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chaos0xomega wrote:
Weird thing about the Redemptor being in the launch box is that all the other launch boxes thus far featured only wholly new models. This would be the first time that an existing model is being included in one. Kinda gakky tbh.

Personally, I think my decision as to whether or not I want to buy the box will come down to how confident I feel in my ability to shave off all those templar crosses.

 Moopy wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Moopy wrote:
No HH. Arrr

...HH wasn't on the list of games getting previewed, so I'm not sure why you thought it might get something?


I wasn't sure what was going to be revealed or not. It would have been a perfect opportunity to announce something for Christmas.


They gave us a list of what games were going to have previews, so we knew it wasn't going to happen. In the past if there was a surprise announcement or whatever they usually included that as a questionmark on the list, but they didn't do so here.


And yet they didn't do a Warcry preview.

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I think the amount of effort being put into Marines overall is ridiculous. Black Templars are a sub-faction of a sub-faction and they get more relases than a full-fledged Xeno faction because they're Mehreens.


While I do agree on the marine fatigue (although not in this case as I'm serious about starting a marine force for the first time in my life), BT have been historically more legitimate a subfaction than IF (real world history not fluff).

BT were first mentioned in 2nd edition while IF got introduced in 3rd, BT were the game's posterboys and came in the starter box for an edition (3rd), had their own codex (4th), and bespoke models in addition to characters (of which they had more than IF).

This isn't necessarily directed at you exclusively, but marine players who moan about the release tend to confuse fluff with real-world IP prominence.

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No, Dreamchild, the Imperial Fists were referenced in 2nd edition as well - I can't say that the Templars weren't mentioned in second, but all the First Founding Chapters/Legions were mentioned in books during 2nd ed.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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12 volume codex. Madness.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
That's what 7th edition is about. Yelling "Forge the Narrative Pussy!" while kicking your opponent in the dick.
 BlaxicanX wrote:
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 Dysartes wrote:
No, Dreamchild, the Imperial Fists were referenced in 2nd edition as well - I can't say that the Templars weren't mentioned in second, but all the First Founding Chapters/Legions were mentioned in books during 2nd ed.


I stand corrected. I wasn't really around for the 2nd edition; what I said was told to me by an older player and the only proof I could find of it online was the existence of an official BT model photo (that is, a marine painted black and referenced as a BT), and the lack of the same for IF.

The rest of what I said kinda still stands though.

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Yeah Imperial Fists have been around basically since the beginning of 40k. One of the characters in the Chaos Child trilogy was an IF marine.
   
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Savannah

Man, I like the actual marines from that kit a lot, but those neophytes just aren't doing it for me. They're better than the current scouts, obviously, but not nearly enough to "waste" sprue space on. I'd rather have a ten man unit of bling-y marines and just convert up some necromunda enforcers to be the not-scouts. Should be an easy kitbash.

And I just noticed the neophytes' bolters: are those supposed to be old school versions? They don't look like the layout for any of the modern intercessor types, since they lack the distinctive cut where the clip/box/scope bit goes. And the current versions with straight mags are the sniper ones, right? That'll be an annoying mix, as the real marines definitely have the assault version in the photo.
   
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Let’s be real. Marines sell more. Not a little more…a lot more. This isn’t a complex concept. GW, like any business, probably keeps track of what each kit sells. They probably even have a spreadsheet and everything. They also, like any business, keep track of how much each kit costs to produce (from idea, to concept art, to design principles, to sculpts, to kit construction, to marketing, to packaging, etc).

Instead of reading message boards for passionate posts, the profitable company monitors actual sales, and then they make decisions regarding future lines based on those sales.

It’s literally that simple.

Looking for old Space Wolves upgrade sprues. 
   
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 dienekes96 wrote:
Let’s be real. Marines sell more. Not a little more…a lot more. This isn’t a complex concept. GW, like any business, probably keeps track of what each kit sells. They probably even have a spreadsheet and everything. They also, like any business, keep track of how much each kit costs to produce (from idea, to concept art, to design principles, to sculpts, to kit construction, to marketing, to packaging, etc).

Instead of reading message boards for passionate posts, the profitable company monitors actual sales, and then they make decisions regarding future lines based on those sales.

It’s literally that simple.


