Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Aduro wrote:Both Versions of FMA are I deed great, but Brotherhood has the much better ending I think. I may have to see about rewatching that again here at some point.

Oh, currently I'm watching Samurai Seven. You'll never guess what it's based on!!! Good series, though my watching of it is on hold as my computer is Still broken.

Yeh the first one went with that movie to end it and it was a bit weird.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

I do agree with you in Victory, it's good to me, but might not be your cup of tea. (Then again I like project a-ko and sailor moon so different strokes for different folks and all that jazz) If I want to watch a good story line for Gundam I will watch Zeta again. IMHO probley the best Gundam from start to finish. I believe when Tomino was doing Victory he was at the depths of his depression and alcholoism and was just offing people left right and center.

Be invoked was really good and as you said tied up the loose ends from the TV run of eps. I did like the 'kill'em all' aspect of it.

Spoiler:

They just didn't blow up a planet or a solar system, the whole freaking galaxy blew up, kinda awsome sauce imho=o]

One of the best story line Gundams I liked was 0080 War in the pocket, the redheaded step child of the UC (along with turn A). I liked Bernie and his death was rather tragic. Plus I liked the look if the NT-1 Alex.

Yeah I have to agree with you. I think Tomino was incredibly depressed during that show and honestly was not putting out a good work because of it. Zeta is great and in a lot of ways I see it as the Empire Strikes Back of Gundam. Zeta is probably one of the best examples of Tomino's work besides the original MSG and the Ideon movies.

Has anyone seen ZZ Gundam? I love that show once it becomes serious. I wish Tomino wouldn't have tried to ruin the MSG franchise with that awful start.



0080 is great and as a kid I didn't see why it was good. Now since I'm about 10 years older than my first viewing I tear up whenever you see Al just cry at the end while everyone else is still talking about war like its a good thing. I think that OVA is the biggest reality check for the entire franchise since you see the actual effects of war on a child and you see just how changing it is.

I finished FMA:B a while ago, fething epic. Need to watch the movie nad FMA.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Any one know any war based anime not centered around mechs?

The glass ninja wrote:I finished FMA:B a while ago, fething epic. Need to watch the movie nad FMA.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Any one know any war based anime not centered around mechs?

Hmm... depends on how you define mechs. If you mean strictly 'robots' I'd try:

Last Exile (is up to it's animated eyebrows in war)
The Silent Service (cold war subs)
the movie version of Blood the Last Vampire takes place on a US base in Japan against the background of Vietnam, but the war is more a background then a plot point
Blue Submarine Number 6 (*contains some mechish content)

Fantasy:
Ninja Scroll (more about trying to stop one from starting)
Record of Lodoss War (largely about trying to stop one)

Thanks.

Red Comet wrote:

Has anyone seen ZZ Gundam? I love that show once it becomes serious. I wish Tomino wouldn't have tried to ruin the MSG franchise with that awful start.

I got about half-way through, and I still plan to finish it at some point. It certainly started out really bad, although not quite as bad as I'd feared based on its reputation. It definitely started to get better further on, but Puru still annoys the everliving gak out of me. Several times each episode I find myself wondering why anyone else in the show puts up with her, Beecha, and Mondo. I was the same way with Macross 7 and Basara.

Zefig wrote:

Red Comet wrote:

Has anyone seen ZZ Gundam? I love that show once it becomes serious. I wish Tomino wouldn't have tried to ruin the MSG franchise with that awful start.

I got about half-way through, and I still plan to finish it at some point. It certainly started out really bad, although not quite as bad as I'd feared based on its reputation. It definitely started to get better further on, but Puru still annoys the everliving gak out of me. Several times each episode I find myself wondering why anyone else in the show puts up with her, Beecha, and Mondo. I was the same way with Macross 7 and Basara.

I have to agree about Beecha and Mondo. I didn't find Puru to be that annoying to be honest. I hated Basara and the entire crew from Macross 7 so much. I have no idea how I put up with Macross 7 to the end. That show is so bad in my opinion. I don't see how anyone likes it.

