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Sadly depsite the great story about the Tau reeling from the forces of Nurgle its looks to be the usual - "suddenly vital Imperial worlds are invaded by the Tau as GSC rise up....

Too much to hope for GSC Tau hybrids I guess.

I think this warzone setting has the chance to be interesting since the usual suspects aren't in the story. I also not suprised with the factions considering shadowun was fighting GSC in her reveal.

 Esmer wrote:
With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?

The Cicatrix Maledictum has reduced Imperial co-operation, enabled daemonic support in areas where it was previously extremely difficult and Mortarion had one of the more organised legions to take advantage of that.

Carnikang wrote:The only Cult mini we might see is a separate release for the Kelermorph. Can't get that box he came in anymore I don't think, barring your store having some left.

Pretty much, that box is long gone and it's a core unit with it's own sprue. It's kind of crazy it hasn't had a wider release already, so this might not be a bad time to push it out.

I guess it's also possible the long rumoured Start Collecting box might ship too, but again that would just be repacking.

 Esmer wrote:
With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?

Mortarion invaded Ultramar because he heard that Gulliman was back and he wanted to goad him into facing him. Killing one of his Brothers seems to be the one thing that can motivate him.
In general, DG plague fleets outside the first operate without Mortarion's direct order, mainly because he doesn't usually do anything but hang around on his plague planet.

Book 5 appears to be Imperial Guard, Tau and GSC:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/28/a-war-for-hearts-and-mindsgw-homepage-post-2/

So where did the DG rumours come from then? (genuine query).

 Ratius wrote:
So where did the DG rumours come from then? (genuine query).

The first PA5 story had Tau vs Death Guard.

Ah righto.

Shame, for me. The story featuring DG and Tau was excellent.

Furthermore, thematically I thought it was very clever. I thought the followers of Nurgle were all about spreading "joy" (pain) and "life" (disease) and they had convinced themselves that they were following a truth of the galaxy.

Ah well, at least it leaves more enemies for the following books.

Pinching the list from the page before we have;

Custodes
Deathwatch (vs Orks in next book?)
Sisters (?)
Harlequins
Necrons
Death Guard

Custodes vs Death Guard maybe (they're both big bois)?
Harlequins vs Deathwatch vs Necrons perhaps?

Really not sure whether Sisters are getting a separate release here.

Honestly i'm still wondering why did they even put it in. It has nothing to do witht he overall theme they are going for the book.

Well this leaves us with 5 armies without a book (i consider the sisters codex to be a part of f&f)
deathwatch
custodes
death guard
necrons
harlequins

wild guesses:
deathwatch and custodes vs necrons
death guard vs harlequins

 Esmer wrote:
With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?

Altough I guess it makes sense with Typhus who has always been a workaholic.

Spoiler:

Is it just me or do these new artworks of Shadowsun kinda look as if she had another guy in the exact same stealth suit standing right behind her?

Good Lord that artwork is atrocious. It looks like she is wearing one of those inflatable sumo costumes.

zamerion wrote:
At this point, we can discard new miniatures for cult or star, right?

Just gimme that helen kelermorph, my GSC have plenty of characters at this point.

It's curious that the new artwork has Vostroyans, which aren't in production any more. I thought that GW 40k artwork generally only had in-production models these days. Probably too much to hope for plastic Vostroyans though!

The fluff has the maledictum seriously messing with the flow of time, but that rarely makes it into stories. I would be really interested if the DG story becomes some element of that.

 DominayTrix wrote:

 Esmer wrote:
With Death Guard, I would have wondered what exactly caused Mortarion to be so proactive all of a sudden. He invades real space and establishes his mini empire in the Scourge Stars, shortly after he invades Ultramar and now he invades Tau Space too?

Altough I guess it makes sense with Typhus who has always been a workaholic.

Spoiler:

Is it just me or do these new artworks of Shadowsun kinda look as if she had another guy in the exact same stealth suit standing right behind her?

Good Lord that artwork is atrocious. It looks like she is wearing one of those inflatable sumo costumes.

