bwhahahaa @ luna. its like the CEO brought his 6 year old to bring your kid to work day. "i want a model that looks like spongebob just tasered a pokemon in the junk"

WHAT THE HELL are those things in the picture??

They have to be someone's own conversion or whatever. Please tell me this is what those are.



Is that picture from the army book btw? I was browsing through it last week at the GW store, and I must have not noticed it, otherwise I would have laughed at the employees for sure.

You know what I find funny? People jumping to conclusions. Because YOU don't like them, it MUST be a so-called 'bean counter' at fault. I mean, there's no way that anyone likes them, because YOU don't.

Does anyone respect someone's different opinion, or should they just get chased out of town with torches and pitch forks?

UltraPrime wrote:You know what I find funny? People jumping to conclusions. Because YOU don't like them, it MUST be a so-called 'bean counter' at fault. I mean, there's no way that anyone likes them, because YOU don't.

Does anyone respect someone's different opinion, or should they just get chased out of town with torches and pitch forks?

True , but sometimes its so obviously ugly , that the only few that finds it attractive can be classified as fetishes.
And so far i didnt see anyone insulted for liking them?
For example im pretty confident that this fish wont turn you on:

Picture is from the new/about to come out UK WD, these are in/from the beastman army featured in the battle report.

The razorgor were sculpted by Ally Morrison.

Cold ones were done by our lord and saviour Goodwin.

I think razorgor is my favorite out of the beastmen release.
If you compare them to squig's cuteness instead of what boars look like , i think they are rather cute like a dog.

Wow.
Those have to be the WORST looking sculpts I've seen in I don't know how long. Considering how cool the imagery used to be for Beasts, this is a tragedy. From rules to sculpts this whole release is terrrrrible.

UltraPrime wrote:I mean, there's no way that anyone likes them, because YOU don't.

Not quite. There's no way that anyone likes them because they are OBJECTIVELY BAD.

Does anyone respect someone's different opinion, or should they just get chased out of town with torches and pitch forks?

No one on Dakka is going to chase you out of town with torches or pitch forks, but if you think those razorgors aren't among the worst models GW has ever made and you want your opinion respected, you should probably make some effort to state your controversial opinion persuasively. You don't have to of course, but complaining because the majority doesn't agree with you is probably not going to accomplish much.

Personally I think they're terrible because:
1)They aren't believable.
2)They don't fit the look of the rest of the line.
3)They don't look impressive or threatening.
4)They don't fit the atmosphere of the game as a whole.
5)There is absolutely no reason for them to look the way they do.

JOHIRA wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:I mean, there's no way that anyone likes them, because YOU don't.

Not quite. There's no way that anyone likes them because they are OBJECTIVELY BAD.

Does anyone respect someone's different opinion, or should they just get chased out of town with torches and pitch forks?

No one on Dakka is going to chase you out of town with torches or pitch forks, but if you think those razorgors aren't among the worst models GW has ever made and you want your opinion respected, you should probably make some effort to state your controversial opinion persuasively. You don't have to of course, but complaining because the majority doesn't agree with you is probably not going to accomplish much.

Personally I think they're terrible because:
1)They aren't believable.
2)They don't fit the look of the rest of the line.
3)They don't look impressive or threatening.
4)They don't fit the atmosphere of the game as a whole.
5)There is absolutely no reason for them to look the way they do.

I never said I liked them, so no persuading argument needed. The point I was trying to make was just because you don't like them, it's not because they were a mistake. The main argument against them is that they 'slipped through the cracks' at GW design. I'm just saying that that is really unlikely, and they were actually approved before relese. Radical opinion, I know, but I can dislike them without trying to make unreasonable justifications.

UltraPrime wrote:The main argument against them is that they 'slipped through the cracks' at GW design. I'm just saying that that is really unlikely, and they were actually approved before relese. Radical opinion, I know, but I can dislike them without trying to make unreasonable justifications.

That's a fair enough opinion, and I agree that they probably were approved. I also think whoever approved them should never work in this industry again.

It's possible they could appeal to kids more than mature gamers, perhaps?

Da Boss wrote:It's possible they could appeal to kids more than mature gamers, perhaps?

Sure if you believe kids now days still watches Timon & Pumba >.>

Or can convince their parents to pay that much on a model ...

reds8n wrote:The razorgor were sculpted by Ally Morrison.

Cold ones were done by our lord and saviour Goodwin.

Jes did Dark Elf Cold ones, but they were never topic of discussion. Above Razorgor was compared to Lizardmen Cold Ones, which are equally awful and unless I am mistaken, sculpted by Trish Carden (previously known as Trish Morrison). There is only one Razorgor model and the ones you see in White Dwarf are conversions. Aly Morrison is well known of his ability to produce supbar models, such as the Chaos Ogres, Khorngors and Pestigors from the previous Beastmen release...

I don't get this. Morrisons did a metric ton of awesome miniatures under Marauder miniatures some twenty years ago, but it has been mostly downhill for the previous ten years.

LunaHound wrote:Or can convince their parents to pay that much on a model ...

Lest we forget, that unit of four costs a staggering $100 USD

In fact, it's that huge price and the obvious inclusion of plastic spawn bits recast in metal that make me stop laughing and instead shake my head ... I like ridiculous things, especially things SO ridiculous that they pass beyond bad and approach good again , but I also know when I'm being ripped off.