Red Comet wrote:

Zefig wrote:

Red Comet wrote:

Has anyone seen ZZ Gundam? I love that show once it becomes serious. I wish Tomino wouldn't have tried to ruin the MSG franchise with that awful start.

I got about half-way through, and I still plan to finish it at some point. It certainly started out really bad, although not quite as bad as I'd feared based on its reputation. It definitely started to get better further on, but Puru still annoys the everliving gak out of me. Several times each episode I find myself wondering why anyone else in the show puts up with her, Beecha, and Mondo. I was the same way with Macross 7 and Basara.

I have to agree about Beecha and Mondo. I didn't find Puru to be that annoying to be honest. I hated Basara and the entire crew from Macross 7 so much. I have no idea how I put up with Macross 7 to the end. That show is so bad in my opinion. I don't see how anyone likes it.

I didn't mind the rest of the Macross 7 crew too much in and of themselves, but liked them less and less throughout the show as they didn't seem to bat an eye as Basara routinely and unapologetically put millions of lives in danger to satisfy his own whims, and was considered a good guy. The only one who seemed to notice or care was Gamlin, and his reward was to get more and more marginalized as the show went on. The only reason I stuck with that show was because I was such a big fan of the preceding series, and I'm in the same boat with Double Zeta. I'm kind of dreading the episode when Puru 2 shows up.

It doesn't technically count as an "anime" but I've been playing through story mode of the new Blazblue game.
Other than that, Excel Saga and Howl's Moving Castle were the last things I watched.

Red Comet wrote:
Yeah I have to agree with you. I think Tomino was incredibly depressed during that show and honestly was not putting out a good work because of it. Zeta is great and in a lot of ways I see it as the Empire Strikes Back of Gundam. Zeta is probably one of the best examples of Tomino's work besides the original MSG and the Ideon movies.

Zeta is one of his best works. I love and still watch it from time to time just because I love the show.

Has anyone seen ZZ Gundam? I love that show once it becomes serious. I wish Tomino wouldn't have tried to ruin the MSG franchise with that awful start.

Not all the way through. I've seen bits and pieces of it. I keep hearing it was really silly for the first 1/3 to 1/2 then it 'grows up'. I do love the first ep where Bright Noa is tossing oranges though, kinda amusing.

0080 is great and as a kid I didn't see why it was good. Now since I'm about 10 years older than my first viewing I tear up whenever you see Al just cry at the end while everyone else is still talking about war like its a good thing. I think that OVA is the biggest reality check for the entire franchise since you see the actual effects of war on a child and you see just how changing it is.

I was the exact same way. The first gundam I saw was 0079 on a bad Hong Kong sub that had Cantonese and English sub's so I kinda knew what to expect when I watched 0080. Boy was I wrong. I way young and just didn't get it, I watched it a few more times and each time I got closer to Burnie's fight with the Alex I would get closer and closer to tearing up. I full on have man tears when I watch that ending now. Great OVA and possibly the best storyline in all of UC.

Zefig wrote:
I didn't mind the rest of the Macross 7 crew too much in and of themselves, but liked them less and less throughout the show as they didn't seem to bat an eye as Basara routinely and unapologetically put millions of lives in danger to satisfy his own whims, and was considered a good guy. The only one who seemed to notice or care was Gamlin, and his reward was to get more and more marginalized as the show went on. The only reason I stuck with that show was because I was such a big fan of the preceding series, and I'm in the same boat with Double Zeta. I'm kind of dreading the episode when Puru 2 shows up.

Oh yeah I totally forgot about Gamlin. That was the only reason I even paid attention to the show and his lack of appearances was disappointing. Basara was so full of himself the entire show and did nothing to help others. He simply kept insisting that his music would do something even though he failed like 12+ times before it actually worked. That really bothered me since he's essentially doing the same thing over and over without thinking maybe he's doing something wrong himself. He's a very irresponsible character and that's why he becomes a space hobo after the OVA according to one of the Fire Bomber albums.