Marines only sell more, because they make up more of relases. In fact, they sell proportionally more to how many relases they get. Between 2017-2021, Marines made up around 30% of 40k relases... and according to Games Workshops' own Metawatch data, they also happened to make up around 30% of the playerbase (at the time of their strongest Codices, aka Marines 8th, 2.0)

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
according to Games Workshops' own Metawatch data, they also happened to make up around 30% of the playerbase


Because 100% of all 40k games ever played are recorded in competitive statistics, and all models are purchased for games. Just lmao
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 dienekes96 wrote:
Let’s be real. Marines sell more. Not a little more…a lot more. This isn’t a complex concept. GW, like any business, probably keeps track of what each kit sells. They probably even have a spreadsheet and everything. They also, like any business, keep track of how much each kit costs to produce (from idea, to concept art, to design principles, to sculpts, to kit construction, to marketing, to packaging, etc).

Instead of reading message boards for passionate posts, the profitable company monitors actual sales, and then they make decisions regarding future lines based on those sales.

It’s literally that simple.


Marines only sell more, because they make up more of relases. In fact, they sell proportionally more to how many relases they get. Between 2017-2021, Marines made up around 30% of 40k relases... and according to Games Workshops' own Metawatch data, they also happened to make up around 30% of the playerbase (at the time of their strongest Codices, aka Marines 8th, 2.0)


The playerbase is not indict I've of sales, just of players. There are plenty of players who collect more than one army, and plenty who collect but don't play in official events or at all.
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
Weird thing about the Redemptor being in the launch box is that all the other launch boxes thus far featured only wholly new models. This would be the first time that an existing model is being included in one. Kinda gakky tbh.

Personally, I think my decision as to whether or not I want to buy the box will come down to how confident I feel in my ability to shave off all those templar crosses.

 Moopy wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Moopy wrote:
No HH. Arrr

...HH wasn't on the list of games getting previewed, so I'm not sure why you thought it might get something?


I wasn't sure what was going to be revealed or not. It would have been a perfect opportunity to announce something for Christmas.


They gave us a list of what games were going to have previews, so we knew it wasn't going to happen. In the past if there was a surprise announcement or whatever they usually included that as a questionmark on the list, but they didn't do so here.


It wouldn't have been gacky if they had at least built a add on sprue for the redemptor with BT specific pieces, but alas.

Just like Deathwatch ones could really use pieces for the L shoulder (instead of having to buy 3rd party).

   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 dienekes96 wrote:
Let’s be real. Marines sell more. Not a little more…a lot more. This isn’t a complex concept. GW, like any business, probably keeps track of what each kit sells. They probably even have a spreadsheet and everything. They also, like any business, keep track of how much each kit costs to produce (from idea, to concept art, to design principles, to sculpts, to kit construction, to marketing, to packaging, etc).

Instead of reading message boards for passionate posts, the profitable company monitors actual sales, and then they make decisions regarding future lines based on those sales.

It’s literally that simple.


Marines only sell more, because they make up more of relases. In fact, they sell proportionally more to how many relases they get. Between 2017-2021, Marines made up around 30% of 40k relases... and according to Games Workshops' own Metawatch data, they also happened to make up around 30% of the playerbase (at the time of their strongest Codices, aka Marines 8th, 2.0)


The playerbase is not indict I've of sales, just of players. There are plenty of players who collect more than one army, and plenty who collect but don't play in official events or at all.


Ya got any better data, then?

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Goose LeChance wrote:
If there are any high ranking GW employees reading this and they have plans for generic Primaris Scouts please put sleeves on their arms

No! Buff bare arms is better!

   
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Vigo. Spain.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 dienekes96 wrote:
Let’s be real. Marines sell more. Not a little more…a lot more. This isn’t a complex concept. GW, like any business, probably keeps track of what each kit sells. They probably even have a spreadsheet and everything. They also, like any business, keep track of how much each kit costs to produce (from idea, to concept art, to design principles, to sculpts, to kit construction, to marketing, to packaging, etc).

Instead of reading message boards for passionate posts, the profitable company monitors actual sales, and then they make decisions regarding future lines based on those sales.

It’s literally that simple.


Marines only sell more, because they make up more of relases. In fact, they sell proportionally more to how many relases they get. Between 2017-2021, Marines made up around 30% of 40k relases... and according to Games Workshops' own Metawatch data, they also happened to make up around 30% of the playerbase (at the time of their strongest Codices, aka Marines 8th, 2.0)


The playerbase is not indict I've of sales, just of players. There are plenty of players who collect more than one army, and plenty who collect but don't play in official events or at all.


Ya got any better data, then?


Bad data read in the wrong way is much worse than no data because it coats baseless assumptions by a thin veil of legitimacy.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ya got any better data, then?

I don’t. I’m assuming the company doing the investments and sales does, though. That’s my whole point.

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Looking for old Space Wolves upgrade sprues. 
   