I think the problem is the new model......

the_scotsman wrote:

zamerion wrote:
At this point, we can discard new miniatures for cult or star, right?

Just gimme that helen kelermorph, my GSC have plenty of characters at this point.

i want new units as mech (genestealer cowboys)

Now seriously, I still want a couple of units like the ones in the video


some bigger aberrants half carnifex.

and some poor hybrids, with rags instead of mining suits (perfect for pauper princeps)



the only character I accept would be a fat patriarch..

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/28/a-war-for-hearts-and-mindsgw-homepage-post-2/

Last faction confirmed as Imperial Guard.

Edit: Let's revise the list!

PA5 = IG / GSC / Tau
PA6 = Orks / Space Wolves (not confirmed)
PA7 = AdMech / Imperial Knights / Daemons / Chaos Knights

That leaves:

Custodes
Deathwatch
Sisters
Harlequins
Necrons
Death Guard

I thought Harlequins were in PA1 as the Phoenix Rising books are in their subsection of the site. I honestly thought they just got F all and GW was done with them because they technically have Ynnari rules in it.

strigops wrote:
Honestly i'm still wondering why did they even put it in. It has nothing to do witht he overall theme they are going for the book.

For the same reason Guard were used as part of the stories for Phoenix Rising, Blood of Baal, and Faith and Fury.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

I just find it odd you think a faction will get less from PA because it "feels" like a smaller faction.

Then you misunderstand. I'm not talking about 'feelings' or 'definitions of smaller'
Its simply easier to do supplementary material (relics, strats etc, the 'content' PA is consistently churning out) for a tiny faction like knights than it is for guard. It factually takes up less space. Thats all that means.

So I'm talking about the simple fact that knights ARE a small faction, and in the relevant PA book they are NOT getting new models. The pointless, endless debates on what various factions 'should get' or 'deserve' or whatever are completely pointless. All that matters is whats coming out with the book and we've known ahead of time what that is, in every single case.

What people have made up for felt like various factions should get for the last book, the current book, or the next book have just been wasted text, because we were told 'a character model' months ago. And lo, that's all that's come, barring bonus wargear in the form of a banner waver for Ghaz. For Engines of Destruction, we are getting Ad Mech units, and NOT getting knights, daemons or anything else.

 Esmer wrote:

Is it just me or do these new artworks of Shadowsun kinda look as if she had another guy in the exact same stealth suit standing right behind her?

To me, it looks like that suit has 4 arms. Maybe I'm crazy though.

zamerion wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

zamerion wrote:
At this point, we can discard new miniatures for cult or star, right?

Just gimme that helen kelermorph, my GSC have plenty of characters at this point.

i want new units as mech (genestealer cowboys)

Now seriously, I still want a couple of units like the ones in the video


some bigger aberrants half carnifex.

and some poor hybrids, with rags instead of mining suits (perfect for pauper princeps)


the only character I accept would be a fat patriarch..

I really like those unit ideas! Especially a mutant carnifex hybrid.

Hopefully the tau get more love other than Shadowsun too.

OrkPlayer137 wrote:
It's curious that the new artwork has Vostroyans, which aren't in production any more. I thought that GW 40k artwork generally only had in-production models these days. Probably too much to hope for plastic Vostroyans though!

I think that is artwork from back around Planetstrike in 5th/6th

 Elevenses wrote:

zamerion wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

zamerion wrote:
At this point, we can discard new miniatures for cult or star, right?

Just gimme that helen kelermorph, my GSC have plenty of characters at this point.

i want new units as mech (genestealer cowboys)

Now seriously, I still want a couple of units like the ones in the video


some bigger aberrants half carnifex.

and some poor hybrids, with rags instead of mining suits (perfect for pauper princeps)


the only character I accept would be a fat patriarch..

I really like those unit ideas! Especially a mutant carnifex hybrid.

Hopefully the tau get more love other than Shadowsun too.

I actually hope for "proper" GSC heavy weapon teams. I had even converted heavy bolter team!

Oh, and alternative cultists sounds great too.