Puru 2 is essentially a brainwashed Puru so she's just vengeful and much less annoying.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:I was the exact same way. The first gundam I saw was 0079 on a bad Hong Kong sub that had Cantonese and English sub's so I kinda knew what to expect when I watched 0080. Boy was I wrong. I way young and just didn't get it, I watched it a few more times and each time I got closer to Burnie's fight with the Alex I would get closer and closer to tearing up. I full on have man tears when I watch that ending now. Great OVA and possibly the best storyline in all of UC.

I didn't even know it was possible to watch the original MSG with those kinds of subs. I'm guessing this was back in the 90's before it aired on TV when you watched it right?

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that tears up towards the end. Man its so depressing and this year I thought it'd be funny to watch it on Christmas Eve. That's my only gripe with watching it, I'm signing up to feel down for about an hour or two after watching it.

Red Comet wrote:.
I didn't even know it was possible to watch the original MSG with those kinds of subs. I'm guessing this was back in the 90's before it aired on TV when you watched it right?

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that tears up towards the end. Man its so depressing and this year I thought it'd be funny to watch it on Christmas Eve. That's my only gripe with watching it, I'm signing up to feel down for about an hour or two after watching it.

Yes, it would of been about 89-91 some time around there for the original MSG 0079. Like I said it was a bad bad hong kong sub on VHS. After that I read the 0083 manga that Viz did which used the cells from the anime as the artwork. It was a really good read. After that I saw 0080 ( 94-95 ish).

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

Red Comet wrote:.
I didn't even know it was possible to watch the original MSG with those kinds of subs. I'm guessing this was back in the 90's before it aired on TV when you watched it right?

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that tears up towards the end. Man its so depressing and this year I thought it'd be funny to watch it on Christmas Eve. That's my only gripe with watching it, I'm signing up to feel down for about an hour or two after watching it.

Yes, it would of been about 89-91 some time around there for the original MSG 0079. Like I said it was a bad bad hong kong sub on VHS. After that I read the 0083 manga that Viz did which used the cells from the anime as the artwork. It was a really good read. After that I saw 0080 ( 94-95 ish).

That's crazy. By any chance did you get to read the MSG novels which were translated over here around that time?

I never knew Viz did a manga of 0083. Was it an American only release?

So I've learned this morning that the movie edited version of Gurren Lagann has an expanded and even more epic ending than the finale shown in the series. Going to have to move that to the TOP of my watch list now.

I dunno, gainax was supposed to make a shikabane hime movie.

Aduro wrote:So I've learned this morning that the movie edited version of Gurren Lagann has an expanded and even more epic ending than the finale shown in the series. Going to have to move that to the TOP of my watch list now.

Quite so. Things get even BIGGER.

The first half (first movie) is largely the same though.

Sorry if I am interrupting a certain shows disccusion, there seems to be multiples going on at the moment. lol But I wanted to know if anyone else is watching the ongoing Gundam ova Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn? I only watch the dub version, and I believe the latest episode, 5 or 6 if I am correct?, is out. I figure Red Comet might be

I've watched the first two episodes and really really enjoyed them.

Nice! ^ Im really disappointed that it is only 8 episodes long :( But they really put a lot of effort into the visuals for this series, it is so freaking amazing. In the few action scenes they have had, I would have to say they are some of my favorite

I have been keeping up with Unicorn, but unfortunately I have only watched episode 1 through 3. I have number 4, but I haven't had the time to sit down and watch it. Also there's only going to be 6 episodes not 8.

Oh right, sorry it has been a while since I watched episode 4 so I couldn't remember the full number lol 4th is the best episode imo, but thats just b/c of the high def fight scenes and some other stuff that I don't want to spoil. Have you or anyone else watched the other latest gundam series, sorry I can't remember the name of it. The main character is a pretty young boy (no duh lol) but the threat it like aliens or something. ringing any bells?

