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2015/02/25 05:46:43
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-jury-finds-ex-marine-guilty-of-killing-american-sniper-author-chris-kyle-2015-2]Marine found guilty in the murder of Chris Kyle.
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The jury in the trial of Eddie Ray Routh, an ex-Marine charged with killing the Navy SEAL "American Sniper" Chris Kyle and another man, has found him guilty of capital murder.
Jurors returned the verdict Tuesday night, convicting Routh of killing both Chris Kyle and Kyle's friend Chad Littlefield at a firing range southwest of Fort Worth, Texas in February 2013.
The judge read the verdict, and polled the jury, all of whom affirmed the guilty verdict.
Routh was immediately sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Over the course of the trial, defense attorneys for Routh argued the 27-year-old suffered from a mental illness, while prosecutors painted him as a drug abuser who, despite any such claims, knew the difference between right and wrong.
The jury deliberated for a little more than two hours before reaching a verdict at a court in the rural Texas city of Stephenville.
In closing arguments before the case went to the jury, prosecutor Jane Starnes said Routh acted coldly and deliberately when he waited for Kyle to empty his gun at the range and then ambushed the two from behind before fleeing the scene Kyle's pickup truck.
A medical examiner testified that Kyle was shot six times, Littlefield seven. Both had several gunshot wounds that would have been fatal.
Defense lawyers argued that Routh was a paranoid schizophrenic and should be declared innocent by reason of insanity. “That is not insanity. That is just cold, calculated capital murder,” Starnes said.
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2015/02/25 06:02:58
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
hotsauceman1 wrote: Honest question, because maybe I was asleep at the time, but what is the big deal about Chris Kyle and why is he revered as a hero?
Read the biography of Kris Kyle.
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2015/02/25 06:07:24
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
hotsauceman1 wrote: Honest question, because maybe I was asleep at the time, but what is the big deal about Chris Kyle and why is he revered as a hero?
Ok, most lethal sniper in history, I still don't get the reverence for him, like how if you disliked the movie, which I did, you are some evil liberal.
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2015/02/25 06:13:17
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ok, most lethal sniper in history, I still don't get the reverence for him, like how if you disliked the movie, which I did, you are some evil liberal.
Politics has nothing to do with what Kris Kyle done. I haven't seen it nor do i desire to see it. Mostly due I rather keep some emotions and memories buried deep within me. The movie offers a glimpse to what an individual transition into after exposure to conflict over a period of time.
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2015/02/25 06:55:30
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ok, most lethal sniper in history, I still don't get the reverence for him, like how if you disliked the movie, which I did, you are some evil liberal.
I believe the reverence is less about him being a sniper and more about him trying to help others, as well as expanding on the true effects of war, specifically PTSD. Don't get me wrong, I've yet to see the movie, so I'm not sure what's that ground breaking about, but I can see how hopefully it helped others.
Besides, no one's calling you a liberal for not liking the movie. I know a couple who didn't like it and we're still friends
He was known before American Sniper was a movie, besides the fact it was two people killed not just Kyle, but the greater importance is the issue of PTSD and how it is dealt with.
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2015/02/25 07:47:12
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
It sounds like the mental illness defence is valid though that would make him a psychotic killer rather than a calculating one. They'd both face a long time in prison, but they current court decision suggests he won't receive treatment. I wonder if that really is the best result.
BlaxicanX wrote: How the hell did they manage to nail him for capital murder?
Haven't followed the case at all, so serious question.
pretty clear quote about him waiting till their firearms were empty before acting.
AFAIK he didn't just stumble onto them at the range and decide it was a good day to end two dudes.
Just because you're a psycho doesn't mean you're stupid. He may had agreed to go with them and waited until their guns were empty, but he could still be hearing voices in his head or whatever leading him to his overall actions. Sure, he could have wanted fame or have some misconceived political motivation too, but the fact he showed some cunning doesn't mean he's not mentally ill.
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2015/02/25 09:03:50
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ok, most lethal sniper in history, I still don't get the reverence for him, like how if you disliked the movie, which I did, you are some evil liberal.
I believe the reverence is less about him being a sniper and more about him trying to help others, as well as expanding on the true effects of war, specifically PTSD. Don't get me wrong, I've yet to see the movie, so I'm not sure what's that ground breaking about, but I can see how hopefully it helped others.
Besides, no one's calling you a liberal for not liking the movie. I know a couple who didn't like it and we're still friends
Automatically Appended Next Post: Kind of glad to hear he got life in prison, don't think he deserved to be executed.
The movie's bs and largely fictionalizes everything. It's good to watch, but not by any means a true story. The whole bit with Kyle being remorseful over the death he wrought is entirely fictionalized. Honestly I don't know what to make of Kyle. Either Chris snapped from PTSD and just couldn't adjust to civie life, leading him to tell tall tales of being an edgy vigilante who killed looters in Katrina and couldn't really acknowledged how he killed over a hundred people. Or he was downright cold and truly viewed people in the Middle East as nothing more then savage cretins.
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2015/02/25 10:48:04
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
Although I'm ambivalent towards Chris Kyle, it's always good to see a murderer given justice. And yes, I've seen the film.
I can't say for 100% certain, but i'd put money on it. It could end up being highly prejudicial one way or the other. Withotu commenting on the message of the movie, most judges in a relatively high profile case like this are not going to risk the chance of a hung jury over a very high profile movie. A prohibition about seeing the movie, discussing it, or being around people discussing it was probably in with the instructions to the Jury along with avoiding media about the case for the duration of the trial, etc etc. in the initial Jury instructions.
