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I get why they’ve gone for the Primaris-esque helmet, trying to represent the fact that Helmawr has them equipped with cutting edge Imperial technology, but I’m just not sure it works from an aesthetic point of view, muddles their silhouette.

I’ve got some scions beret heads that may have just found a new home.

 Jadenim wrote:
I get why they’ve gone for the Primaris-esque helmet, trying to represent the fact that Helmawr has them equipped with cutting edge Imperial technology, but I’m just not sure it works from an aesthetic point of view, muddles their silhouette.

I’ve got some scions beret heads that may have just found a new home.

That's probably a good choice. The helmets don't do it for me. The sniper pose is kind of meh. Dude is just giving some juve advice on how not to handle his boomstick "You don't bring your face to the firearm, raise the firearm to you". Or maybe anvil has some suitable heads.....

Yeah the helmets are a terrible decision for me... they could have done literally anything... why copy the very un-diverse and specific primaris helmet??

I really like the bodies etc, but those heads are a big no for me, just because of the cognitive dissonance they cause. If I were to get them it would be head-swaps across the board on the helmets.

On the other hand, those helmets would look pretty awesome on Space Marine scouts...



I like them overall. Since Primaris Space Marines are just a myth and don't really exist, the helmets are fine. I think my only gripe is the ratio of shotguns to bolters... would have been nice to have a couple fewer of the latter, and a couple more of the former.

Particularly since, given their track record so far, the inevitable Forge World weapons pack will likely be loaded with more bolters and precious little anything else.

Hopefully they are as expensive if not moreso than van saar. With all that armor, access to bolters on everyone, etc. Not to mention being fewer in number means the repetition of the poses won't be as much an issue. If you end up running like 15 of these guys then the sameyness will stand out much more than the other gangs. Makes sense the enforcers would be outnumbered by the local rabble anyhow.

Am I seriously the only person seeing shades of the old 40k Compendium Guardsman art in these Enforcers?


Between that and that Goodwin "Greatcoat" sketch that gets showcased all the time, I'm feeling like this is more of an "updated" redesign of that than it is "derp mini Primaris".

 Kanluwen wrote:
Am I seriously the only person seeing shades of the old 40k Compendium Guardsman art in these Enforcers?

Spoiler:

Between that and that Goodwin "Greatcoat" sketch that gets showcased all the time, I'm feeling like this is more of an "updated" redesign of that than it is "derp mini Primaris".

Thank you. The flare to the base of the helmet etc. have to be intentional nods. Literally the only part thats remotely comparable to primaris is the respirator grill style.

Plus the respirator grill style isn't unique to Primaris anyway!

It has appeared on the "dog nosed" MkIV helmet since at least the 3rd edition Space Marine plastics. MkX is clearly based on MkIV with the helmet. The FW Elysian drop troopers also have a very similar grill design, and honestly, I thought Elysian before I thought Primaris.

As both Marines and Elysians use that kind of design, it isn't weird to be a fairly widespread aesthetic.

Why does people call those helmets "Primaris helmets", when Primaris Helmets are Mark IV Helmets? I mean, I understand that people is trying to paint them as some kind of "too modern/primaris are ugly" argument, but... the helmet of a primaris marine is actually the most classical piece of the look of an intercessor.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Am I seriously the only person seeing shades of the old 40k Compendium Guardsman art in these Enforcers?

Spoiler:

Between that and that Goodwin "Greatcoat" sketch that gets showcased all the time, I'm feeling like this is more of an "updated" redesign of that than it is "derp mini Primaris".

I thought that helmet looked familiar, but I couldn't put my finger on it. It is very similar to the Goodwin Greatcoat Guard sketch. I always loved that one, and coincidentally I love these guys. I hope they get Kill Team rules or something, as I don't play Necromunda. I have considered picking it back up since there isn't 7 rulebooks anymore and what not.

If you want to run 'em for Kill Team?

Veterans with Shotguns!

 Galas wrote:
Why does people call those helmets "Primaris helmets", when Primaris Helmets are Mark IV Helmets? I mean, I understand that people is trying to paint them as some kind of "too modern/primaris are ugly" argument, but... the helmet of a primaris marine is actually the most classical piece of the look of an intercessor.

Primaris mk X helmets are not the same as mk IV. The mk IV had more of a snout.

 insaniak wrote:
Primaris mk X helmets are not the same as mk IV. The mk IV had more of a snout.

I would imagine that the Enforcer helmets don't need as large a respirator, hence no snout.

And from an in-universe point of view, wouldn't the Enforcer helmets predate the Mk X helmets, meaning the Mk X helmets actually look like the Enforcer helmets

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you want to run 'em for Kill Team?

Veterans with Shotguns!

That would be awesome, but their isn't a profile for veterans (or shotguns in the IG list even). IG are super limited to what they can take, as they are only allowed stuff currently in plastic. It makes this guy one .

I might try to use them as Scions and counts the bolters as Hellguns and the Shotguns as Volleyguns or something.

Kanluwen wrote:Am I seriously the only person seeing shades of the old 40k Compendium Guardsman art in these Enforcers?

Spoiler:

Between that and that Goodwin "Greatcoat" sketch that gets showcased all the time, I'm feeling like this is more of an "updated" redesign of that than it is "derp mini Primaris".

I don't see any resemblance, neither with the old Guard trooper nor the Goodwin sketch. At least not more as with Cadians or Scouts. And I actually like the models, just not the helmets - but that's easy to fix.

Galas wrote:Why does people call those helmets "Primaris helmets", when Primaris Helmets are Mark IV Helmets? I mean, I understand that people is trying to paint them as some kind of "too modern/primaris are ugly" argument, but... the helmet and are now the normof a primaris marine is actually the most classical piece of the look of an intercessor.

