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Well they don't all have the same universe anyway.
The original follows the Universal Century starting with Gundam, then goes Stardust memories, Zeta, Double Zeta, Char's counter attack then Unicorn if I remember correctly. 08th MS team fits in there somewhere as well, probably somewhere around SDM and the original or Zeta, but has more focus on the ground troops. Rather than having the super suits they have the normal mass produced stuff so the action is somewhat more intense. You won't get Char's awesomeness in it, but you will get Norris who is about as good with a Gouf as Char is with a Zaku II and also a badass.
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I'd say maybe start with it then move onto which ever timeline looks coolest.
n0t_u wrote:Well they don't all have the same universe anyway.
The original follows the Universal Century starting with Gundam, then goes Stardust memories, Zeta, Double Zeta, Char's counter attack then Unicorn if I remember correctly. 08th MS team fits in there somewhere as well, probably somewhere around SDM and the original or Zeta, but has more focus on the ground troops. Rather than having the super suits they have the normal mass produced stuff so the action is somewhat more intense. You won't get Char's awesomeness in it, but you will get Norris who is about as good with a Gouf as Char is with a Zaku II and also a badass.
Spoiler:
I'd say maybe start with it then move onto which ever timeline looks coolest.
n0t_u wrote:Well they don't all have the same universe anyway.
The original follows the Universal Century starting with Gundam, then goes Stardust memories, Zeta, Double Zeta, Char's counter attack then Unicorn if I remember correctly. 08th MS team fits in there somewhere as well, probably somewhere around SDM and the original or Zeta, but has more focus on the ground troops. Rather than having the super suits they have the normal mass produced stuff so the action is somewhat more intense. You won't get Char's awesomeness in it, but you will get Norris who is about as good with a Gouf as Char is with a Zaku II and also a badass.
Spoiler:
I'd say maybe start with it then move onto which ever timeline looks coolest.
Gundam is rather easy to get into to, just poke around youtube or go on wikipedia and check out the different shows. When you find one you like just start watching. That works for the AU ones as they are all seperate story lines. If you want to get into UC (Universal Century) I would suggest going with 0079. The animation is dated and the story is rather cliche now, but it's a good starting point. This will introduce you to Char and Amuro Rey who are the two real protaginests of UC gundam. After 0079, go with MSG Zeta.It's probley one of Tomino's best works next to space runaway ideon. A dark and gritty storyline with beautiful mobile suit designs makes a winner in my book.
The story line in universe is 0079, 8th Mobile suit Team, 0080 War in the pocket, 0083 Stardust rising/memory, Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, MSG double z or ZZ, Chars counter attack (which finishes off the Char/Amuro story line)
Another note on Gundam is that there are compilation movie versions of a number of the series, including the original and Zeta. That's how I started with the UC timeline and it's not a bad way to kind of feel things out if you're not sure you wanna commit to watching quite so many 50-episode series. You certainly miss out on a lot though, so there's a good chance you'll want to go back and watch the whole series.
Honestly Gundam works best in production order a lot of the time. Most real Gundam fans will tell people to start with the original and work there way from there, but I feel that doesn't work. Yes the viewer will get the feel of what Gundam actually is, but the dated animation is a bit issue for most people to handle. That being said I'd say that the original Mobile Suit Gundam is probably best watched in movie form. The TV series and movies both hold equal status within the timeline even though they contradict. Also the movies have improved animation over the TV series and makes more sense story wise.
If anything I would show people Gundam 00 as its a really good AU representation of the original MSG just wrapped in a very different packaging.
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Red Comet wrote:Honestly Gundam works best in production order a lot of the time. Most real Gundam fans will tell people to start with the original and work there way from there, but I feel that doesn't work. Yes the viewer will get the feel of what Gundam actually is, but the dated animation is a bit issue for most people to handle. That being said I'd say that the original Mobile Suit Gundam is probably best watched in movie form. The TV series and movies both hold equal status within the timeline even though they contradict. Also the movies have improved animation over the TV series and makes more sense story wise.
If anything I would show people Gundam 00 as its a really good AU representation of the original MSG just wrapped in a very different packaging.
My fav AU's where Wing (just because wing Zero) After War Gundam X ( I really wish they would translate it and release it in North America). Seed and Destiny while not good shows IMHO did do good things for the Gundam franchise, even if 10% of the people who liked S/D get into UC gundam that is a good thing.