Like i said, not 100% certain on this, but it's a very safe bet.
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Wyzilla wrote: The movie's bs and largely fictionalizes everything.
A movie? Fictional? Next you'll tell me that other films are fictional.
Normally I wouldn't have a problem with how greatly they twist Kyle's character, but I take offense at how they claim it's a true story, and make it anything but.
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2015/02/25 11:43:40
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
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2015/02/25 12:04:09
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
There is a missing piece to this puzzle, which I was hoping came out at trial, but it sounds like it didn't.
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The shooter claims this was not PTSD. Everyone *assumes* it was. They *NEED* it to be. His Defense claimed it even though the shooter repeatedly said "I am not Crazy, this was not PTSD."
That is why he was convicted it sounds like, because it is hard for the lawyers to make an insanity defense when the shooter claims not to be insane.
Something else was going on. There is an explicit reason this soldier killed Chris Kyle, they are keeping it under wraps. Lots of soldiers I know are quite mad at Chris Kyle for both breaking his NDA which SEALS agree to which puts them all at risk as well as the negative way his fake stories portray American servicemen.
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2015/02/25 12:49:04
Subject: Re:Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
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2015/02/25 13:31:01
Subject: Re:Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
nkelsch wrote: There is a missing piece to this puzzle, which I was hoping came out at trial, but it sounds like it didn't.
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The shooter claims this was not PTSD. Everyone *assumes* it was. They *NEED* it to be. His Defense claimed it even though the shooter repeatedly said "I am not Crazy, this was not PTSD."
That is why he was convicted it sounds like, because it is hard for the lawyers to make an insanity defense when the shooter claims not to be insane.
Something else was going on. There is an explicit reason this soldier killed Chris Kyle, they are keeping it under wraps. Lots of soldiers I know are quite mad at Chris Kyle for both breaking his NDA which SEALS agree to which puts them all at risk as well as the negative way his fake stories portray American servicemen.
It's common for Schizophrenic people to claim they don't have it. He'd be hearing stuff like the voices telling him it was a trap and convincing him he was led there to be killed likely.
The jury deliberated for a little more than two hours before reaching a verdict at a court in the rural Texas city of Stephenville.
Only two hours? Wow. I was on a jury for a much smaller crime and it took us a full day and a half to reach a verdict. I suppose every trial and jury is unique, but that is surprising from my limited experience.
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2015/02/25 14:20:49
Subject: Re:Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
Routh admitted he knew what he did was wrong. Mention something about it not being PTSD I believe during interrogation on video. IIRC Kyle and Littlefield were shot in the back
Other bolo was Routh never left the FoD
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2015/02/25 22:38:14
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
Wyzilla wrote: Normally I wouldn't have a problem with how greatly they twist Kyle's character, but I take offense at how they claim it's a true story, and make it anything but.
Fargo starts out with "This is a true story" but the whole thing is made up and a mix of fiction and a pastiche of other real crimes as the Coen's knew just saying that at the start would suck people in. If it was a documentary I would understand, but since I was old enough to watch movies I knew that anything narrative was pretty much fictionalized; anything that says it is 'based' on a true story is pretty much guaranteed to be changed up to be more dramatic. Yeah there was a guy named Chris Kyle and he was a sniper but beyond that I assume the rest was changed up to capture a mood ,or idea, as opposed to recreating reality.
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2015/02/25 22:48:15
Subject: Chris Kyle Killer Found Culpable of Crime
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ok, most lethal sniper in history, I still don't get the reverence for him, like how if you disliked the movie, which I did, you are some evil liberal.
I believe the reverence is less about him being a sniper and more about him trying to help others, as well as expanding on the true effects of war, specifically PTSD. Don't get me wrong, I've yet to see the movie, so I'm not sure what's that ground breaking about, but I can see how hopefully it helped others.
Besides, no one's calling you a liberal for not liking the movie. I know a couple who didn't like it and we're still friends
Wyzilla wrote: Normally I wouldn't have a problem with how greatly they twist Kyle's character, but I take offense at how they claim it's a true story, and make it anything but.
Fargo starts out with "This is a true story" but the whole thing is made up and a mix of fiction and a pastiche of other real crimes as the Coen's knew just saying that at the start would suck people in. If it was a documentary I would understand, but since I was old enough to watch movies I knew that anything narrative was pretty much fictionalized; anything that says it is 'based' on a true story is pretty much guaranteed to be changed up to be more dramatic. Yeah there was a guy named Chris Kyle and he was a sniper but beyond that I assume the rest was changed up to capture a mood ,or idea, as opposed to recreating reality.
There is a difference between something that is obviously a fictionalised story, and one that purports to be based on true events and uses real characters or events from history as the basis for a plot. It's for that reason people had a problem with U-571 for instance, because probably a hell of a lot of people now think that some submariners were responsible for breaking the enigma code, rather than the people working at Bletchley Park. On a lesser scale, while it's very well done 'Wolf Hall' does a similar thing with the events surrounding Henry VIII and Oliver Cromwell, where characters and events are twisted for the sake of narrative.
And while indeed people who are educated can read up about these things and no them to be true or false, there is a much greater number of people who don't know, and will be inclined to believe a story so that it becomes a common conception. As an extreme example, there was a suvey conducted some time ago that revealed a frightening percentage of people who thought that Conan was a true character from history, whereas Hitler was fictional(!) It's potentially that much worse in this kind of situation, as there are people who are alive and knew Chris Kyle, and will know that elements of the retelling are false.
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