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 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I hope these work...


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Yup, thought so. Just dumping the pseudoPrimaris masks and using a more muted colourscheme is already a big improvement. Ugh, converting that many heads is going to be a huge pain in the arse.

EDIT: And at least speaking for myself, the reason the pseudoPrimaris masks are annoying is I thought Necromunda was still set in 40K, and we'd be allowed to avoid all the Cawly Sue/Imperium Totes Still Grimdarkicus Honest stuff.

It’s 3 slits in the bottom of a helmet (which are also present on mkiv armour). They hardly tie Necromunda into 40k anymore than it was already.

I recon they would make great primaris scouts

The Puppetswar judge dredd heads look phenomenal... with one exception - the lack of female oprions. If anyone has experience modding the mods, how tricky would it be to replace the unmasked part of the face with a female counterpart...?

They're not as crazy ornamental as Arbites, nor do they scream "grimdark law enforcement"*. Maybe with way more batons, riot shields, stun prods, electrified mancatchers and flame, er, water throwers. And the poses are mostly boring. I like them more as naval armsmen or something like that, not as enforcers.

*Khorne Bloodbound models have wayyy more manacles than those guys...

That’s what is annoying me about them. I haven’t been able to put my finger on it. They look to military and not police enough. They look like they are a hit squad. They should have more of a look of breaching habs and dragged out dangerous scum. Riot shields, helmets with visors and clubs, along with shot guns. Perhaps some stun weapons and the like. They should look more like PSU officers IMO. I feel they have a more American sci-fi “far future” ascetic than a British grimy reality one.

 ImAGeek wrote:

It’s 3 slits in the bottom of a helmet (which are also present on mkiv armour). They hardly tie Necromunda into 40k anymore than it was already.

Come now. Really?

Doubt there are any space on the sprue for a shield, the team manage to convince GW to give them a separated clear sprue for Van Saar shield.

 Binabik15 wrote:
....I like them more as naval armsmen or something like that, not as enforcers....

Yeah, now you say that, that's actually exactly what they look like.

Toulon Hess wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

It’s 3 slits in the bottom of a helmet (which are also present on mkiv armour). They hardly tie Necromunda into 40k anymore than it was already.

Come now. Really?

I’m not saying they don’t look alike. I just don’t get how a helmet design, that also shares similarities with a much older helmet design, really ties Necromunda into a time any more than it was anyway. It’s not like the helmet design is rooted in a specific time, seeing as it was designed just after the Heresy, very similar to a design from the Heresy.

You seem to be conflating lore justifications with design aesthetics. It's eerily similar to the recent MkX, and looks nothing like previous Enforcer / Arbites designs, so I'm not sure that holds up anyway. Look, I'm not actually slagging it off or attacking anybody, I'm just pointing out that it's an *incredibly* similar design, and to me that smacks an (arguably lazy and unimaginative) attempt to move the range further and further into the nu-aestheitc of 40k main and that it sticks out.



Edit: Multiple typos

Toulon Hess wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
....I like them more as naval armsmen or something like that, not as enforcers....

Yeah, now you say that, that's actually exactly what they look like.

Its what I would use them as, personally. Shipboard marines.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Toulon Hess wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
....I like them more as naval armsmen or something like that, not as enforcers....

Yeah, now you say that, that's actually exactly what they look like.

Its what I would use them as, personally. Shipboard marines.

It is exactly what I am going to use them as, I've been trying to build Armsmen for ages!

 Steve steveson wrote:
They look to military and not police enough.

So, like police in USA?



I don't know what you expected, EU style police armed with citation books?

 Steve steveson wrote:
They look like they are a hit squad.

Yep. That sounds like the kind of thing a super-corrupt Great House would use to snuff out troublesome elements of their society under the guise of 'keeping the peace'.

Because EU police are so much more frail...

 Steve steveson wrote:
That’s what is annoying me about them. I haven’t been able to put my finger on it. They look to military and not police enough. They look like they are a hit squad. They should have more of a look of breaching habs and dragged out dangerous scum. Riot shields, helmets with visors and clubs, along with shot guns. Perhaps some stun weapons and the like. They should look more like PSU officers IMO. I feel they have a more American sci-fi “far future” ascetic than a British grimy reality one.

I think a hit squad is probably exactly what they are, if you annoy lord helmaw enough for him to send is personal guard after you the chance for debate, talking or bribes is already over. All they're going to be concerned about is taking out the trouble makers as fast as possible (and leaving enough of the body to identify to prove that they've done the job)

I like their look and also like that redhead swapout! Will be looking at head variations.

Already have a plan so I know I will be getting into Necromunda: Enforcers.
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 MajorTom11 wrote:
Yeah the helmets are a terrible decision for me... they could have done literally anything... why copy the very un-diverse and specific primaris helmet??

I really like the bodies etc, but those heads are a big no for me, just because of the cognitive dissonance they cause. If I were to get them it would be head-swaps across the board on the helmets.

Yeah, it´s a dumb move but GW did something similar in the past. The sigmarines are for instance just BA sanguinary guard who happened to lose their pistols.

 Strg Alt wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Yeah the helmets are a terrible decision for me... they could have done literally anything... why copy the very un-diverse and specific primaris helmet??

I really like the bodies etc, but those heads are a big no for me, just because of the cognitive dissonance they cause. If I were to get them it would be head-swaps across the board on the helmets.

Yeah, it´s a dumb move but GW did something similar in the past. The sigmarines are for instance just BA sanguinary guard who happened to lose their pistols.

And yet, Stormcast Eternals are popular, so apparently not such a dumb move.

I like the helmets. They are similar enough to Primaris helmets that it shows an imperial signature, but different enough to show that they are not standard issue military items, which fit the enforcer role nicely.

I think the color choice is definitely not the greatest, but a better paint job than I could do.

If I did make a unit of allied imperial guardsmen to go with a Primaris army I think these would fit in great.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
That’s what is annoying me about them. I haven’t been able to put my finger on it. They look to military and not police enough. They look like they are a hit squad. They should have more of a look of breaching habs and dragged out dangerous scum. Riot shields, helmets with visors and clubs, along with shot guns. Perhaps some stun weapons and the like. They should look more like PSU officers IMO. I feel they have a more American sci-fi “far future” ascetic than a British grimy reality one.

I think a hit squad is probably exactly what they are, if you annoy lord helmaw enough for him to send is personal guard after you the chance for debate, talking or bribes is already over. All they're going to be concerned about is taking out the trouble makers as fast as possible (and leaving enough of the body to identify to prove that they've done the job)

If they are supposed to be the force of law and order, no matter how facist, I would prefer an aesthetic that speaks or quelling riots and breaching the strongholds of people who get too big, rather than shooting rivals dead in the night. Why leave a body with hints that your enforcers will kill them when you could drag them out, put them on”trial” and string them up as a warning. I would have thought that underhive riots would be a far bigger problem, and if a single person or small group from the underhive is problematic enough to come to the planetary governors attention then he would have far better tools. It just feels like GW have the same understanding of law enforcement as they do of the military.

 Theophony wrote:
I like the helmets. They are similar enough to Primaris helmets that it shows an imperial signature, but different enough to show that they are not standard issue military items, which fit the enforcer role nicely.

I think the color choice is definitely not the greatest, but a better paint job than I could do.

If I did make a unit of allied imperial guardsmen to go with a Primaris army I think these would fit in great.

I feel that without an official color for House Helmawr, a 'royal' color like yellow (gold) or purple is the best choice for the Enforcers.

 Steve steveson wrote:

If they are supposed to be the force of law and order, no matter how facist, I would prefer an aesthetic that speaks or quelling riots and breaching the strongholds of people who get too big, rather than shooting rivals dead in the night. Why leave a body with hints that your enforcers will kill them when you could drag them out, put them on”trial” and string them up as a warning. I would have thought that underhive riots would be a far bigger problem, and if a single person or small group from the underhive is problematic enough to come to the planetary governors attention then he would have far better tools. It just feels like GW have the same understanding of law enforcement as they do of the military.

"Riots in the underhive" is the gangs war, the gangs took care of it. Not very converning imo. If through some miracle the underhive gangs unite together, or a Genestealer Patriarch appear and try to climb into the upper hive, then yes that'd be the riot that will involve also the Imperial House, and he Arbites.

The underhive however, is a known place for criminals from the upper hive to hide, that's when the enforcer had to come in, they work alongside with Delaque intel network to find their target. Of course there're Bounty Hunter/Venators gang but those are usually the plan B and are unreliable. Even in the trailer they showed the Enforcer go hunting for criminal.

 Binabik15 wrote:
They're not as crazy ornamental as Arbites, nor do they scream "grimdark law enforcement"*. Maybe with way more batons, riot shields, stun prods, electrified mancatchers and flame, er, water throwers. And the poses are mostly boring. I like them more as naval armsmen or something like that, not as enforcers.

*Khorne Bloodbound models have wayyy more manacles than those guys...

This is the problem i have as well. They just don't feel like they give off the right sort of feel, they could be Primaris Scouts or Tempestus Scions or something like Navy troopers and wouldn't look out of place in other more futuristic sci-fi miniature games or video games like Gears of War. There's no real sense of them being a combination of brutal dystopian law-enforcers, Helmawr's personal army, Hive guards etc and all the other roles Enforcers have, they just look like "generic sci-fi soldiers"...which isn't what they're meant to be. There's just not enough of a harsh, imposing. unforgiving grimdark law-enforcement feel with the design they went for to feel like they represent what Enforcers are meant to be.

Im also a fan 9f the idea of giving them Scion heads with berets.

If I ever get round to Necromunda, they wouldn’t be something I’d be opposed to getting, heads are fine really - though for uniqueness rather than hatred I’d remove the helmets for some interesting heads..

I personally love these guys and don't understand the hate. I will agree that they don't really look like space police, but they really aren't police as far as I'm concerned. I don't imagine these guys get sent down to break up skirmishes in the Underhive unless they directly interfere with hive leadership's interests. These guys in my mind would only be utilized by Helmawr and his regional leaders/officers to stop gang fights that are doing things like disturbing the economy/trade/other vital functions of the hive and to take out criminals that are a threat to those functions or the people in control of them.

I don't see them handing out parking violations and getting called in for drunken disorderly calls. These guys get sent down to put down riots and or take out problematic gangs. I don't think they really need things like shock batons and suppressive gear, they aren't meant to take prisoners. They are really just a well equipped private mercenary army doing Helmawr's bidding rather than law officers.

At least that's how I have always differentiated enforcers and arbites in what their chief function is.

I don't see them as Space Police as much as a rich families' personal SWAT team/special ops wetworks force.

Arbites are Space Police.

I thought arbites/enforcers only go after the big crimes. Keep a status quo so people don't rebel nor descend into lawlessness.

So why hide what they are? A militarized police force who only pays attention it's gained the wrong attention.

Yeah, they are not flashy, but history has shown those kinds of forces don't do too well.

Well, for one thing, phrasing it as "Arbites/Enforcers" basically misses the point. Arbites =/= Enforcers. One protects Imperial Law, and would never descend into the Underhive unless there was a very serious reason. Enforcers enforce the local law of the Great Houses/whomever is paying them the most.

 Sabotage! wrote:
I personally love these guys and don't understand the hate.

Because people don't like how they look, which is apparently legitimate criticism of the Enforcers but I get told to shut up when I say that I don't like the new "Delaques".

So who knows...