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If marines doesn't sell more than anything else (even if the number of releases is taken into account) gw would be seriously incompetent to still put such an emphasis toward them.

Coupled with the fact that they rebooted fantasy to put fantasy marines into it, i think it's pretty obvious that they are GW main seller

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 streetsamurai wrote:
If marines doesn't sell more than anything else (even if the number of releases is taken into account) gw would be seriously incompetent to still put such an emphasis toward them.


I mean... GW hasn't really shown a significant amount of competency overall recently.

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People would rather play a supported army than one that's 90% Failcast.

Therefore, the army that receives support should consume all production resources going forward.

I can see why Dakkanauts are known for their brilliant logic.
   
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Who cares! As long as they sprinkle some new kits into Xenos or other games then its all good. Still waiting for some Nids though.

Gencon seems like it was a positive spread of minis and kits previews. Not going to lie the Necromunda marked is freaking awesome!

I don't have one mini that screams - must have! But I'm puzzled with the spiders teaser. Gobbos? Chaos Dwarf industrial vibes though.

GW did well this weekend.

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 xttz wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
according to Games Workshops' own Metawatch data, they also happened to make up around 30% of the playerbase


Because 100% of all 40k games ever played are recorded in competitive statistics, and all models are purchased for games. Just lmao

Whilst I'd ordinarily agree with the sentiment, there's probably even more Marine players casually than competitively. Even when they're bottom of the barrel (which they had been more often than not until late 8th) they tended to have a good showing in terms of people playing them when compared to other 'low tier' factions.

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 NAVARRO wrote:
Who cares! As long as they sprinkle some new kits into Xenos or other games then its all good. Still waiting for some Nids though.

Gencon seems like it was a positive spread of minis and kits previews. Not going to lie the Necromunda marked is freaking awesome!

I don't have one mini that screams - must have! But I'm puzzled with the spiders teaser. Gobbos? Chaos Dwarf industrial vibes though.

GW did well this weekend.


Chaos dwarves spider centaurs. Im calling it

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 ScarletRose wrote:

Therefore, the army that receives support should consume all production resources going forward.

I can see why Dakkanauts are known for their brilliant logic.


I don't think anyone was saying that, it's just common sense that GW puts profit first and the most popular army gets the most support.

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 NAVARRO wrote:
Who cares! As long as they sprinkle some new kits into Xenos or other games then its all good. Still waiting for some Nids though.

Gencon seems like it was a positive spread of minis and kits previews. Not going to lie the Necromunda marked is freaking awesome!


I'm feeling skeptical of the Necromunda Market. The _box cover_ looks pretty cool. But...
the various gang models obviously aren't in there, and I'm not sure what pictured actually is. It may just be two duplicate sprues that make 2 awnings and a weapon rack each, and a couple of crates and objects, and that's it.
I worry its going to be quite disappointing in hand (same with the outlaws, since there's only 4 bodies, and duplicate heads just in the 12 models they're showing off)

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To me how disappointing the marketplace kit is depends on the cost. To me it looks worth about 30 usd at the most, it's not even terrain that will do much to block line of sight. It doesn't look like it makes enough terrain to be worth more than that.

 
   
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The more I look at it, the more I see a glorified Combat Patrol box for BT + fancy box and fancier codex supplement.

That being said, I would really love to see that for CF, and for NL for CSM.
   
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Yeah, $30-5 is about where I'm cool with more than one.
Any more and maybe one, maybe.

I really like the stronghold, but $90 makes it a much more expensive option for buying 2(I want to assault it from all sides(40k).

The market will fit in nicely.
   
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 Gert wrote:
Yeah, all those Xenos factions like Necrons and Orks not getting any model releases at all! Wait...
Could you try being a little less intentionally dishonest.

Tyranids haven't had a model release since 2014. Some of the oldest models GW still makes are part of the Eldar range. Dark Eldar didn't even get a new model when their Codex arrived (Lilith had been released in a battle box previously).

 Dreamchild wrote:
BT were first mentioned in 2nd edition while IF got introduced in 3rd...
Umm... what?

I don't have any Rogue Trader material handy, but I know that Space Marine, the novel by Ian Watson, came out in 1993. 3rd Edition came out 5 years later. They even got their own army box with custom metal IF parts in 2nd Ed.



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Where's the female model in the upper-left hand corner from?

   
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 CMLR wrote:
The more I look at it, the more I see a glorified Combat Patrol box for BT + fancy box and fancier codex supplement.


The Sisters Combat Patrol is literally their army box plus a Rhino minus the book, so, yeah?
   
 
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