- Salvage

its not that we are insulting anyone that likes the molds, and we all have our reasons to dislike them (some more than others). For me its:
1. No other chaos beast unit looks 'goofy', so this one instantly stands out against the army.
2. In a game of war, it is hard to take anything with googly eyes seriously.
3. The basic components of the single model released are so bad that not even conversions by other professionals can make it look decent.
4. Sculptors are professionals who should be praised for excellence and criticized for failure.
5. It distracts me from the Yammed up rules changes, the overpriced unit boxes, the creep towards wackyhammer and all its dice mongering and rules lawyering, and the lack of any rare models which are collectively viewed as "must haves" for a competitive army.
6. i am not infallible, and although i once lumped the minotaur into the "ZomgWtf" category with this little guy, upon seeing it in person i thought the sprues were better than the pictorial.
7. It is *Much* harder to do your own conversions on a solid metal lump than on individual plastic sprues.
8. I laugh to keep from crying
All in all i think everyone commenting so far would have preferred the Razorgor be released more like the Chaos Spawn box: 2 generic torsos and a boatload of optional spikes/legs/heads...so the individual could decide how autistic (No offense to autistic people) they wanted their alpha predators to be

I wonder if they will be the anti-Spawn unit: terrible kit, but fantastic rules.
Maybe someone at GW thought "Well, the Spawn were a big failure, so maybe the contrapositive will work!" If only he had not fallen asleep in logic class, he would have predicted the error of his ways.

Dear god... spending 25$ a pop on a model like that... it just defies the imagination.

Well I kept repeating myself about this subject already back in the days of Portent.net. Gary Morley and Aly & Trish Morrison sculpt (in my opinion) absolutely horrible miniatures by GW's modern standards. Trish usually gets to sculpt the animals and monsters and has (in my opinion) miserably failed every single time apart from the unrealistic and weird-but-still-cool-looking Carnosaur. The other two can't sculpt faces without making females look like transvestites or monsters, and the way they pose the models are straight from the early 1990's. I believe the only model by either of them that is still used and generally liked is Prince Tyrion which seems to have been a one hit wonder. The reason they have been able to keep their jobs (in my opinion) has to have something to do with their long standing work history at the company instead of the actual results.

People were predicting a massive 'Beastfail' already when they heard about the sculptor lineup for the release, and although I wouldn't call all of the models absolutely useless they certainly aren't even close to what I've come to expect from Citadel Miniatures. Juan Diaz, Jes Goodwin and Alex Hedström are all household names I hold to a very high regard. Seb Perbet and Brian Nelson are very talented too, although Nelson's work is sometimes a bit more inspired than some other times. Feel free to disagree, and I'm sure there are exceptions to everything.

LunaHound wrote: For example im pretty confident that this fish wont turn you on:

On the contrary. Thank you, Luna; I now have the inspiration for my Jabbersclyth. Much better than the plastic-toad-with-bat-wings I was thinking of.

Therion wrote:Well I kept repeating myself about this subject already back in the days of Portent.net. Gary Morley and Aly & Trish Morrison sculpt (in my opinion) absolutely horrible miniatures by GW's modern standards. Trish usually gets to sculpt the animals and monsters and has (in my opinion) miserably failed every single time apart from the unrealistic and weird-but-still-cool-looking Carnosaur. The other two can't sculpt faces without making females look like transvestites or monsters, and the way they pose the models are straight from the early 1990's. I believe the only model by either of them that is still used and generally liked is Prince Tyrion which seems to have been a one hit wonder. The reason they have been able to keep their jobs (in my opinion) has to have something to do with their long standing work history at the company instead of the actual results.

People were predicting a massive 'Beastfail' already when they heard about the sculptor lineup for the release, and although I wouldn't call all of the models absolutely useless they certainly aren't even close to what I've come to expect from Citadel Miniatures. Juan Diaz, Jes Goodwin and Alex Hedström are all household names I hold to a very high regard. Seb Perbet and Brian Nelson are very talented too, although Nelson's work is sometimes a bit more inspired than some other times. Feel free to disagree, and I'm sure there are exceptions to everything.

That just about sums everything up, actually.

And OF COURSE opinions will differ.

But really, these are some very, very bad models.

I think the fact that it moves in units really annoys me too. A huge monster boar I can get behind, I suppose. But it should be a lone beast. Especially if it's that bloody spikey!

Agreed on Trish Morrison, Aly Morrison and ESPECIALLY Gary Morely. Some absolute rubbish being produced by that lot at times.

Im going to glue Gor head onto storm vermin bodies to make bestigor -_-

Im sort of blah that the chariot costs more than the new HE lion chariot ( by 25% more on canadian website )

Also they sculpt ONE new shaman model while keeping the decade old shaman , forcing people to pay $6 more.

If anything , i see this Beastmen release as a customer test for so many things ...

I wish GW had taken the chance to add in some Gnolls and the like to the range. Just because I'd like access to some nice plastic Gnolls for D'n'D, and it fits the theme well enough...

OH MY GOD I do not believe it. When I got use to one model thinking it would look better if they chopped the tail off and now THIS XO there is no way to make these guys look any better I swear to god almighty. if these were released at the same time as the Dragon ogres i would understand but NOW good god

Da Boss wrote:I wish GW had taken the chance to add in some Gnolls and the like to the range. Just because I'd like access to some nice plastic Gnolls for D'n'D, and it fits the theme well enough...

I not sure what Gnolls are , but they look like wolves? im using these:
Doom Bull
Mino w/ Great weapon: