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 Mr_Rose wrote:
I see everyone in here talking about her “falling to chaos” or something and I’m like “have you never owned a cat?”
Seriously, she’s just trying to teach Sigmar how to do this whole hunting thing properly


Gotta model her with a basketball now.
   
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Can You Roll a Crit? Has a review of Dominion, and photos of the war scroll cards.

https://canyourollacrit.com/2021/06/14/age-of-simar-dominion/

It's..... more of the same.
   
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So points increase, I dont remember average armies being that many minis? Maybe it was me used to WFB armies.

Im ok with that if it doesn't mean less minis in a boxset for the same price or more... or hero hammer fights against single god miniatures.

   
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Cheaper entry into the game.... the game where almost every army has a $150+ Centerpiece / Warlord model....




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tneva82 wrote:
 Knight wrote:
My lumineth are nervous. I'm expecting them to get bigger than average increases so wonder how many units I need to strip down


Apart from Sentinels, I'm not really feeling any particular need for point increases. I'd expect monsters and heroes will be the ones that are on the receiving end of point adjustments, even here I'd be cautious because some heroes are simply not a very attractive pick.


Except looks it's game wide rescaling points much like 40k 9e did.

It's not just balance. It's reducing army sizes. Maybe to make entry to hobby less expensive. And fastens game.

Assuming leak true(stream preview of ghb starts in 5 mins) whole dok got 10-60 pts hike per unit and orks average 17% drop by the looks of it.

40k had this in 9e. Not that unexpected. That's why also "lumineth is new army. No tournament data to support balance changes" runs short. It's not just balance. It's literally shrinking game size.

And it's not like it's BAD idea if done right. It can be done to do following:

A) cheaper to get army. New blood easier to attract, old players might want to start new armies if start doesn't cost 600 bucks
B) faster games. Less models, faster end
C) more room to separate units. If units keeps getting cheaper and cheaper soon it's hard to separate costs. Elites too close to cheap units but if you drop cheap units costs you get to ridiculous values. Changes in point costs also more impactful at the bottom. 60 for 20 to 80 in 20, 1pts change per model, lot biggei than 150 for 20 to 170 in 20.


40k of course rapidly walked it back.

Upping points costs aren't, actually, much about new players or balance. It's about resetting the points creep that sets in every edition. Points overall drop pretty noticeably throughout an edition, and if you don't zero those out (and the zeroing is probably going to be as clumsy as it was in 40k), the game spirals a bit out of control.
   
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We'll see how they'll 'adjust' points in GHB 2022.
   
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 TalonZahn wrote:
Cheaper entry into the game.... the game where almost every army has a $150+ Centerpiece / Warlord model....



Which are not mandatory for everyone.

I can't remember the last time I readed a competitive BR with Archie or Alarielle.
   
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 CMLR wrote:
 TalonZahn wrote:
Cheaper entry into the game.... the game where almost every army has a $150+ Centerpiece / Warlord model....



Which are not mandatory for everyone.

I can't remember the last time I readed a competitive BR with Archie or Alarielle.


Since Competitive people are also FOTM and just from army to army, this wouldn't really apply to them, and they're already dropping mad cash chasing that FOTM

It's the people playing at home that want the big shiny for their army.



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Facehammers GHB reveal vid points start at 49 minutes in - Order, Destruction, Chaos then Death




Slaanesh take another beating
LRL got off fairly lightly.
The Orruk points posted earlier are incorrect. Kruleboyz (Dominion only) in the Warclans list.
SoB tweeked points wise but still make the same loadouts more or less. Megas are now battleline so a 4 Mega list is valid (although Gatebreakers are now over 500 pts.)
Ardboyz in 5s
Ogor Gluttons now 6s and Leadbelchers 4s
Chaos Warriors in 10s
Kragnos drops to 695 already
Radukar the Wolf split out from the court otherwise SBGL are the same as the new battletome.
Not sure what I'm going to do with 140 Chainrasps now! - at least I didn't get around to painting them yet

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Sentinels(wtf) and slaanesh biggest wtf's for me.

What sentinel fetish gw has? Let's make shooting even more powerful. Then give sentinels, already good unit, tiny under average point hike and melee options bigger. Wardens got 3x hike to sentinels...

Real hard to avoid spamming sentinels even more. 90 sentinels doable.

Slaanesh got hit and hit hard.

Ko barely touched, seraphon got more hits but not too bad and they have good ways to screw shooting enemy units.

Khorne been touched light.

Ogors some units got hit real hard. 30% hike for 12 gluttons despite rule nerfs to unit. 12 gluttons deader than dead. Unsurprisingly monsters and cavalry good

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tneva82 wrote:
Sentinels(wtf) and slaanesh biggest wtf's for me.

What sentinel fetish gw has? Let's make shooting even more powerful. Then give sentinels, already good unit, tiny under average point hike and melee options bigger. Wardens got 3x hike to sentinels...

Real hard to avoid spamming sentinels even more. 90 sentinels doable.

Slaanesh got hit and hit hard.

Ko barely touched, seraphon got more hits but not too bad and they have good ways to screw shooting enemy units.

Khorne been touched light.

Ogors some units got hit real hard. 30% hike for 12 gluttons despite rule nerfs to unit. 12 gluttons deader than dead. Unsurprisingly monsters and cavalry good


KO were touched plenty. They aren't bad, but, like, riggers went up 20, and they were one of the most ubiquitous units in the army. KO got roughly average points increases.
   
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Fair enough. Guess missed notable increases. Not super familiar with ko.

Lumineth got grand strategy that like almost will take. Almost "don't table me, i get 3vp" style.

Gloomspite stabas got hit hard. Bounders below average hike, good, but coherency and loss of bat bad. Squig herds might become very popular. Might have to buy 4 more for 72

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Ooof, there go my two units of 9 gluttons. And point cost on the joke unit that Ironblaster is...
   
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I dunno why anybody's really suprised that GW dialed in the points costs for a new edition of one of their flagship games, this exact same thing happened one year ago the last time they did this.

It's going to be a very, very rough couple months competitively.
   
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Was anyone expressing surprise? I think people are mainly surprised when a points update fixes more issues than it fails to.

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I'm somewhat surprised on GW increasing points on Slaanesh after just increasing points on Slaanesh.

Of course if we all start playing 3K games this balances things out, so in some way it IS on us to decide if we want to stick to 2K points or not. It's not as if 2K is some magical number.

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TBF, some units in an army sucking due to their point cost does not cancel out some units being overpowered thanks to their point cost, and Slaanesh didn't see much in the way of point increases--rather many of the new kits came in at ridiculously over.

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So my 12 gluttons are fine but what I'm gonna do with 6 leadbelchers

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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 Galas wrote:
So my 12 gluttons are fine but what I'm gonna do with 6 leadbelchers
Get two more? Shouldn’t be too hard as I’m sure there are still some Ogor halves out there from the ossiarch box.

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 TalonZahn wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
 TalonZahn wrote:
Cheaper entry into the game.... the game where almost every army has a $150+ Centerpiece / Warlord model....



Which are not mandatory for everyone.

I can't remember the last time I readed a competitive BR with Archie or Alarielle.


Since Competitive people are also FOTM and just from army to army, this wouldn't really apply to them, and they're already dropping mad cash chasing that FOTM

It's the people playing at home that want the big shiny for their army.


You're describing the top 1% of tournament players. The vast majority of even competitive players are 1 or 2 factions.


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 Overread wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised on GW increasing points on Slaanesh after just increasing points on Slaanesh.

Of course if we all start playing 3K games this balances things out, so in some way it IS on us to decide if we want to stick to 2K points or not. It's not as if 2K is some magical number.


No one wants to play 3k routinely. The last thing anyone wants to do is spend 4 hours on one game and the last thing any TO wants is to make 4 hour rounds. The point increases are between 10-20% on average, why on earth would you want to go to 3k?

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There's often a weird kneejerk to point increases, Where someone (who is never GW, who largely stick to around 1500) proposes the absolutely necessity of going to a new plateau (along with simultaneously complaining about how they _have_ to buy more).

Usually it gets ignored, but sometimes we get periods were things like 2250 games become common for a while before people come to their senses.

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Mass point increases was inevitable and I’m all for it.

I’m also a Lumineth player, and such a small increase on Sentinals baffles me even with current point costs. In an edition where shooting is even better no less.

I’m not entirely sure how these points came about, there’s some really weird and seemingly quite random changes going on, compared to just a blanket raise.
   
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 Tiberius501 wrote:
Mass point increases was inevitable and I’m all for it.

I’m also a Lumineth player, and such a small increase on Sentinals baffles me even with current point costs. In an edition where shooting is even better no less.

I’m not entirely sure how these points came about, there’s some really weird and seemingly quite random changes going on, compared to just a blanket raise.


Daughters of Khaine had a mediocre special character MORE THAN DOUBLE her points cost for no fathomable reason. Blood Sisters went less than Witch Aelves despite Witch Aelves being a shelf decoration since the new battletome came out.

They clearly had a handful of units per army they tried to rebalance with a handful of specific targeted points changes alongside the more general hikes, but those end up being even more nonsensical than just a flat 15% raise.

3rd edition is more different from second than second was from first but it's not like it's 7th-8th 40k. It still roughly the same core functionality. Which makes some of these changes seem like they have their own separate 4th edition AoS using like...Warmachine rules they're basing these adjustments off of.

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Looks like the rumours of GW killing Slaanesh were true, they just did it indirectly rather than outright squat'ing them.
   
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That's pretty normal for GW, unfortunately. Points are an absolute crap show, always have been. I could (and have) done better myself, and I am far from the only one.

Real shame the new PtG is chained to them as well.


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 Arbitrator wrote:
Looks like the rumours of GW killing Slaanesh were true, they just did it indirectly rather than outright squat'ing them.
Can't have them taking Tzeentch's spot...

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GW really doesn't understand its own games on a competitive level, that's why their points are always totally off on the release of a new edition. They need the players to figure out the right points values for them.
   
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Wow. 30 Pink Horrors is possible.

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 TalonZahn wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
 TalonZahn wrote:
Cheaper entry into the game.... the game where almost every army has a $150+ Centerpiece / Warlord model....



Which are not mandatory for everyone.

I can't remember the last time I readed a competitive BR with Archie or Alarielle.


Since Competitive people are also FOTM and just from army to army, this wouldn't really apply to them, and they're already dropping mad cash chasing that FOTM

It's the people playing at home that want the big shiny for their army.


Your point is that people need a huge centerpieces to play their armies, which except for Lumies, behemoth armies and not sure who, is not really true, and behemoths have to do with behemoth battlelines, both in free, points and competitive play; only if narrative battleplans say that you must play with Nagash or someone like that, so yet again, you are not forced to go with a model too good to not include which happens to be a huge centerpiece..

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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Wow. 30 Pink Horrors is possible.
150 wounds in one unit baby!

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 Tiberius501 wrote:
Mass point increases was inevitable and I’m all for it.

I’m also a Lumineth player, and such a small increase on Sentinals baffles me even with current point costs. In an edition where shooting is even better no less.

I’m not entirely sure how these points came about, there’s some really weird and seemingly quite random changes going on, compared to just a blanket raise.


Yea in a way similar to 40k 9e that had weirdo increases.

Sentinels is weird indeed. If i were evil i would go and get at least 3 boxes more. Gw is trying real hard to get players spam them for some reason.

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