Yeah that's Gundam AGE. I've been keeping up with it and in my opinion its ok so far. Nothing about the show has really stood out to me. The first arc was rather meh and incredibly typical of a Gundam show. The second arc so far has shown no improvement although the Gundam AGE-2 looks awesome.

oh ok. because I watched the first 2 episodes and was not really impressed either. It just seemed to weird and cartoony. Is the original series mobile suit gundam your favorite?

Its one of my favorites. Its rather hard to say what is my absolute favorite since I like a lot of them equally. For instance in my opinion the best of the AU Gundams is: G Gundan, Turn A, All of Gundam 00 (including the move) and the original SEED and Stargazer. For UC I'd have to say almost everything is really really good except Victory. F-91, 0083 and the MS-Igloos are good, but not as good as MSG, Zeta, ZZ, CCA, Unicorn, 08th and 0080.

I almost forgot MS-Igloo there. Nazis in space!

Also Gundam AGE isn't too cartoony its just it treads water I've already seen.

Lots and lots of Cromartie High. I find it highly amusing.

Red Comet wrote:Its one of my favorites. Its rather hard to say what is my absolute favorite since I like a lot of them equally. For instance in my opinion the best of the AU Gundams is: G Gundam, Turn A, All of Gundam 00 (including the move) and the original SEED and Stargazer. For UC I'd have to say almost everything is really really good except Victory. F-91, 0083 and the MS-Igloos are good, but not as good as MSG, Zeta, ZZ, CCA, Unicorn, 08th and 0080.

I almost forgot MS-Igloo there. Nazis in space!

Also Gundam AGE isn't too cartoony its just it treads water I've already seen.

Oh cool I never saw the MS-Igloo, and the animation style for turn a gundam turned me away lol But no Gundam wing? It was the first of the series that I ever saw, back when it aired on toonami on cartoon network. I re watched it recently and actually found it to be one of my least favorites. Idk it just seemed crappy, especially the battle scenes. But it does have some of the coolest gundams. An I though gundam 00 was alright, not my favorite though. It reminded me of gundam wing a bit. But overall i'd have to say mine are Gundam seed and seed destiny, the 08th, 0083, and Unicorn. Though I always though 0083 was a little to short.

darkcloud92 wrote:

Red Comet wrote:Its one of my favorites. Its rather hard to say what is my absolute favorite since I like a lot of them equally. For instance in my opinion the best of the AU Gundams is: G Gundam, Turn A, All of Gundam 00 (including the move) and the original SEED and Stargazer. For UC I'd have to say almost everything is really really good except Victory. F-91, 0083 and the MS-Igloos are good, but not as good as MSG, Zeta, ZZ, CCA, Unicorn, 08th and 0080.

I almost forgot MS-Igloo there. Nazis in space!

Also Gundam AGE isn't too cartoony its just it treads water I've already seen.

Oh cool I never saw the MS-Igloo, and the animation style for turn a gundam turned me away lol But no Gundam wing? It was the first of the series that I ever saw, back when it aired on toonami on cartoon network. I re watched it recently and actually found it to be one of my least favorites. Idk it just seemed crappy, especially the battle scenes. But it does have some of the coolest gundams. An I though gundam 00 was alright, not my favorite though. It reminded me of gundam wing a bit. But overall i'd have to say mine are Gundam seed and seed destiny, the 08th, 0083, and Unicorn. Though I always though 0083 was a little to short.

The main thing I don't like about seed/destiny is that to me personally, they are just half hour Gunpla commericals. The story is typical anime and not really well done. The characters are just one cliche after another. After watching stuff like Zeta and CCA I just can't stomach it. Nice animation and fight scene's. But it's a little light on story.

If you haven't seen 0079 ( the origional gundam( I would suggest you pick up the 4 pack OVA. It does a good job of telling the story of Amuro and Char while skipping some of the 'ummm less interesting' bits.

You asked Red Comet what his fav was a few posts back, I would say Zeta/0080/F-91 are my fav UC, while Wing used to be the top now when I look back on it its just whiney and cliche full also. Nice designs on the mobile suits and the Gundams.