Victory was another one that I took a while to watch, I am kinda sad that I didn't watch it sooner. It starts off slow but the body count soon piles up in 'Kill'em all tomino" tradition. I also liked F-91 and wish it got made into a full TV show instead of a movie, but dems the breaks sometimes eh? I haven't read the Crossbone Vanguard although I have heard good things about it. Plus it's got one of the best opening songs of all time 'Kimi no Mitsumete' The time i'm seeing you. Awsome song especially with the open scequence of the colony doors being cut open then the mobile suits rushing in.... great show =o]
FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
My fav AU's where Wing (just because wing Zero) After War Gundam X ( I really wish they would translate it and release it in North America). Seed and Destiny while not good shows IMHO did do good things for the Gundam franchise, even if 10% of the people who liked S/D get into UC gundam that is a good thing.
Victory was another one that I took a while to watch, I am kinda sad that I didn't watch it sooner. It starts off slow but the body count soon piles up in 'Kill'em all tomino" tradition. I also liked F-91 and wish it got made into a full TV show instead of a movie, but dems the breaks sometimes eh? I haven't read the Crossbone Vanguard although I have heard good things about it. Plus it's got one of the best opening songs of all time 'Kimi no Mitsumete' The time i'm seeing you. Awsome song especially with the open scequence of the colony doors being cut open then the mobile suits rushing in.... great show =o]
Gundam X was good. I've been rewatching Gundam Wing lately and while I used to absolutely love the design of the Wing Zero from the TV series when I look at it now it looks a little off in my opinion. Also the plot of the TV series is just awful. It has so many holes that even SEED is left in the dust when it comes to plot holes. SEED was a good entry in my opinion. It did a lot of things right, but a lot of things wrong too. Destiny just made all the bad things from SEED worse. The world would be a better place without Destiny.
I actually hated Victory. Too many whiny little kids for my taste. The battles were also a snore fest. Every single woman was a wacko. I'm starting to think Tomino has had the worst luck with women in life ever. Fuala Griffon was so scary. That woman still makes me cringe.
F-91 was awesome! I wish it would have been a series rather than a movie. Also the Crossbone manga is ok. The designs in the manga are outright awful and the plot is ok. I still enjoyed it though.
n0t_u wrote:
They're also starting to recycle a little too quickly...
Generation one get's cool form names like Titus and Spallow, generation two Double Bullet...
You do realize its the same mecha designer right? Its not as bad as all the Gundams from F-91 to Gundam X as they are all essentially the F-91 Gundam with a few modifications here and there.
My favorites so far have probably been Zeta, Turn A, and Unicorn, although I've only seen the first two episodes of Unicorn. Plotwise it's been pretty standard UC/Gundam fare so far, but the animation has been absolutely amazing, and the characters have at least been likeable, which has been one of my major beefs with a number of the other series, most notably Wing, Stardust Memory, and Double Zeta.
I enjoyed 00 as well, but the story was a bit forgettable.
May I also recommend Yondemasu yo Azazel san? Good for a bit of fun
I'll check it out, thanks!
I dunno, man. If only they had bumped the character's ages up by 3 years. Then I wouldn't feel so scuzzy. I'm 20, so I sit down, get to watching the show. Haha, sex joke, awkward situation, laughs all around, boobs, yay-
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They're 15! WTF, me?
Also - Spice & Wolf. Sure, it's a romance (with a bit too much nudity in it, I admit. It get better as the series went on). But I have to admit, I was just as interested in the bartering sections. Yes, I'm a dork like that.
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I've seen some of the old stuff, don't remember much about it. Remember liking 8th Squad. Liked Wing. Liked 00.
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FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
My fav AU's where Wing (just because wing Zero) After War Gundam X ( I really wish they would translate it and release it in North America). Seed and Destiny while not good shows IMHO did do good things for the Gundam franchise, even if 10% of the people who liked S/D get into UC gundam that is a good thing.
Victory was another one that I took a while to watch, I am kinda sad that I didn't watch it sooner. It starts off slow but the body count soon piles up in 'Kill'em all tomino" tradition. I also liked F-91 and wish it got made into a full TV show instead of a movie, but dems the breaks sometimes eh? I haven't read the Crossbone Vanguard although I have heard good things about it. Plus it's got one of the best opening songs of all time 'Kimi no Mitsumete' The time i'm seeing you. Awsome song especially with the open scequence of the colony doors being cut open then the mobile suits rushing in.... great show =o]
Gundam X was good. I've been rewatching Gundam Wing lately and while I used to absolutely love the design of the Wing Zero from the TV series when I look at it now it looks a little off in my opinion. Also the plot of the TV series is just awful. It has so many holes that even SEED is left in the dust when it comes to plot holes. SEED was a good entry in my opinion. It did a lot of things right, but a lot of things wrong too. Destiny just made all the bad things from SEED worse. The world would be a better place without Destiny.
I actually hated Victory. Too many whiny little kids for my taste. The battles were also a snore fest. Every single woman was a wacko. I'm starting to think Tomino has had the worst luck with women in life ever. Fuala Griffon was so scary. That woman still makes me cringe.