New genestealer kit with different options to create more specialty 'stealers for both cults and tyranids. Like the heavy armor option but go further.

Voss wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

I just find it odd you think a faction will get less from PA because it "feels" like a smaller faction.

Then you misunderstand. I'm not talking about 'feelings' or 'definitions of smaller'
Its simply easier to do supplementary material (relics, strats etc, the 'content' PA is consistently churning out) for a tiny faction like knights than it is for guard. It factually takes up less space. Thats all that means.

So I'm talking about the simple fact that knights ARE a small faction, and in the relevant PA book they are NOT getting new models. The pointless, endless debates on what various factions 'should get' or 'deserve' or whatever are completely pointless. All that matters is whats coming out with the book and we've known ahead of time what that is, in every single case.

What people have made up for felt like various factions should get for the last book, the current book, or the next book have just been wasted text, because we were told 'a character model' months ago. And lo, that's all that's come, barring bonus wargear in the form of a banner waver for Ghaz. For Engines of Destruction, we are getting Ad Mech units, and NOT getting knights, daemons or anything else.

I think that a tiny faction like Knights can have exactly the same amount of material in PA as Guard or any other faction. I don't think it necessarily takes up less space (but it is likely to, for sure).

I wouldn't be surprised if the Ork release had more than just Ghaz and Makari - the precedent is already broken with Ad Mech and we've unsolved rumour engine images. I'm not expecting anything though.

I think that in the greater good the only model released will be shadowsun and in saga of the beast only what we’ve seen, mechanicus is an excepcion and has been announced early on.

If orks get anything besides ghazkull and maybe a kff mek, it better have options. Giving the most ramshackle and conversion heavy faction in the game a bunch of vehicles with less customizability than necron vehicles was a joke.

I am hoping that we will get more units updated like the first pa book. A lot of the factions left have 3 or 4 units that could use a new plastic kit. Guard has the basilisk and ratlings, tau have sniper drones and vespid, orks have kommandoes, tankbustas and deffkoptas.

Daemons actually have everything minus a couple of nurgle and tzeentch special characters in plastic. Thanks to warcry even furies have plastic models.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

OrkPlayer137 wrote:
It's curious that the new artwork has Vostroyans, which aren't in production any more. I thought that GW 40k artwork generally only had in-production models these days. Probably too much to hope for plastic Vostroyans though!

I think that is artwork from back around Planetstrike in 5th/6th

Oh, I see. Thanks! I was out of the hobby at that time, so would have missed it.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If orks get anything besides ghazkull and maybe a kff mek, it better have options. Giving the most ramshackle and conversion heavy faction in the game a bunch of vehicles with less customizability than necron vehicles was a joke.

I am hoping that we will get more units updated like the first pa book. A lot of the factions left have 3 or 4 units that could use a new plastic kit. Guard has the basilisk and ratlings, tau have sniper drones and vespid, orks have kommandoes, tankbustas and deffkoptas.

Daemons actually have everything minus a couple of nurgle and tzeentch special characters in plastic. Thanks to warcry even furies have plastic models.

Slaanesh herald (finecrap) begs to differ...


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Kommandos and Tankbustas would be far more useful than new Gaz.
Kommandos figures are nice but again, finecrap and Tankbustas... Well may we just forget these?

mortar_crew wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If orks get anything besides ghazkull and maybe a kff mek, it better have options. Giving the most ramshackle and conversion heavy faction in the game a bunch of vehicles with less customizability than necron vehicles was a joke.

I am hoping that we will get more units updated like the first pa book. A lot of the factions left have 3 or 4 units that could use a new plastic kit. Guard has the basilisk and ratlings, tau have sniper drones and vespid, orks have kommandoes, tankbustas and deffkoptas.

Daemons actually have everything minus a couple of nurgle and tzeentch special characters in plastic. Thanks to warcry even furies have plastic models.

Slaanesh herald (finecrap) begs to differ...

A SINGLE HQ in finecast makes Deamons more updated then any other army thats been around sinece prior to 6th edition