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Give them an extra attack and options for hidden power weapons and fists, really, it is just those two things that will make them usable.... Thoughts?

To be honest, i wouldnt even worry about the attacks.

Just give them a list of weapon upgrades on par with the DC and they will be a solid combat unit.

As of now, they can barely scratch anything in combat unless it has a 5+ or worse.

Death Company really are an embarrassment to GW when compared to Berzerkers. Feel No Pain on top of FC and Rage with +1 attack base. Hidden power weapons and jump options really seal the deal.

I really hope in the new Codex that they stat the Bezerkers in line with the Death Company.

Why? They have Rage, FC and Counter attack now ... and cost almost exactly the same for a 15 man squad kitted out the same. you can give them Votlw for a point ... that is worthwhile. You can take the squad even higher than the DC can go and IIRC they can get rolls on the boon table ... DC can not do anything like that.

Zerkers are fine just as they are.

shake my head at olllo

Laughing at fitch

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
Why? They have Rage, FC and Counter attack now ... and cost almost exactly the same for a 15 man squad kitted out the same. you can give them Votlw for a point ... that is worthwhile. You can take the squad even higher than the DC can go and IIRC they can get rolls on the boon table ... DC can not do anything like that.

Zerkers are fine just as they are.

They're perfectly fine if you don't look at their point cost.

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
Why? They have Rage, FC and Counter attack now ... and cost almost exactly the same for a 15 man squad kitted out the same. you can give them Votlw for a point ... that is worthwhile. You can take the squad even higher than the DC can go and IIRC they can get rolls on the boon table ... DC can not do anything like that.

Zerkers are fine just as they are.

I just..... what? have you seen the zerker page of the CSM codex?

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
Why? They have Rage, FC and Counter attack now ... and cost almost exactly the same for a 15 man squad kitted out the same. you can give them Votlw for a point ... that is worthwhile. You can take the squad even higher than the DC can go and IIRC they can get rolls on the boon table ... DC can not do anything like that.

Zerkers are fine just as they are.

And no Jump Packs. Give them Jump Packs with no price change and we'll be fine.

I am at a loss here ... you want the stuff that the BA Codex has but want more of it cheaper or free? I mean if we are going to wishlist... I want my codex to not suck! Jump packs for free ... BA Player complained about 15 ppm on DC JP and when the price was dropped to 3 ppm it became viable to use them.

If you are not happy with how your codex plays, switch to the BA codex and use DC all day long ... there is a formation that allows you to take 14 squads of DC. Use that formation and field all the (DC) Zerkers you want ... not sure where the problem lies.

I have a good buddy of mine that uses zerkers with some kind of zerker lord that just wrecks face. We do not bother with going after objectives or any of that ... kill kill kill. If he gets the charge he ruins my day, if I get the charge I ruin his. Zerkers and the entire BA codex are in the same boat ... we are all about cc in an edition that hates us because it is all about shooting, it sucks for us right now.