F-91 was awesome! I wish it would have been a series rather than a movie. Also the Crossbone manga is ok. The designs in the manga are outright awful and the plot is ok. I still enjoyed it though.
Victory did have a lot of whiny kids, but it did have a lot of in your face death.
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when the whole Shrike team bought the farm it was rather cool imho
. I really like Tomino in his 'kill'em all days' IDEON, Dragonar great shows. I also have a thing for mecha so I like Armoured Trooper VOTMOS, Dancouga, Heavy Metal L-Gaim (GREAT SHOW and highly recomended )., Dunbine. StarBlazers and Capt Harlock also have a soft spot in my heart =o]
0083 was also rather good especially the denbromium =o]
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FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Victory did have a lot of whiny kids, but it did have a lot of in your face death.
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when the whole Shrike team bought the farm it was rather cool imho
. I really like Tomino in his 'kill'em all days' IDEON, Dragonar great shows. I also have a thing for mecha so I like Armoured Trooper VOTMOS, Dancouga, Heavy Metal L-Gaim (GREAT SHOW and highly recomended )., Dunbine. StarBlazers and Capt Harlock also have a soft spot in my heart =o]
0083 was also rather good especially the denbromium =o]
Victory being really grim dark was cool to see in action, but I feel it was poorly executed within the show. Real life =/= entertainment. As incredibly realistic as it was to literally kill characters off after 1 episode or 2, it wasn't very entertaining. I cared little for the deaths of those who passed. Some people also died needlessly like that one guy who rammed himself into the tire of the battleship. Stupidest death in the whole show since he didn't go after a vital structure. In fact his death was a joke.
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Best use of death in the show is when Uso's mom dies and he's just holding her head in the helmet. That still get me.
I never finished L-Gaim. It bored me half way through because it had too much comedy. Ideon was ok and then I watched the movies and absolutely loved them! The movies fixed all of the issues with the TV series.
0083 was good in an action sense. I turn my brain off when watching it since it has so many "wtf that makes no sense" moments. xD
I need to watch more of the Universal Century series again.
Also another reason I loved it, was they do some damn fine music for their series.
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FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Victory did have a lot of whiny kids, but it did have a lot of in your face death.
Spoiler:
when the whole Shrike team bought the farm it was rather cool imho
. I really like Tomino in his 'kill'em all days' IDEON, Dragonar great shows. I also have a thing for mecha so I like Armoured Trooper VOTMOS, Dancouga, Heavy Metal L-Gaim (GREAT SHOW and highly recomended )., Dunbine. StarBlazers and Capt Harlock also have a soft spot in my heart =o]
0083 was also rather good especially the denbromium =o]
Victory being really grim dark was cool to see in action, but I feel it was poorly executed within the show. Real life =/= entertainment. As incredibly realistic as it was to literally kill characters off after 1 episode or 2, it wasn't very entertaining. I cared little for the deaths of those who passed. Some people also died needlessly like that one guy who rammed himself into the tire of the battleship. Stupidest death in the whole show since he didn't go after a vital structure. In fact his death was a joke.
Spoiler:
Best use of death in the show is when Uso's mom dies and he's just holding her head in the helmet. That still get me.
I never finished L-Gaim. It bored me half way through because it had too much comedy. Ideon was ok and then I watched the movies and absolutely loved them! The movies fixed all of the issues with the TV series.
0083 was good in an action sense. I turn my brain off when watching it since it has so many "wtf that makes no sense" moments. xD
I do agree with you in Victory, it's good to me, but might not be your cup of tea. (Then again I like project a-ko and sailor moon so different strokes for different folks and all that jazz) If I want to watch a good story line for Gundam I will watch Zeta again. IMHO probley the best Gundam from start to finish. I believe when Tomino was doing Victory he was at the depths of his depression and alcholoism and was just offing people left right and center.
Be invoked was really good and as you said tied up the loose ends from the TV run of eps. I did like the 'kill'em all' aspect of it.
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They just didn't blow up a planet or a solar system, the whole freaking galaxy blew up, kinda awsome sauce imho=o]
One of the best story line Gundams I liked was 0080 War in the pocket, the redheaded step child of the UC (along with turn A). I liked Bernie and his death was rather tragic. Plus I liked the look if the NT-1 Alex.
Both Versions of FMA are I deed great, but Brotherhood has the much better ending I think. I may have to see about rewatching that again here at some point.
Oh, currently I'm watching Samurai Seven. You'll never guess what it's based on!!! Good series, though my watching of it is on hold as my computer is Still broken.
Aduro wrote:Both Versions of FMA are I deed great, but Brotherhood has the much better ending I think. I may have to see about rewatching that again here at some point.
Oh, currently I'm watching Samurai Seven. You'll never guess what it's based on!!! Good series, though my watching of it is on hold as my computer is Still broken.
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