If you want to check out some more work by Yoshiyuki Tomino check out Xabungle, Aura Battler Dunbine, Heavy-Metal L-Gaim. Be prepaired to cry at the end of IDEON though, it's brutal and it's where Tomino got his name 'Kill'em all Tomino' =o] If you watch IDEON check out the movie IDEON; Be Invoke, it ties up some of the loose ends from the show, and has some wicked death scenes in it. =o]

ARRR there be spoilers ahead

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

darkcloud92 wrote:

Red Comet wrote:Its one of my favorites. Its rather hard to say what is my absolute favorite since I like a lot of them equally. For instance in my opinion the best of the AU Gundams is: G Gundam, Turn A, All of Gundam 00 (including the move) and the original SEED and Stargazer. For UC I'd have to say almost everything is really really good except Victory. F-91, 0083 and the MS-Igloos are good, but not as good as MSG, Zeta, ZZ, CCA, Unicorn, 08th and 0080.

I almost forgot MS-Igloo there. Nazis in space!

Also Gundam AGE isn't too cartoony its just it treads water I've already seen.

Oh cool I never saw the MS-Igloo, and the animation style for turn a gundam turned me away lol But no Gundam wing? It was the first of the series that I ever saw, back when it aired on toonami on cartoon network. I re watched it recently and actually found it to be one of my least favorites. Idk it just seemed crappy, especially the battle scenes. But it does have some of the coolest gundams. An I though gundam 00 was alright, not my favorite though. It reminded me of gundam wing a bit. But overall i'd have to say mine are Gundam seed and seed destiny, the 08th, 0083, and Unicorn. Though I always though 0083 was a little to short.

The main thing I don't like about seed/destiny is that to me personally, they are just half hour Gunpla commericals. The story is typical anime and not really well done. The characters are just one cliche after another. After watching stuff like Zeta and CCA I just can't stomach it. Nice animation and fight scene's. But it's a little light on story.

If you haven't seen 0079 ( the origional gundam( I would suggest you pick up the 4 pack OVA. It does a good job of telling the story of Amuro and Char while skipping some of the 'ummm less interesting' bits.

You asked Red Comet what his fav was a few posts back, I would say Zeta/0080/F-91 are my fav UC, while Wing used to be the top now when I look back on it its just whiney and cliche full also. Nice designs on the mobile suits and the Gundams.

If you want to check out some more work by Yoshiyuki Tomino check out Xabungle, Aura Battler Dunbine, Heavy-Metal L-Gaim. Be prepaired to cry at the end of IDEON though, it's brutal and it's where Tomino got his name 'Kill'em all Tomino' =o] If you watch IDEON check out the movie IDEON; Be Invoke, it ties up some of the loose ends from the show, and has some wicked death scenes in it. =o]

ARRR there be spoilers ahead

Spoiler:

Ok cool i'l have to check out some of his other work. An I have seen the original gundam series in full, along with the movies. An I didn't so much think Wing was cliche as much as a lot of their actions and things they said didn't make much sense, like they never gave good reasons lol That and they action scenes were dreadful at times. Heavy Arms custom is one of my favorite suits of all time so they at least had some cool suits. I agree that 0800 was pretty good, but after watching it I didn't think it was that amazing simply b/c their was only like one battle in suits for the whole ova. I think F-91 is a lot better than most people give it credit for to. Do you think they will ever make an animation to follow the series for the events that happen after? They made a manga for it

I would give my left nut for a full on 24/48 episode F-91 sceries that gets into what happened after cosmo babyalonia. Not my right now, thats reserved for them bringing Legend of the Galactic Hero's out with full dubbing


And that was kinda the point of 0080 War in the pocket. We meet Bernard who is a Zeon commando who's sent to find the new gundam NT-1 Alex and blow it up. Well, he makes friends with a kid and the pilot then has to kill his friend. Kinda blows eh?

Oh ya it was definitely good, very well done and full of creativity. A nice little short story OVA.