Because these helmets were an unusual sight in the past and are now the norm in a range of GWs bestselling models. And, well, the Intercessors look like normal Marines to me, just larger and with more detail.

Any pics of them next to existing gangs yet? Looking at then I just can stop thinking that they look up-scaled compared to the current gangs. I really don’t want primaris scaled models for necromunda.

 ah64pilot5 wrote:
Any pics of them next to existing gangs yet? Looking at then I just can stop thinking that they look up-scaled compared to the current gangs. I really don’t want primaris scaled models for necromunda.

Nothing about them has suggested they're bigger.

The look is slightly thrown by the bigger chestplates and the vambraces going past the elbow.
It's highlighted really well in this photo:

They have bigger armor, look at their neck, it tuck inside the armor, I doubt they're any bigger than the other.

They wouldn't want to make bigger models even if they want to, they have a tiny sprue to fit in 5 dude and weapons options. Primaris have the budget to make 5 dudes, barely any option, on 2 sprues.

Honestly it took someone pointing out their similarity to Out-of-Scale Marines for me to see the Primaris nature of the helmets. Honestly I don't mind them.

 insaniak wrote:
Particularly since, given their track record so far, the inevitable Forge World weapons pack will likely be loaded with more bolters and precious little anything else.

And hand flamers! Don't forget the hand flamers!

With the high-tech redesign of the Van Saar, the Enforcers pretty much had to end up looking high tech too. The Imperial Commander's muscle would have to be at least as well equipped.

Like many others, I feel the helmet is off, but that's an easy fix.

 Thargrim wrote:
Hopefully they are as expensive if not moreso than van saar. With all that armor, access to bolters on everyone, etc. Not to mention being fewer in number means the repetition of the poses won't be as much an issue. If you end up running like 15 of these guys then the sameyness will stand out much more than the other gangs. Makes sense the enforcers would be outnumbered by the local rabble anyhow.

Yeah, they could be a very strong gang.

I feel like 4+ starting saves and discounted shotguns are highly likely. And as you say, boltgun access is a great for a gang. If those get the house discount instead of shotguns it will be very nasty.

Helmets look awesome. Glad they are no longer so derivative of arbites.

I just park this here.

 Thargrim wrote:
Hopefully they are as expensive if not moreso than van saar. With all that armor, access to bolters on everyone, etc. Not to mention being fewer in number means the repetition of the poses won't be as much an issue. If you end up running like 15 of these guys then the sameyness will stand out much more than the other gangs. Makes sense the enforcers would be outnumbered by the local rabble anyhow.

IIRC, enforcers in old necromunda could only ever field five dudes in a battle to maintain fairness because of how stupidly well trained and equipped each one was.

Anyone had sprue picture?

 Coolyo294 wrote:
IIRC, enforcers in old necromunda could only ever field five dudes in a battle to maintain fairness because of how stupidly well trained and equipped each one was.

The equipment disparity is definitely less obvious now that every gang and their dog have access to an armoury that would make a Strormtrooper jealous, so I'm guessing the disparity will come from their stats and abilities.

I always found that the Initiative penalty from having Carapace Armour made Enforcers very hard to use. Hampering them further by limiting them to 5 members made that all the worse.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Aren't these guys supposed to be really well equipped and outfitted?

Makes sense then that they wouldn't look like trash people.

I don't think people want "trash people", just a bit more, I dunno grungy?

The problem I have with their look is the same as the issue I have with most of the modern gangs - they're geared up like they're the personal guard of the Big Important Person they're nominally ultimately loyal to. The regular gangs are so well equipped with all-unique gear they must be top-tier House Militia gangs, and I like the grubbier, scrappier feel of the classic game where the gangs are downhive thugs trying to make good. These Enforcers seem like the sort of thing you'd see patrolling The Spire or manning The Wall, but given the new fluff has these guys everywhere on the planet including keeping order in Underhive settlements it strains the brain a little to believe they're all super-elite highly-equipped tacticool bros, because we have to be talking about millions of troopers overall, and hundreds of thousands in Hive Primus alone.

I think a lot of it comes down to the paintjob, the chest-circle, and the helmet design. If the helmet were closer to the concept sketch(ie open-faced) or had a less sci-fi respirator, and the odd almost Tau-ish circle was gone or replaced with a molded-on version of the Helmawr crest, and the paintjob was a bit more "these guys have seen some gak", they wouldn't read as quite so "modern".

Regardless, they don't look like they'll be that hard to convert to look more like the concept art, with a bit of resculpting.

 Thargrim wrote:
Hopefully they are as expensive if not moreso than van saar. With all that armor, access to bolters on everyone, etc. Not to mention being fewer in number means the repetition of the poses won't be as much an issue. If you end up running like 15 of these guys then the sameyness will stand out much more than the other gangs. Makes sense the enforcers would be outnumbered by the local rabble anyhow.

If I remember right, they were always deliberately on the slightly broken side - especially early game - since they didn't have to spend money on their equipment, they couldn't get territory on the campaign map, etc. They were meant as a curveball for the GM to get involved in games and put some pressure on the best performing players, especially if they were stomping everybody.

It's interesting to see how wants for N17 have changed though. I remember almost nobody really played Enforcers, but with the remake I see more posts about "I'll maybe pick the game up when I can be Arbites/Enforcers" than anything else, although I guess that has a lot to do with 40k players want to stick to a vaguely military/well-equipped theme rather than dirty gangsters which is kind of ironic. Considering the Space Marine helmets on them I wouldn't be surprised if FW picked up on that, which is why we ended up with Not!PrimarisScout models.

I reckon too many people want to be that cool kid playing good cop bad cop.

But honestly I think people just want the model and don't even play the game.